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12-12-2020, 08:18 PM | #76 | ||
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For us, the lack of a MT is a hard no, a deal-breaker. It's just the way we want our cars to be put together. Everything else is secondary . . . at best. Quote:
Another thing is that CVTs tend to be "soft" when accelerating away from a full stop. Once underway, I'm sure they're better, but you have to remember that this is an enthusiast-oriented forum and that hard acceleration away from a stop when the light goes green is still a big part of that enthusiasm for most. I think that covers the majority of people who don't care for CVTs. I don't care for them because they're sort of like any other automatic in most respects only worse. Worse as in even more different from driving a stick-shift car. Norm
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12-13-2020, 04:40 AM | #77 | |
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I see a lot of people judge a CVT on a subaru without even driven one. I don't agree with your opinion that the CVT is sort of like an automatic but worse. Like what I said before, the CVT on both my Ascent and Legacy 3.6r is better than the Forester (and Tribeca) automatics I've owned in terms of driving. If I get the urge for MT, I just drive the wrx all weekend and eventually want to change to driving my other vehicles. |
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12-13-2020, 09:44 AM | #78 | |||
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But having a MT really is that important, and styling isn't. We last owned a car with automatic back around 1972. Over the years we've occasionally driven automatics, enough to know that they don't work for us. She had just turned 60 when we bought the LGT and it was her completely unsolicited statement that she didn't want anything to do with an automatic (which would have meant the 3.6/5A version of the Legacy). Ten years later with both of us now in our 70's it's still the same. You've probably never "met" another couple quite like us (and may not ever meet another), so I can understand how it might be difficult to you to see this from our perspective. It's just "too different". The only thing about the LGT in its full OE condition that I really didn't care for was the shocks & struts, particularly the rear shocks. There was not nearly enough rebound damping to suit us, and this was noticeable within the first week of taking delivery. In fairness, Subaru probably tuned them that way as a nod to the Legacy being more luxury-intended than the WRX of the same year, but again luxury was not the reason we put the LGT on our short list. I ended up doing a set of RCE's special Bilsteins. I wasn't all that happy with the 59"-ish overall height or the EJ's occasional "rumble" either, but it was way easier to overlook the first and drive around the second than try to live with an automatic. Quote:
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12-13-2020, 01:02 PM | #79 | |
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But my point is that many people online automatically bash the subaru CVT is bad without even having driven one. No you don't get that burn rubber tire jump and its a different feel but its still really good and there are different driving dynamics that you can use with the paddle shifters. I was one of the first Legacy GT in owners in my city. So the 05-09 gen was a special one. When the cornering, stick shifting, styling, and overall vibe went down on the 2010 model, I went 11 WRX ltd. It's interesting the 2018 3.6r legacy I recently bought is such a great car. It's actually a great cruiser. There are aspects of it that are better than my wrx and legacy gt. To each their own. |
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12-14-2020, 08:39 AM | #80 | |||
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12-14-2020, 06:04 PM | #81 |
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I don't have any experience with Subaru CVT's but from reading reddit's just rolled into the shop subreddit, there's a consensus that Ford dual clutch transmissions used in the Fiesta have major reliability problems starting around 60k because they use a dry lubrication system.
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12-16-2020, 10:09 AM | #82 | |
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I had a 13 focus with that transmission and it got lemoned |
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12-16-2020, 10:58 AM | #83 | |
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12-16-2020, 02:27 PM | #84 |
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CVT are a bit under-rated.
Driving-wise and tuned correctly, CVT feels like a sequential 6 spd. Most CVT are fully-locked up at around 20 mph, some off-idle. That means it's a hard connection to the wheels thru a forward clutch pack and CVT belt, not much different than a manual tranmission car. That mushy feeling is either the CVT running with the torque converter open, or oil pump cavitation causing the belt to slip, tuning or whatever. But IMHO it's fixable, not so much the technology limitation. Tuning and what-not might make the difference. I run ECUTek and they do something to the map, plus I'm running an upgraded TCM flash from Nissan that fixed a ton of wonkyness with the CVT. I prefer it now way more than an auto-trans and about equal to a 6-spd. |
12-16-2020, 07:23 PM | #85 | |
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For CVT lovers, come take my 13 Crosstrek limited for a romp. Then you'll understand why people hate CVTs. My wife's 17 Legacy CVT is absolutely fine. Yes, of course I've driven both cars. My newest Subaru is a 19 Crosstrek premium 6MT. |
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12-16-2020, 07:29 PM | #86 |
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Nothing wrong with CVT, it's fine. But that is the problem, it's FINE.
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12-17-2020, 10:03 AM | #87 |
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The Fiesta DCT is a pile of garbage, a slipping clutch like non-other.
When I test drove the 14 WRX CVT in sport mode (i.e. faux gears) I thought it drove great actually, snappy shifts and all that. I didn't launch too hard but it snapped off the line decently. Having seen what the inside of a WRX CVT looks like it's amazingly stout. Now I do remember the WRX Torque converter being a weak point.......big deal, about as hard as swapping out a clutch on a manual trans car. Maybe they undersized the lock-up clutch disc inside the converter, but that is a super easy fix anyway. Upgrade that and some high torque CVT fluid with a decent CVT cooler and I'd easily own one myself. There are some bad CVT, typically anything Nissan related. The Honda Civic CVT wasn't terrible either, but I prefer the Subaru WRX CVT for the reasons I explained. So some of it is mechanical, some is TCM tuning based. |
12-23-2020, 06:32 PM | #88 | |
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12-24-2020, 12:20 PM | #89 | |
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The thing about either one of those that I don't much care for is that they both incorporate some level of automated gear selection (OK, ratio selection). If I was seriously competing (and trophying) in some time trialing or W2W competition and needed to find just a little scrap of time here and there to move up to the top step on the podium, I'd have to suck it up and run a DSG. But for HPDE (and any street driving) there's nothing to be gained, let alone enough to make up for having to live with two-pedal driving and somebody else's shift schedule logic. Norm Last edited by Norm Peterson; 12-24-2020 at 12:26 PM. |
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