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Old 06-29-2020, 01:12 PM   #26
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Project is likely on the long pause due to really really dumb luck. Basically it got worse after waiting through the prior shipping/damage snafu. Finally I was excited to have it on it's way to me. Short block v1.5 was last scanned by UPS 2 weeks ago and that is it. UPS basically lost the package...or rather I suspect some azzhat at that hub took it home. *that is NOT what happened*
UPS is basically no help, especially if you are not the sender. UPS does not give a poop about the receiver. I am not entirely sure how this is going to pan out but I am sure it will prolong the project further than I had planned. Dealing with this puts a negative spin on continuing the work. Uhh, the stuff you deal with when working on car projects.
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Your experience is not unique. Since covid, UPS has sent out for delivery, then subsequently lost a prototype for a personal project, then found it around 2 weeks later and delivered it.

Same thing seemed to happen with a set of prototype parts being received from a a really popular Swedish Roof and Hitch accy manufacture.

UPS screwed up both times and just blaming the pandemic for their lack of responsibility.

hope to see this pan out.
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Old 06-29-2020, 02:10 PM   #28
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Yea, I know it still sucks in a large way though. Just not sure if I will end up with a short block soon, months from now, pony up to buying another, or just plain dropping the project for good. Keeping my fingers crossed and thinking "happy" thoughts...
*Builder was starting another short block in case it was lost. *that build never happened*
Short block v1.5 was eventually found after much pestering between me, builder, and UPS. Heard the shipping label was rubbed off. Builder returned it for inspection to find the box was opened and sat in poor conditions for most of that time. My guess is that UPS tried opening the package to see if any identification was inside (apparently none). *yea no kidding UPS would open the box looking for a non-existent info within the package*
Short block was not usable so now we are planning shipping a short block v2.0 out.

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Old 09-12-2020, 10:10 AM   #29
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Yep 9/12 and still no short block. There was supposed to be a v2.0 short block ready to go on 8/16 but "magically" it was not ready for some reason (waiting on two parts?). Short block was supposed to ship this Friday but no reply when I asked to conform shipping. I know races are over weekends but...come on man. I feel I have been way ABOVE average understanding on this, but my patience is spent. You have a customer waiting patiently and standing by you for 6 months while you sort out shipping eff-ups. I am going to say it, those shipping eff-ups were avoidable and you should be insuring these for full value. If I was a smarter person I should have requested full refund 4 months ago In the meantime you give this guy time to research places he probably should have gotten his short block from.

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Old 09-12-2020, 07:00 PM   #30
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Damn that sucks Jar!
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Old 09-13-2020, 09:44 AM   #31
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Nothing like meticulously planning out something, finally pulling the trigger on it, only to be screwed by the company you are dealing with.

I don't deal with certain places just because of some comments they leave on social media. Same goes for "tuners".

Hopefully you get everything sorted and it all works out and they give you a gigantic discount.

Also, kind of crazy about Headgames packaging job. They have made numerous posts in the past about how NOT to package heads that are sent to them and how others do it wrong. They may have made a few videoes on it as well.

Ever consider Rallispec for your shortblock(hoping that's not who you used)? I think I remember you having some transmission work done there a while back.

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Old 09-13-2020, 10:00 AM   #32
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Damn that sucks Jar!
Indeed. Even worse feeling since I try to be really understandable and many times that gets taken advantage of. Recommended cyl head builder (check) = FAIL. Heavily interviewed engine builder (check) = not looking so great. Thanks for commiserating with me.

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Nothing like meticulously planning out something, finally pulling the trigger on it, only to be screwed by the company you are dealing with.
I don't deal with certain places just because of some comments they leave on social media. Same goes for "tuners".
Hopefully you get everything sorted and it all works out and they give you a gigantic discount.
Ever consider Rallispec for your shortblock? I think I remember you having some transmission work done there a while back.
Me neither and I usually weed out the social fodder pretty well. Can't be 100% so I guess there are always surprises to expect here and there.
This could totally be worked out. If I can get them on the phone Monday I've got 2 reasonable proposals to offer for sorting the situation. I'm not ready to start shouting MF-ers over the phone or driving myself down there yet. Highly doubt any discount would be offered. I would like to avoid internet blasting them, which always seems a bit immature to me. However a few grand and 5 months of stressing I think affords me justification in doing so.
Now I'm just waiting for the "you should have gone with IAG bro" post to show up in here. Will just have to wait it out and see how this goes before I start talking about what path I might take moving forward. Yes I did have great 6MT work done by Dave at Rallispec.
This short block builder is not Rallispec.

I guess the thing that is stuck in my head....so if I end up with this v2.0 short block and being such a calamity getting it. How comfortable am I really going to be running this thing? Even if it was assembled by the hands of Moses himself will it always have this err negativity around it?

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Old 09-13-2020, 11:18 AM   #33
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Now I'm just waiting for the "you should have gone with IAG bro" post to show up in here.

I guess the think that is stuck in my head....so if I end up with this engine and it was such a calamity getting it. How comfortable am I really going to be running this thing? Even if it was assembled by the hands of Moses himself will it always have this err negativity around it?
Of course in hindsight you'll always get the "my guy is the best" people. You obviously did your research and based off of your posts throughout the years, I'd put much faith in anyone/product you'd choose as well. But, as consumers, ultimately we are at the mercy of the merchant. I only mentioned Rallispec since I remembered you dealing with them in the past.

And while not on the scale of your build, I totally get not trusting work after dealing with issues. We just bought a 2005 WRX 1 owner, tons of "service" work done, including a new T-belt/pump/pulleys less than 2000 miles ago. After working on the car the last two months just doing general stuff and seeing the absolutely atrocious work performed by the garage that did the owners service work, no way in the world am I trusting anything they said they did, including the timing belt job.

Props for being as patient and mature as you have been. Hopefully it pays dividends in the end.
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Old 09-14-2020, 09:30 AM   #34
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Oh shoot that IAG comment was not directed at you in case that is what you thought.
Actually RalliSpec has great on my past stuff and I would consider them for future work. True on all the rest.

We talked. There is a v2.0 short block that should have shipped already. Asked if he could confirm it and get tracking back to me today*. Fingers crossed. If it did not ship then I asked to call me back immediately. That part of my request was not received well. There was more to our conversation and clearly we agree to disagree on some points. Honestly if I did something wrong then I would be owning that right now. I just can't see where I am in the wrong. I clearly communicated my needs/expectations, paid moneys, waited for build, waiting through multiple shipping challenges, and in the end just want what I paid for.

However as long as a short block with the specified features arrives safely I will be satisfied.

*...and of course no word back at all that day. Shocker.

**Okay I texted and later got some email feedback from the next morning. Again I am always the one initiating the communications. The v2.0 short block did not ship last Friday. The reason for the reply delay is likely due to them finding a scuff in the deck surface. Here we go again, so it comes apart to re-deck and then re-assemble into v2.5 short block. Planning to ship out to me by this Friday. If this Friday cannot be fulfilled then sending me a full refund. Alright, I am not getting my hopes up yet. I have been here a few times already. So just another anxiety-filled wait until Friday comes, I get confirmation of however it is going, and I receive in-hand either a shortblock or refund. Fingers Crossed...

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Old 09-18-2020, 11:19 AM   #35
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Well today is the day.
If I get a confirmation today then I will go buy a lottery ticket. I'm mostly expecting I will have to contact them to get any confirmation.
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Old 09-18-2020, 02:34 PM   #36
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What an ordeal! Cant imagine waiting that long. Good luck.
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Well today is the day.
If I get a confirmation today then I will go buy a lottery ticket. I'm mostly expecting I will have to contact them to get any confirmation.
So?? Did you buy a lottery ticket?
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:55 PM   #38
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An engine shipped, so if it arrives well on Tues and isn't a box of crap...then I'll buy a lottery ticket.
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:12 PM   #39
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Well at least I have something in my possession now. Only had time to open the package and see what was within. Oh you bet I will be going through this with a fine tooth comb tomorrow. Already missing head gaskets and my alloy breather cover. No lottery ticket purchase yet...

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Damn. Glad you got it.
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Old 09-23-2020, 01:15 PM   #41
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Damn. Glad you got it.
I hope so too.

Some time for more inspection between conference sessions today:
704 case halves. Yep no head gaskets. I paid for those so will have to ask to ship some or refund me. Yep my breather cover and all the wrist pin covers are not included. Guess I have to eat those. The 14mm stud threading checks out fine. The deck surfaces are okay (as in acceptable). No build specs (oil clearances, ptw, ring gaps, etc) provided yet. I will have to re-ask for those (3rd time) since those are really important. Missing one of the oil pump dowels but I am not sure if that is their solution to the line bore service or not. Rear oil seal was installed but looks jankey. I am hoping that re-cutting oil seal area is a part of their line bore service. I will be going in further to check that the pistons, pins, rods, etc match my order specs. Then contact the builder with what I still need from him. Then will be going through all threaded holes to inspect, clean, and chase.

Honestly I am not even sure I want to continue on with this thread. It's just becoming my complaint page and that sort of sucks. I was intending to stick to informative only...

*9/23 - Head gaskets being drop shipped to me but given no info about that until I asked. Build specs I will get but I would expect it will be another week then I likely will have to re-ask. Oil pump dowel was just missing, so I will take care of adding one. Rear oil seal section is NOT cut since it "is still within oem specs". Well that explains the jankey oil seal install and I disagree this area does not need re-cutting. But what the eff do I know? I can certainly agree it is labor intensive to re-cut that and would need special tooling to do so.

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You're informing the rest of us how to deal with this sort of situation if it ever happens to one of us. Carry on, Good Sir, you'll get to "informative" pretty quickly here...
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Old 09-30-2020, 12:13 PM   #43
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As expected a week later...no headgaskets. Sort of the resounding theme surrounding this short block purchase. Checked vendor they are shipping from and they have been in-stock the whole week. No build specs yet since it must take a week to scan those . So another email re-re-asking for info on those things.

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Damn, why haven't I seen this thread before? Sorry for your experience it can halt all desire to complete a project.
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Old 10-01-2020, 02:11 PM   #45
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You're informing the rest of us how to deal with this sort of situation if it ever happens to one of us. Carry on, Good Sir, you'll get to "informative" pretty quickly here...
I can certainly make suggestions of what NOT to do. Hopefully I can get back on track relatively soon.

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Damn, why haven't I seen this thread before? Sorry for your experience it can halt all desire to complete a project.
Because it sat dormant for long time while I waited patiently like a moron. Yea it has a set back effect but I expect motivation to return eventually.

Hooray. Head gaskets arrived. Sort of funny how they shipped out yesterday sometime after my email inquiry. No response from builder only the UPS tracking email to indicate something was coming. Still no reply about the build specs that I am owed. I bet it's because they need 2 weeks to scan those and email them "or maybe UPS lost them".

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Old 10-28-2020, 09:31 AM   #46
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My attempt to move past this unfortunate experience, it has been extremely stressful and outright demotivating. This should have been a fun and exciting chapter in working on this car. I'm taking a break, will regroup, and allow some motivation to build for continuing this project. Bear with me or just skip past this if you wish.


Cylinder Heads: My dealing with Head Games ended unsatisfactory. To reiterate, the planning and work was fine but poor return packaging damaged the deck surfaces. Mistakes happen; however an indolent offer to resurface is not worth the risk of more mistakes. So I am over with sharing complaints about these. I will find a competent local shop to address these cyl head decks. Honestly I think this was a rare case but I am unlikely to any send more work over there since there are plenty of cyl head shops that can provide similar work. I will not recommend them to anyone in the future. If you are sending your stuff to this place... If all goes well then you are probably fine. Good luck if any issues arise.


Built Short Block: My dealing with Ryan at P2P Racing was an effing disaster. To reiterate, the work might be fine but I'm not going to really know until I run it. Their engine building is done aside of their race support. Shame on me, I should have known their engine business would likely be prioritized last. Numerous shipping and process problems were conveniently blamed on the package carrier. I can admit the carrier was not without fault here.
However many of those issues would have been avoided with some simple effort on the vendor's part. So after the 5th month of being patient I started being more pointed towards getting this transaction closed. Like any sane person would. Here is when it turned complete poop, the builder lost his composure, and I am lucky I got anything at all. I really tried to be as pragmatic as possible regarding this. Even running this past a handful of people I know working in this sector. All of them commented that my displeasure was warranted and they could not believe I waited as long as I did. Even now I still have no build specs and one of the parts I supplied is MIA. No clue on ring gaps or PTW; unless I take it apart. I do know the 3 tenths main and 12 tenths rod oil clearances are mother-effing tighter than I would expect and who know if there is any journal-to-journal variance. I still can't believe he said to me "with all the rework, I am paying you to run our engine". WTF is that? Well I think that about sums it all up right there. Promise whatever you think customers want to hear. When things are tough is when true intention shows. I will figure out how to use the short block in my car since I do not feel right about selling it off for another to deal with or turning it into a boat anchor. Obviously NO EFFING WAY I will send more work over there. There are plenty of engine build shops that can provide similar work. If you are sending your stuff to this place...ehh I don't know what to say to you. If you have them race prepping your car...ehh are they paying you to work on your car?


I did not write this intending to be a online bash. I could care less if either of them felt inclined to comment since I am closing the book on these and moving on. Eff 'em.

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Old 11-04-2020, 02:46 PM   #47
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Wow. F**k man....what a rollercoaster. I would be livid if this were me again in this scenario. By all means you've been patient, as I would be. So no fault of your own there. We are similar people for sure though, in that we have expectations, we are picky/particular about our requests, we give people the benefit of the doubt and time to try and rectify mistakes....but it just seems far too often that we get let down. These engines are very picky and things need to be precise. This has been a frustrating read.

This is why it pays to do as much of the work yourself that's possible so that we aren't relying on poorly-communicating shops who seemingly ignore requests/instructions. If only we could afford the super-expensive machinery to do all the block work ourselves, amirite?

I'm having flashbacks and sweats from my project....now I need a shower.

Keep your stick on the ice man.
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Thanks for the kind words. This was an example of even doing your homework does not guarantee issue-free situations. Taking a break for awhile but I have a friend trying to pull me over to vintage Porsche for awhile. I am sure he will see this an an opportunity



- Uhh I don't even want to update this thread after enduring the two days following a related post. I am really regretting this as I strike each key. Someone asked about experiences with P2Pracing and the thread was getting some positive replies from others (which is perfectly okay). There were NO reviews of info on P2Pracing when I was researching. So I felt obligated to mention that my experience was not so great and spent much effort to word it as gentility as I could. What I got was 2 days of harassments for that contribution. Apparently you are not allowed to have a poor experience and speak up about it. I totally understand the need for defending your company but that is not what was happing behind scenes.

Especially all you "thanks for weighing in" guys. Were you really wanting justification of what you planned to do anyways. If you only really knew what was happening behind that nice PC post.

Yes I was texted by the Ryan; which I did not request him to do. He insisted I remove my "blasting" post and gave me general target specs (main oil clear, rod oil clear, ptw, top ring gap, 2nd ring gap)...these were NOT actual measurements! I responded back via text/email rephrasing that I was looking for the blueprint spec sheet that was part of the purchase of my shortblock payment March 2020. Also have the Sept 2020 email of Ryan confirming I would get that spec sheet. Now he says policy changed and no blueprint specs are provided to customers. Remaining time I suppose he spent "researching" anything I have said or posted, telling me off, wanting nothing to do with me, accused me of spreading hate, and good luck with my life. I never went personal (being critical of a business transaction is NOT being personal) but he's apparently willing to go personal. Yea...real class act there.
FACT: There was never any insurance on those UPS shipments (aside from default $100). I know more about those claims than usual, it pays to befriend UPS people.
OPINION: I am not sure if he can't keep his info strait or if it's just "blatant inaccuracies".
FACT: It is obvious I was never going to get the blueprint specs.
OPINION: Anything Ryan says is "in total jest" but anything anyone else says is only a reason to dismiss, discredit, etc.
FACT: I got to see a side of Ryan that those other posters did not see. All he did was confirm my gut feelings of how he really operates when it's tough.
OPINION: His logic suggests that I was a customer of his up till March 26th 2021. Guys...he can treat his customers like this.
FACT: Honestly as of Sept 2020 I was never going to send that engine, other engines, or any additional business to Ryan. Which sucks because he employs people and this is not their fault. I did not and do not want any contact with Ryan, it is a waste of my time and only incurs frustration.
OPINION: I can't fathom how he would think I was a satisfied customer back then. It seems he was more interested that the issue was in the past than if I was really happy or not. Very contradictory to what he posts up for all to see and is redundantly littered through all of his correspondence. It's on you guys to decide if he can come through on those promises.


One last thought:
Honestly the experience was painful enough on it's own. I contemplated for a long time afterward if I should post a review thread. Which I decided was not worth it because it wouldn't help anyways, I wanted to be done, others might disregard the warning cause "I've got a chip on my shoulder" (I did not), and it's not how I roll anyways. I did feel replying to a request for experiences was the right thing to do but apparently not so.
This all is really disappointing and reflective to me of why this hobby is just not what it used to be.

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