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Old 08-30-2015, 11:55 AM   #26
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Just skimmed the post. Do you have upgraded engine and trans mounts? We've said it before. You should do all three at the same time. Engine, Pitch, Trans mounts.

No idea what the durometer is on the BR pitch mounts.
No, I do not have the other mounts. I too said, probably should have done them all at once. I agree and disagree to an extent. steel and welds shouldn't just rip apart. i have seen this on a stock car also. I am sure the stiffer stop contributed to it happening sooner than later.

Sadly when I purchased the pitch stop the other mounts hadn't been tested on the 15'. Sounds like a good marketing opportunity for a discount if you purchase all three at once.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:33 PM   #27
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Just skimmed the post. Do you have upgraded engine and trans mounts? We've said it before. You should do all three at the same time. Engine, Pitch, Trans mounts.

No idea what the durometer is on the BR pitch mounts.
Maybe you guys should develop matching engine and transmission mounts for this platform too then Only Perrin has aftermarket mounts, and I know of only one other vendor who is working on some.
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Old 08-30-2015, 05:14 PM   #28
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I have mine torn apart right now and it has Perrin engine/pitch/transmission mounts so I took a peek. All is well but Scotty is right. The amount of weld/material on these is pretty shameful.
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Old 08-30-2015, 07:11 PM   #29
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Wow thanks Subaru and FHI , Im very curious to see how this goes and how it is repaired , I will be checking mine periodically . I also wonder what broke first the spot weld or the flat metal tab
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Old 08-30-2015, 07:49 PM   #30
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Just skimmed the post. Do you have upgraded engine and trans mounts? We've said it before. You should do all three at the same time. Engine, Pitch, Trans mounts.

No idea what the durometer is on the BR pitch mounts.
All BEATRUSH products are 90 durometer
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:20 PM   #31
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Yikes...I am going to order motor mounts!
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:42 PM   #32
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This was my concern originally and why I went with the group n pitch mount instead of the overkill ones from perrin, torque solutions, beatrush ... and pretty much every other aftermarket company because everybody makes these
exactly... the group n is probably the softest one you can get. and safest.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:47 PM   #33
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exactly... the group n is probably the softest one you can get. and safest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the Group N the exact same as the factory part on 2015+ WRX and STI. Seemed silly to me to buy an aftermarket product that is identical to stock all the way down to the part number.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2714095
3rd post from the bottom I believe.

Again I could be wrong.

Just realized you were the original post Jobber... So can you explain why one would buy the Group M of its identical? Honest question.

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Old 08-30-2015, 11:16 PM   #34
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Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the Group N the exact same as the factory part on 2015+ WRX and STI. Seemed silly to me to buy an aftermarket product that is identical to stock all the way down to the part number.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2714095
3rd post from the bottom I believe.

Again I could be wrong.

Just realized you were the original post Jobber... So can you explain why one would buy the Group M of its identical? Honest question.
The Group N one is has stiffer bushings than the stock WRX (I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE STI), plain and simple. Its just a different part.

http://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_201...1040FE000.html

D1040FE000 is not the same as 41040FE000, I don't think you can just drop the first character from the part number and call it the same.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:37 PM   #35
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bad metal on a car is a little better than a improperly engineered chassis..

Will be interesting to see how they handle this. Even with the aftermarket part, I would not be surprised to see a fix due to the safety concerns..
highly doubt this is a case of 'bad metal' or bad welds. also, until this issue occurs on a stock car (which i also doubt will happen) there's nothing technically wrong with the durability of the chassis.

IF subaru is even looking at this, its simply from the perspective of a popular aftermarket product damaging cars. it would be a good pr move and likely reduce overall warranty to reinforce this mount.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:39 PM   #36
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Keep us posted on the repair and what Subaru has to say, Manley. I've been contemplating taking my BR mount out solely because of the NVH and I think this just convinced me. I didn't know firewall welds were an issue with Subaru's.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:41 PM   #37
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Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the Group N the exact same as the factory part on 2015+ WRX and STI. Seemed silly to me to buy an aftermarket product that is identical to stock all the way down to the part number.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2714095
3rd post from the bottom I believe.

Again I could be wrong.

Just realized you were the original post Jobber... So can you explain why one would buy the Group M of its identical? Honest question.
yes, you are wrong. see my latest video which showed the difference.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:46 PM   #38
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yes, you are wrong. see my latest video which showed the difference.
Ah, gotcha. I'll take your word for it.
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highly doubt this is a case of 'bad metal' or bad welds. also, until this issue occurs on a stock car (which i also doubt will happen) there's nothing technically wrong with the durability of the chassis.

IF subaru is even looking at this, its simply from the perspective of a popular aftermarket product damaging cars. it would be a good pr move and likely reduce overall warranty to reinforce this mount.

This guy gets it.
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Old 08-31-2015, 02:49 AM   #40
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This guy gets it.

no....no...you are both just HUGE blithering idiots

and in YOUR case, its been proved over and over again
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Old 08-31-2015, 07:22 AM   #41
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highly doubt this is a case of 'bad metal' or bad welds. also, until this issue occurs on a stock car (which i also doubt will happen) there's nothing technically wrong with the durability of the chassis.

IF subaru is even looking at this, its simply from the perspective of a popular aftermarket product damaging cars. it would be a good pr move and likely reduce overall warranty to reinforce this mount.
It has occurred on a stock car, lol. Subaru doesn't have to do anything for aftermarket parts. I wish they would and people with aftermarket pitch stops are getting it done under warranty so subaru has obviously noticed something is wrong here. Time will tell I just hope it becomes a recall so for all of us that are good now can get a stronger mount before ours breaks
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:08 AM   #42
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highly doubt this is a case of 'bad metal' or bad welds. also, until this issue occurs on a stock car (which i also doubt will happen) there's nothing technically wrong with the durability of the chassis.

IF subaru is even looking at this, its simply from the perspective of a popular aftermarket product damaging cars. it would be a good pr move and likely reduce overall warranty to reinforce this mount.
Even if it were a totally solid mount, the material should not be tearing or breaking the welds. This is supposed to stop the engine/transmission from turning in high torque scenarios and should/cannot be a dinky little piece.

The fact that one solid mount was added only proves this further. That is not a vibration/fatigue-induced break, it is a shear tear from stress. Stress that any adequately designed mount ought to be able to handle.l

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this isnt gonna make me take out my group-n.. 95% likely this is people that drive their cars a little harder than most. I never launch from a stop and i never slam gears. (except for a couple logs here and there in the past..)
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Old 08-31-2015, 12:05 PM   #44
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this isnt gonna make me take out my group-n.. 95% likely this is people that drive their cars a little harder than most. I never launch from a stop and i never slam gears. (except for a couple logs here and there in the past..)
It seems that you're not too familiar with most of the WRX/STI demographic. If this was caused by hard driving we'd see it as much as spun bearings.
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Old 08-31-2015, 12:18 PM   #45
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this isnt gonna make me take out my group-n.. 95% likely this is people that drive their cars a little harder than most. I never launch from a stop and i never slam gears. (except for a couple logs here and there in the past..)
I think 95% of WRX owners drive their cars pretty hard lol. Welds shouldn't be breaking, that's very poor quality on Subaru's part. But I'm still waiting to see threads on broken welds using stock pitch stop.
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nothing on the firewall should fail like this.....first, the welds for the pedal assy which is a HUGE safety issue that should have NEVER happened....and now THIS?????

this is purest bull**** on the part of FHI for VERY shoddy engineering and manufacturing
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Old 08-31-2015, 01:27 PM   #49
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Those aren't broken welds... that's... worse. I agree with Scotty, hopefully this doesn't happen to me, then again, always wanted an excuse to buy a welding machine.

There should definitely have extended warranty on garbage like this or perhaps even a recall, it's a safety issue.
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Old 08-31-2015, 01:35 PM   #50
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Thoughts on getting it reinforced before it goes?
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