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09-13-2006, 12:42 PM | #26 |
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I agree with Unabomber's review as far as the strength of the PPG gears, but I just want to set the record straight as far as the whining noise of the PPG gears. I have the PPG 1-4 helical synchro box, and the whine is Most Certainly NOT WIFE FRIENDLY. (I gave my GF a ride back from the airport and she says it felt like she was still on the airplane).
While it is quieter than straight cut dog box, it is still MUCH louder than stock. Especially 3rd and 4th gear in low rpms. The high pitched sound takes quite a few turns of my stock radio to drown it out. I still like my new transmission, in fact I enjoy the whine to a certain degree, and also since PPG is a good preparation step toward a 2.5 torque monster, but I just don't want any fellow members to get mislead on the noise like I did.
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09-13-2006, 12:48 PM | #27 |
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I rode in his car the day it was installed, and it was very quiet
Ron, has it gotten any louder? And do you know about any HR/va beach residents that might have broken a ppg? |
09-13-2006, 01:55 PM | #28 |
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Not to be rude Unabomber but I think you are gravely miss repersenting PPG gears by saying you only paid $3500.00. You make people like myself think that I can just give http://www.andrewtechautomotive.com a call and $3500.00 later I have PPG 1-4 tranny and new clutch.
Give us a final TOTAL price or edit your post. All the crap threads that are in this forum make it hard enough to pick which route to take we don't need another one confusing people more. |
09-13-2006, 02:16 PM | #29 | |
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-------------------------------- Anyway, 1) the gear whine is pretty loud, loud enough that when people ride in my car they ask what's wrong with it. From what I've read and heard it's completely normal. 4) The car sounds exactly the same today as it did when I drover it home from andrewtech. I've put about 2500 miles on the new tranny and it still whines, a lot, but I don't really mind it. ------------------------------- No problems as far as driving goes. The whine actually gets better in the higher rpms. As far as accurate pricing, I can tell you if you bring your car to andrewtech, drop it off, and pick it up later with 1-4 helical cut ppg syncros, you're looking at 4500 total. Not sure about clutches. |
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09-13-2006, 04:06 PM | #31 |
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$4300 is the price for those who want to know and I edited my first post. Mind you....I got a special deal through Andrew. As to a TOTAL price....that I don't know as I got my clutch from a buddy and same said buddy did the R&R of my tranny for a song.
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In otherwords all Andrew is doing is installing the gears and other stuff. |
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09-13-2006, 09:30 PM | #33 |
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Really....I don't know all the ins and outs of each situation....call Andrewtech and ask them.
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09-13-2006, 10:33 PM | #34 | |
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my 1-4 straight cut dog set was incredibly loud for the first 800-1k. now it is loud but not that bad, imo. ted |
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09-13-2006, 10:49 PM | #35 | |
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09-13-2006, 10:56 PM | #36 |
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also, what ratio's did you get?
higher boost because of the gearbox seems strange? if anything, wouldn't it be because of the higher clamping force of the clutch? |
09-13-2006, 11:49 PM | #38 | |
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this is going to sound rude i think....do you even know why boost is built? it has almost nothing to do with the clutch, that is unless it is slipping a lot. boost builds due to load vs rpm, if you get taller gearing the load will be higher thus allowing the load to be increased. with the 6sp ppg 1-4 i am building at least 17psi in first. |
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09-14-2006, 07:21 AM | #40 | |
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09-14-2006, 07:32 AM | #41 | |
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09-14-2006, 07:58 AM | #42 |
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Been running PPG helical /synchro 1-4th and all i can say....brilliant gearset
I ve gone from OEM breaking 2nd to Kaaz and now to PPG Replace my kaaz gearset mainly of the short gear ratio and shifting issues,not to mention the wear after just 8 months....no worth a penny!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since i had the ppg done 120+ passes with car running last week [email protected] know what it does on dyno As for noise with PPG helical....well nothing compare to Kaaz straight cuts!!! |
09-14-2006, 08:18 AM | #43 |
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If I am not mistaken one should expect to pay 4500-5500 for a complete PPG set up with a good clutch...
It seems to me that if you are interested in Drag racing only that this is a great set up and the one you must have... however for nearly half the price you can have a 6mt that has beed shown to be very strong, but with less "drag race" friendly gearing. So would it be safe to say the PPG gears are realy drag race gears? |
09-14-2006, 08:25 AM | #44 | |
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And to 2000wrx you can't get a 6 speed for half the price. 6 speeds go for 3000-3800 and then you have to get driveshaft, rear end and all that ish. Yeah you can go cheaper and get the 3.9 R160 R&P but then before too long you'll snap those spider gears if you have decent power. I agree with Unabomber.....get PPG's and be done with it. |
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09-14-2006, 01:29 PM | #45 |
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I got a 1-4 Straight cut synchro done by Andrew, and it was 4700 just for the transmission repair/install, that didn't include having the tranny dropped and put back in. Which I think was $400.
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09-14-2006, 03:17 PM | #46 | |
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edit: and I do realize that the different boost could be attributed to his gear's which is why I asked what ratio's because I didnt know what they were... two variables were changed so its really not a controlled enviroment. |
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Previously, I used an OEM clutch and honestly changed it for NO REASON as the tranny was out, a buddy had one, and I might as well do it in one shot. The higher clamping force/new clutch would have no effect on the boost. Quote:
Still have the old synchro style. In order to go to the 06 version, it's a huge and expensive PITA from what Andrew told me. First gear with that Motul 300 is very nice. Admittadly, I hate the Motul 300 dorks here as they seem to look down their noses at the rest of us (sorry for the generalization Motul 300 dorks), but I will admit, its a damn nice fluid. I prefer the blingy blue of the Redline superlight shockproof vs. the clear 300 though. Quote:
PPG gears are great for drag, but also perfect for autocross. HPDE events or road courses....then it starts to lean to the USDM or JDM 6MT though as they are best for them and there's never a best for all gearbox as we all know. |
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09-15-2006, 08:38 AM | #49 |
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The 6-speed is just a better designed transmission, and the gears are ridiculous.
But don't fret InfamousDX, your 5-speed dogbox is nothing to sneeze at. It's still an amazing transmission! Phil Andrewtech Automotive |
09-15-2006, 11:39 AM | #50 |
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I for one prefer a 5-speed, but I love the fact that 6-speeds have upgraded diffs. There's more to a six speed other than the extra gear and strength.
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