Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-29-2020, 11:57 PM   #2476
richde
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 79498
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Disdain, NV
Vehicle:
2020 XV

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrundleJuice View Post
lol. Ok, cotton
Is there anything else you don't have any experience with that you want to chime in on?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
richde is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 05-30-2020, 12:10 AM   #2477
WallopingTuba
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 488146
Join Date: Jul 2018
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Arizona
Vehicle:
2015 WRX
Red

Default


My trusty steed
WallopingTuba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2020, 09:17 PM   #2478
Aceyduce
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194449
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Western RI
Vehicle:
2011 Mazda, 2003 WRX
Black , WRB

Default

Went down on the last corner to the house today at max speed. Destroyed my one ride old shoes that were a birthday gift along with most of the skin on my right leg and arm. Bike still works, ground the rear derailer and brake/shifter down pretty good. Gonna need some new tape and to replace those bits soon.

Aceyduce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2020, 09:26 PM   #2479
psg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 81549
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: California
Default

I would get some white duct tape and trim it to size. You can file a claim with Boa to get some new knobs and they might cover it for free, otherwise something around $15 to get some new hardware (see below).

https://www.boafit.com/en-us/support/warranty

Pick all the gravel and **** out of the road rash now, and give it a really good scrub. It'll hurt like **** but heal quicker. Then drink a beer because you'll be hurting more come tomorrow.
psg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2020, 09:48 PM   #2480
thechickencow
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16840
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: CO
Vehicle:
17 4Runner

Default

I get scrapes and bruises all the time on the MTB but a road crash seems worse.
thechickencow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2020, 09:56 PM   #2481
psg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 81549
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: California
Default

It can be, just because the speeds are usually higher. Last time I went down on the road bikes I was going 22.7 mph according to Strava. The slide chewed the **** out of my hip & leg.

Last MTB crash was a high side at 14.9 mph onto some loosely packed dirt. But rocks/exposure **** you up on MTB.
psg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2020, 01:15 PM   #2482
Aceyduce
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194449
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Western RI
Vehicle:
2011 Mazda, 2003 WRX
Black , WRB

Default

Yeah. I debrided all the wounds, lady bandaged me up well took some Tylenol and had a beer with dinner. Forearm took the biggest hit followed by the whole thigh which hurts the most. Wore through most of the skin on that leg. Now it’s recovering and doing small hikes/activities.

We were supposed to climb Washington on our week off this week amongst other fun things. I went down around 30mph. Was maybe 150 yards from the house. I’ll retape the bars and hope to be out later this week for some recovery rides.
Aceyduce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2020, 01:29 PM   #2483
samagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:
of TXIC
I also like (oYo)!!!!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WallopingTuba View Post

My trusty steed
the suspense is killing me, so did you sit on that dildo, or what?

and have dynamos gotten better in the last 30 years? I had one on a bike when I was a kid and I could feel the drag as soon as I would click it on.
samagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2020, 03:33 PM   #2484
subySerb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 155411
Join Date: Jul 2007
Vehicle:
2006 Miata
2015 WRX

Default

Took my road bike on some gravel trails yesterday. It did fine on hard packed dirt and it started digging in a little bit in loose sand. Would it be worth it to try to get gravel tires to fit this bike, or should i just start from scratch on a new gravel bike. I would like to be able to put fenders and possibly a rack on this bike for some touring as well.

subySerb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2020, 04:21 PM   #2485
subarugt
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11053
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Hobo, NJ
Vehicle:
99 Legacy GT LTD
Rio Red

Default

Do you have disc brakes on the road bike? Rim brakes severely limit the tire width that can go on a bike and that may make your decision on whether to use your current bike or get a gravel bike.
subarugt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2020, 04:21 PM   #2486
shikataganai
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 92634
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Default

When you start to add fenders, rack, wide tires then you'll realize you're out of seatstay and chainstay clearance long ago. (And have no eyelets.)

I'd start anew with those thoughts in mind. There should be many such options these days, with disc brakes and all as well.

/me likes his Soma Wolverine for a similar purpose: 45 mm tire clearance with fenders (crammed in 47 mms now), rack for my panniers, drop bars, hydro discs.
shikataganai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2020, 04:45 PM   #2487
richde
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 79498
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Disdain, NV
Vehicle:
2020 XV

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subarugt View Post
Do you have disc brakes on the road bike? Rim brakes severely limit the tire width that can go on a bike and that may make your decision on whether to use your current bike or get a gravel bike.
This is where someone would say "we've been doing gravel forever, ever heard of the Strade Bianche?"

Any bike can do anything if you want it bad enough.

I know that mild gravel on 28c tires isn't that bad, and your skinny tires are going to tell you to slow down well before you get beyond what they can handle.
richde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 01:48 AM   #2488
psg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 81549
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: California
Default

Wife and pup met me towards the end of a ride for coffee over the weekend. I've been on Zwift or Trainerroad every day for this quarantine, but it's been nice to get back to riding outside over the last few weekends and to ride with friends...a few hours later we got a surprise riot curfew and it's been that way every evening since. Sigh.


psg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 08:55 AM   #2489
samagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:
of TXIC
I also like (oYo)!!!!

Default

get out and ride before the day gets going.

nobody riots before brunch.
samagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 03:38 PM   #2490
bcblues
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17256
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: America's Outback
Vehicle:
18 Outback
on the road....

Default

psg: Ho you liking the Michelin tires?
bcblues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 04:59 PM   #2491
psg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 81549
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: California
Default

The competition ones are very grippy on normal tarmac, but not confidence inspiring when you hit slippery stuff (like mid-corner dirt, etc). I haven't ridden them in the rain, but I have a feeling they're useless. Fairly puncture resistant, but still low rolling resistance; TBD on tread wear life (about 800 miles in, can't see any discernible TW). Looking on Biketiresdirect, I'm not even sure they sell the Competition tire any longer.

I had an extra set of Michelin trainers (Power Protection) and threw them on my commuter bike for fun. I've flatted once over 1000 miles (fairly large nail, Gatorskins wouldn't have helped on that either) and they have good grip in the rain. I really like these tires.

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...us-tire?sg=502

My other bikes are set up as tubeless. Either I've had the worst luck in the world with punctures not sealing, or Hutchinson tubeless is useless. I have a couple sets of Continental GP5000 TLs ready to go on those bikes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by samagon View Post
get out and ride before the day gets going.

nobody riots before brunch.
I'm a slave to my work computer from 7-5 every day. I'm really looking forward to a post-COVID cycling vacation. I was supposed to be driving to Tahoe today to take part in an Imperial Century ride around the entirety of Lake Tahoe.

https://www.bikethewest.com/americas...ful-bike-ride/
psg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 10:04 PM   #2492
psg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 81549
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: California
Default

I just remembered something. Oh my god, the Michelins are the toughest tires I've ever mounted. I thought I had good technique, and it was a hour-long struggle to get both on. Palms were raw from rolling the last 1/4 of the tire onto the rim.
psg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 10:26 PM   #2493
shikataganai
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 92634
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Default

I called Golden Bike Shop to see what their backlog is for service, and they said I could drop the bike off in a week and they’d get it back to me two weeks after that!

I think I’ll pop some more stan’s in on my own and live with the getting-old rear tire for now. (It’s set up with Cushcore so I’d rather not wrestle it.)
shikataganai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 10:47 PM   #2494
thechickencow
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16840
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: CO
Vehicle:
17 4Runner

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shikataganai View Post
I called Golden Bike Shop to see what their backlog is for service, and they said I could drop the bike off in a week and they’d get it back to me two weeks after that!

I think I’ll pop some more stan’s in on my own and live with the getting-old rear tire for now. (It’s set up with Cushcore so I’d rather not wrestle it.)


Aww come on just DIY.

I’ve got moto tire levers if you want to come mess with it here.
thechickencow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 11:23 PM   #2495
richde
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 79498
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Disdain, NV
Vehicle:
2020 XV

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by psg View Post
I just remembered something. Oh my god, the Michelins are the toughest tires I've ever mounted. I thought I had good technique, and it was a hour-long struggle to get both on. Palms were raw from rolling the last 1/4 of the tire onto the rim.
Were they cinchers or tubeless?

I ordered a few GP5KTLs as well after a flat tire a couple weeks ago out of curiosity, although I'm not completely sold on the idea of road tubeless.

It'll be a while before they get used though.
richde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 11:41 PM   #2496
quentinberg007
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Vehicle:
2023 Tangerine
2023 3 Cylinder

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thechickencow View Post
Aww come on just DIY.

I've got moto tire levers if you want to come mess with it here.
Yea, it doesn't look bad.

I did an easy roll on Zwift tonight with 5 push as hard as I could for all I could stand this evening. Not a bad way to make an otherwise easy spin hurt a little.
quentinberg007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 11:45 PM   #2497
psg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 81549
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: California
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richde View Post
Were they cinchers or tubeless?

I ordered a few GP5KTLs as well after a flat tire a couple weeks ago out of curiosity, although I'm not completely sold on the idea of road tubeless.

It'll be a while before they get used though.
Michelins are clinchers. If Michelin made a tubeless tire, I'd be tempted to try them since I've moved on from the Hutchinsons. But the Contis were cheap and highly rated so I figured I'd give them a shot.

I've had 3 punctures on road tubeless and only 2 have sealed. One of them happened 125 miles into a 133 mile ride. Another was caused by a tiny ****ing staple embedded into the carpet at my office.
psg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2020, 12:38 AM   #2498
chapstien
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 68284
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Constant confusion
Vehicle:
2017 Backout
Rally America Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subySerb View Post
Took my road bike on some gravel trails yesterday. It did fine on hard packed dirt and it started digging in a little bit in loose sand. Would it be worth it to try to get gravel tires to fit this bike, or should i just start from scratch on a new gravel bike. I would like to be able to put fenders and possibly a rack on this bike for some touring as well.

Measure the distance between the seat stays and chainstays where the tire would fit. Keep in mind that a larger tire will have a larger diameter, and since the stays are angled, you have to measure it where the wide part of a tire would sit. I thin it would be safe to say it would move closer to the seatpost about 1/2 the difference, so if you had a 25 and wanted a 32, 3.5 mm. You need at least 5mm clearance on each side, and that's tight - mud on the tires will eventually wear a groove in the stays. A seemingly small change can make a big difference in volume a 700c 28c has 166% the volume of a 23c.

Panaracer has some Gravel King tires in 23c, 26c and 28c that would be good for hardpacked dirt and rough pavement and in wet conditions. The SS Plus would be a great all around gravel tire if a 28c would fit. You can also different widths - I have a 36 on the rear and a 40 on the front. If you have room for a 30c (unlikely) a classic tire that would make a difference is the Challenge Strada Bianca.

https://www.challengetires.com/produ...668?cat=gravel

I have the handmade tubless ready one on my short list because my old ones took a piece of glass. I have 30c and may go for 36.

But of course, tires won't change the frame geometry.
chapstien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2020, 12:46 AM   #2499
thechickencow
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16840
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: CO
Vehicle:
17 4Runner

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chapstien View Post
Measure the distance between the seat stays and chainstays where the tire would fit. Keep in mind that a larger tire will have a larger diameter, and since the stays are angled, you have to measure it where the wide part of a tire would sit. I thin it would be safe to say it would move closer to the seatpost about 1/2 the difference, so if you had a 25 and wanted a 32, 3.5 mm. You need at least 5mm clearance on each side, and that's tight - mud on the tires will eventually wear a groove in the stays. A seemingly small change can make a big difference in volume a 700c 28c has 166% the volume of a 23c.



Panaracer has some Gravel King tires in 23c, 26c and 28c that would be good for hardpacked dirt and rough pavement and in wet conditions. The SS Plus would be a great all around gravel tire if a 28c would fit. You can also different widths - I have a 36 on the rear and a 40 on the front. If you have room for a 30c (unlikely) a classic tire that would make a difference is the Challenge Strada Bianca.



https://www.challengetires.com/produ...668?cat=gravel



I have the handmade tubless ready one on my short list because my old ones took a piece of glass. I have 30c and may go for 36.



But of course, tires won't change the frame geometry.


I use the “put an Allen wrench in the space between current tires that fit and chain stay/seat stay” method to see how much bigger I can go. I have 40c on my caadx which works but doesn’t have a huge gap for mud/wobble but they’ve been good like that for a couple years anyway.
thechickencow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2020, 11:39 AM   #2500
samagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:
of TXIC
I also like (oYo)!!!!

Default

brake caliper clearance will be another consideration. it's really hard to see from that photo how much room there is, I've had rim brake calipers that could barely clearance 25c tires, the ones on my scott road bike look like they'd be capable of clearing something near 40c.

you can change brake calipers pretty easily though, if that is the only thing holding you back.

fenders, you can get some of these https://musguard.com/

they will keep your ass and saddle from getting muddy, but they won't do **** for your brake assemblies.
samagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.