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03-11-2019, 01:20 PM | #3001 |
Papi Chulo
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03-11-2019, 01:21 PM | #3002 |
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Recall the CO extra EV tax credit with the possibility (albeit getting slimmer due to the price cuts) of breaking even/making money with these transactions. It's all a game to me. |
03-11-2019, 01:23 PM | #3003 | |
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While I'd love a Bollinger B1 or a Rivian, past experiences following companies like Aptera have taught me to ignore companies until they actually have a product on sale to the general public. |
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03-11-2019, 01:50 PM | #3004 |
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CarMax appraisal scheduled Wednesday morning. (Recall that I did buy our RAV4 EV through them--I don't exclusively waste their time.)
Online Tesla trade-in quote request submitted. If the sales adviser during my Model S test drive was correct this will come in as a super lowball quote. Nothing came back instantly. |
03-11-2019, 01:53 PM | #3005 | |
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The press is also fairly positive on them so far. I would not be surprised for them to be the #2 in EVs in NA. |
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03-11-2019, 02:00 PM | #3006 |
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Never mind
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03-11-2019, 02:14 PM | #3007 |
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Meh.
The van ultimately cost me a lesser value than depreciation alone, if I recall my calculations correctly. I still call that a win. The Volvo, yes, I took a bath. That was a conscious decision, to be done with that car and that company for good. I'm still ok with my decision there, too. |
03-11-2019, 05:39 PM | #3008 | |
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"We can make it look like anything, this is so freeing lets get to work. " (work is done, designs are produced, focus groups consulted) "And here it is, an electric Expedition with family truckster headlights!" |
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03-11-2019, 05:42 PM | #3009 | |
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03-11-2019, 06:15 PM | #3010 |
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I think the Rivian looks great. Square is space efficient.
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03-11-2019, 06:53 PM | #3011 |
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One would assume electric cars would greatly benefit from some sort of aerodynamic features. That B1 is a cinder block on wheels.
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03-11-2019, 06:53 PM | #3012 | |
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03-11-2019, 07:10 PM | #3013 | |
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But as El Wray noted earlier the chances of series production of the B1 are very slim anyway. |
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03-11-2019, 09:05 PM | #3014 |
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03-11-2019, 10:24 PM | #3015 | ||
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Tesla indeed didn't come up with an online quote. Too new for that. I called the local Tesla Store, which apparently still has its lights on and people to answer the phone. Dude said he'd get a formal quote to me tomorrow. (Tesla's internal quote will be a total lowball affair, I am predicting. CarMax will be the true test of whether KBB predicted values have any bearing on reality in this particular setting.) He also said that their discounts on demo Model 3s is very low, on the order of $1/mile or the like, much lower than on demo Model Ss. So there goes that half-baked idea. |
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03-11-2019, 10:45 PM | #3016 | ||
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Trade price vs depreciation per month assuming a mid-March trade (2.5 months) including the use tax implications: 48000 -- (491) 48500 -- (275) 49000 -- (59) 49136 break even point 49500 -- 157 of profit per month 50000 -- 373 I'm going to lay it out here (to keep me honest, if nothing else) that the minimum I would accept would be $48.5k on trade, which would result in me having paid $275/month for the 2.5 months of usage from the end of December through mid-March. (Again this is inclusive of tax. Doesn't include finance charges but those wouldn't be much different.) As with the minivan I figure even $275/mo is lower than the natural long-term rate of depreciation on a vehicle of that expense so I would call that a win. Anything higher yet (or absolute profit) would be pure gravy. |
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03-11-2019, 11:27 PM | #3017 | |
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03-11-2019, 11:42 PM | #3018 | |
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It would hardly be the end of the world if you're right and neither Tesla nor CarMax hit my number. Back to your earlier, self-elided post: I appreciate your concern that I'm stuck on the hedonic treadmill and am engaging in self-delusion in order to rationalize purchases along the way. (Fair summarization?) I just don't think it's a concern for me. I'm not trying to keep up with the Joneses. I don't have grandiose plans to upgrade my house here. I derive satisfaction from much that is not material: my family, performing music at a high level, being appreciated by my peers at work. It's just that I also like cars, and this is one of the few aspects of my life where I actually have any freedom of choice, for better or worse. |
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03-11-2019, 11:47 PM | #3019 |
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If I am reading that correctly, I would be shocked if you are offered within $900 of what you paid new.
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03-11-2019, 11:59 PM | #3020 | |
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I'm counting that the national market-derived resale that CarMax will hopefully offer reflects less than $5k depreciation, as resale will already automatically reflect the Federal credit that everyone gets. |
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03-12-2019, 12:01 AM | #3021 | |
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It's not about keeping up with the neighbors. You have documented here many times the old adage, act in haste, repent in leisure, and you keep on going back and doing the same things over and over again. The fact you don't see it and continue to rationlize these decisions is something to consider seriously. |
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03-12-2019, 12:05 AM | #3022 | |
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03-12-2019, 05:43 AM | #3023 |
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The state of Colorado needs to go to Colorado HHS and show them on a doll where you touched their tax policy.
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03-12-2019, 07:06 AM | #3024 | ||
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Shik, have you verified that there is no disqualification / tax incentives owed back if a vehicle is not kept for X amount of time or tax incentive will not be applied to new vehicle if trade in vehicle was kept less than x amount of time? |
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03-12-2019, 09:13 AM | #3025 |
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He may be the reason CO discontinues the tax incentive program.
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