|
Brakes & Suspension Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
03-11-2019, 11:43 AM | #451 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 118334
Join Date: Jun 2006
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: IT'SOKIFYOUDON'TGETIT!
Vehicle:2006 Red GDA-F 2005 Aspen White GDA-E |
Depends on what braking performance you want, you can ask 10 people and get 10 different recommendations.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
04-30-2019, 08:24 AM | #452 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 191586
Join Date: Oct 2008
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Location: Philadelphia
Vehicle:2006 STI Aspen White |
Not sure if this has been addressed, but maybe someone here will know. Is there any difference in the parking brake cable system between the 02-05 wrx and the 06-07 wrx? I'm aware of the rotor and shoes being different sizes. I'm intending to swap complete rear knuckles from an 06 with hub/2pot/rotors/pads/parking brake, but I'm just curious if my existing parking brake cable assembly will be compatible. Thanks in advance.
|
04-30-2019, 05:24 PM | #453 |
NASIOC Supporter
Member#: 123843
Join Date: Aug 2006
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Connecticut
Vehicle:2016 STI LTD CWP Let LED's light your way! |
If it is a sedan, Subaru lists parking brake cables as follows:
L: 1998 through 2004 R: 1998 through 2004 L: 2005 through 2007 R: 2005 through 2007 |
05-04-2019, 03:55 PM | #454 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 191586
Join Date: Oct 2008
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Location: Philadelphia
Vehicle:2006 STI Aspen White |
Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. The question remains despite that, however. They may be different part numbers, but it might not be of any consequence. To reiterate, I just wanna know if the 06 wrx knuckle/brake assembly will accept my 04 wrx parking brake cable. Hopefully someone has experience with this!
|
05-04-2019, 05:11 PM | #455 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 71875
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Montana
|
My guess is that it will work fine.
|
05-18-2019, 11:39 PM | #456 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 195423
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Houston TX
Vehicle:2001 2.5 RS BRP |
Has anyone come up with a bracket or replacement disc to allow the use of 08+ sti rear brakes on a GC/GD?
|
06-13-2019, 03:45 PM | #457 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 503210
Join Date: Jun 2019
|
Thank you for compiling the data.
However, as a subanoob, I have some difficulty interpreting exactly where to pull dimensions from or what different shapes are. I gather that H4 and H6 are distinctive, but without a pictorial example, I can't figure out what I have. (04 legacy that prior owner claims to have put Forester discs in the back.) I'm happy with the performance, but the pads are bad enough that they have scored the discs. I just need to be sure what caliper body I have and what discs and pads to get. So far, disc comes out to 9mm thick, so that means it started at 10, and is roughly 30cm. Looks like I need to pull the disc and get a more precise measurement, as there are 3 possible options on the first post: 1: 286x10mm which has appeared on a forester, 2: 390x10mm as found on the 00-04 legacy with the H6 caliper 3: 274x10 as found on the 2014+ Forester 2.5i Most likely it is one of the top two. Pic of the caliper from the back- in case it is visually obvious or the casting marks help to identify. For all I know, they just track what shift they were made on. This guide is great for pulling dimensions, but hard to know what points the dimensions go to. i.e. If I am measuring the parking brake, what portion of it am I measuring? I mention that, since it seems to be the distinguishing factor. If you can clear up this stupid question for me, I would greatly appreciate it. I think pictures or drawings showing the dimension types and the basic pad shapes would help others reading the guide too. Last edited by GunFunZS; 06-13-2019 at 05:52 PM. |
06-13-2019, 10:50 PM | #458 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 503210
Join Date: Jun 2019
|
It seems I probably have the standard parts. Maybe. Help.
"290x10mm This is well known as the H6 rear rotor. The Legacy caliper is the same as most other 99-07 1-pot Subaru calipers so you can upsize to this rotor simply by purchasing the brackets and correct pads. The "H6" bracket is part number 26625AE000. It uses pad shape D770 Applications: 00-04 Legacy/Outback non-brighton SVX (5x114.3, 190mm parking brake) Ver5 STI type-RA (5x100, 190mm parking brake)" Mine is 290x10mm with the 170 mm parking brake. What is not clear to me is whether this disc is 170mm in the version I highlighted in blue, or whether they are all 190mm. If the latter is true, then my disc is not listed above. Can anyone clarify this for me? For future readers who like me are not very familiar with Subaru rear brakes, some explanation may be helpful. I'll post the pictures which would have helped me to understand earlier. Subaru brake discs for the rear are a combination of a drum brake inset into a disc brake. The parking brake is a drum brake, and the disc brake goes around it. So in my case, the internal drum is 170 mm nominal internal diameter. 171 is the rated max wear, but it seems doubtful that many people wear out the drum portion before the disc. See pictures: Disc o.d. : parking brake drum i.d. marking: Parking brake drum mechanism: Disc caliper assembly: inside back And a horror show of neglect which also shows the shape of the pads: Last edited by GunFunZS; 06-13-2019 at 10:56 PM. Reason: Fixed images. |
06-13-2019, 11:20 PM | #459 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 71875
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Montana
|
A picture of the assembled caliper from the side is pretty useful, all those stamping and stuff on it not as much.
BUT, from that pad I can tell you it's shape d770, which is for the 02 wrx and 00-04 legacy and some other cars after about 1998. The forester rotors you mentioned won't actually even fit on your car. New stuff from the 08+ multi-link design has a different offset from the hat to rotor. So anyway your brakes are just regular 00-04 Legacy parts. There's no difference between H4 and H6 rear brakes. Fronts, there are two sizes depending on year and trim. |
06-13-2019, 11:31 PM | #460 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 503210
Join Date: Jun 2019
|
Quote:
I'm unlikely every to be able to repay you with automotive knowledge. But if you ever have old motorcycle or weird firearm troubleshooting questions I might help you on the appropriate forums. (I suppose I wrote the equivalent post about gas pressure dynamics in mag fed shotguns.) Or I suppose legal questions, but I tend not to do general posts on law. Might I suggest a small edit to your original post? Under the H6, could you list that the legacy standard discs are 170mm parking? like so. "290x10mm This is well known as the H6 rear rotor. The Legacy caliper is the same as most other 99-07 1-pot Subaru calipers so you can upsize to this rotor simply by purchasing the brackets and correct pads. The "H6" bracket is part number 26625AE000. It uses pad shape D770 Applications: 00-04 Legacy/Outback non-brighton (170mm parking brake standard) SVX (5x114.3, 190mm parking brake) Ver5 STI type-RA (5x100, 190mm parking brake)" |
|
08-09-2019, 11:58 AM | #461 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 12408
Join Date: Nov 2001
Chapter/Region:
VIC
Location: Lotusland
Vehicle:2020 Model 3 SR+ Gray |
EDIT - In case anyone needs to replace one of the caliper-to-bracket bolts (these ones seem particularly prone to seizing because of galvanic corrosion) on the Version 1 KNS rear brake adapters, I just got the specs from KNS - they are M10x1.25x35mm SHCS.
Last edited by banman; 08-09-2019 at 03:35 PM. |
08-17-2019, 07:48 PM | #462 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 503195
Join Date: Jun 2019
|
brakes
I want to rally a 2012 Subaru Hatch STI C spec with 18 inch rims. I have to go down to 15inch to fit rally tyres. Present brakes are gold Brembo.
Does anyone know what brakes will fit this car and take 15 inch rims? Preferably 4 pot front. |
05-20-2020, 09:38 AM | #463 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 353940
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: TN
Vehicle:2000 Forester S Silver |
02-04 Outback brakes on 00 Forester / H6 WRX?
I have a 2000 Forester S. I found this kit for an 02-04 Outback.
POWER STOP KCOE2751 https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...=7485524&jsn=5 It appears it has the H6 rears and WRX fronts, looking at the rotor sizes, 11.4in rear and 11.6in front. Can someone please confirm? I'm pretty sure the calipers/rotors will bolt to my car but need to know if my brake hoses will fit the Outback calipers properly. Does anyone have any experience with the Power Stop brand? Is $420 a good deal for complete new brakes of this brand or should I go a different route? I've priced H6 brackets, pads and rotors with 02 WRX brackets, pads and rotors and it comes to around $300 for better brand name stuff. Cardone brackets, coated centric rotors and Akebono pads. Any insight or direction would be appreciated. |
05-21-2020, 08:22 PM | #464 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 513559
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Vehicle:2008 Subaru Black |
Does anybody know if calipers from a 2008 outback xt will fit on a 2004 Forester xt?
|
06-10-2020, 11:08 PM | #465 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 50586
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Chiraq
Vehicle:64 Impala |
Bump for any info on the 2020 STI 6 pot brakes. Looking to get SS lines and options for track pads.
|
06-10-2020, 11:14 PM | #466 |
Former Vendor
Member#: 125739
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Raleigh, NC
Vehicle:2007 1500HD Need Brakes? 919.420.0021 |
|
06-10-2020, 11:17 PM | #467 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 50586
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Chiraq
Vehicle:64 Impala |
coincidentally I was just on your website, I see the SS brake lines under the 2019 STI option, 2020 wasn't an option. Will all the 2019 parts fit the 2020's? I'm wondering if they have the Stoptech pads for the 6pot's.
|
01-24-2021, 05:30 PM | #468 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 472314
Join Date: Aug 2017
|
"Old and new stuff will not interchange because the offset between the rotor hat and caliper changed."
I'm a little confused with the sti rear brembo specs, the 316x20 5x100 and 5x114 old & new. All the links show 59mm between the mounting face of the rotor to the rear braking surface. So it shows the new and old having the same offset. What am I missing? |
01-24-2021, 06:13 PM | #469 | |
Former Vendor
Member#: 125739
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Raleigh, NC
Vehicle:2007 1500HD Need Brakes? 919.420.0021 |
Quote:
STI GR/VA rear rotor height - 63.4mm Google 125.47023/125.47030 for images |
|
01-24-2021, 06:42 PM | #470 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 472314
Join Date: Aug 2017
|
Quote:
I'm researching what it would take to mount 08+ rear brembos on an 05 outback. The 04 rotor will work if I get the DBA one with the 170mm parking brake. Then it looks like I need to machine some of the mating surface from the brembo to align it to the rotor. Someone did this on a Tribeca, the machined off 8mm and it worked. I just don't know if it's the same here. (Yes I know the bracket exists for the 04-07, but I can get a killer deal on 08+ and I like the larger piston size. But I might end up just sourcing a set from 04-07) |
|
01-24-2021, 08:08 PM | #471 | |
Former Vendor
Member#: 125739
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Raleigh, NC
Vehicle:2007 1500HD Need Brakes? 919.420.0021 |
Quote:
On a GD WRX the tabs of the 08+ rear caliper will not fit down in between the rotor and backing plate so you would have to at a minimum machine the caliper tabs. I can’t recall if I used a GD or GR rear STI disc. It might have been an adapter rotor though. |
|
01-25-2021, 11:51 AM | #472 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 71875
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Montana
|
In an earlier version of the first post I had all the rear rotor sizes grouped together and not split between "old" and "new" and it appears I just don't have the correct rotor drawing linked for the 08 sti rotor.
And yeah, 08 brembo on a non 2-pot rear backing plate is something that almost works, as in the holes at least line up. Here is centric's drawing for the 08-17 rear https://s3.amazonaws.com/vsdam-centr...b11c8761f5.jpg Last edited by jamal; 01-25-2021 at 01:51 PM. |
01-25-2021, 01:40 PM | #473 | ||
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 472314
Join Date: Aug 2017
|
Quote:
So apparently the early Tribeca's had the same offset as the 04-07 in the rear. I found someone that got the 08 brembo to work, they machined 8mm off the back of the 08+ brembo and it cleared and aligned properly. This still left about 13mm of thread that the bolt could grab. Apparently they haven't had any issues, though this seems questionable lol. Quote:
Yeah, as I mentioned, the problem is the 05 outback has the 170mm parking brake, the 08+ brembo physically bolts up no problem, but the 08+ rotor has 190mm ebrake. So I have 2 options from my research. Buy the conversion brake shoes that work with the 190mm ebrake on the 08+ sti rotors or have the caliper tabs machined to change the offset and then use the WRX upgrade rotor. Last edited by SockMonkey; 01-25-2021 at 02:05 PM. |
||
01-26-2021, 06:37 PM | #474 |
Former Vendor
Member#: 125739
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Raleigh, NC
Vehicle:2007 1500HD Need Brakes? 919.420.0021 |
Pretty much 'yep' to all.
I have gotten the "Fit the GR rear on the GD" for a bit now as goldies become oldies - and with some significant creativity it can be done. You can machine down your caliper - and I might even machine down mine. But as a business I just can't tell YOU to machine yours. You can imagine how that might end up. If you like the fabbing stuff - do the GR's somehow. If you just want them on there - trade them for some old rears. ....I miss NASIOC |
02-15-2021, 11:11 PM | #475 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 170241
Join Date: Jan 2008
Chapter/Region:
E. Canada
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Vehicle:2002 WRX Wagon Silver |
My RHD 2002 WRX Wagon which actually has a chasis date on it of 2000 appears to use the D929 pads but the front rotor is only 276-278mm. I'm having a hard time finding which rotor it actually needs. Looks like maybe the 98+ RS rotor?
Edit: I figured this out, there was a change in brakes used on the 2002 WRX in August, 2002. So you need the D929 pads and a 278mm rotor if you have one of the early cars and don't want to replace calipers. Last edited by tankd0g; 02-27-2021 at 06:23 PM. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Tribeca Brake/Suspension technical information | THAWA | Tribeca Forum | 5 | 03-31-2006 10:07 PM |
Looking for thread that contains information on Clearence of Stop Tech Big Brake kit | MooseWRX | Brakes, Steering & Suspension | 4 | 02-22-2004 04:24 PM |
brake upgrade information | STEALTH-WRX | Brakes, Steering & Suspension | 43 | 03-11-2003 01:31 PM |
Outback owners: brake information needed! | bagio | Legacy Forum | 1 | 08-02-2002 03:47 PM |
Outback owners: brake information needed! | bagio | Brakes, Steering & Suspension | 1 | 08-01-2002 05:24 PM |