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Old 08-09-2010, 12:11 PM   #101
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For fishing, a SOT is the better choice. Get a longer one for more stability in the chop.
Yeah, but I'd also rather not wear a wetsuit. This would be a pair, my gf would ride the other, and she doesn't do well with cold water. I'd like to be able to go out in the spring and fall when the water temps are down in the 40-50 range.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:17 PM   #102
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I think you want a real boat, then (ie Boston whaler type).

PS You'd be crazy to take any kind of kayak out in water that cold without a wetsuit.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:19 PM   #103
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I already have two boats (my vehicle profile to the left). Hmmm, guess I'll have to keep researching...
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:25 PM   #104
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I guess with a SOT you're guaranteed to get wet, right? I paddled one around Nantucket before, and my ass was soaked.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:38 PM   #105
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Pretty much, yes. I just use ours on calm fresh water, and still get a little wet
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Old 08-09-2010, 04:49 PM   #106
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I guess if I'm going to need a wetsuit anyway, I might as well get a SOT. But, I'd like to be able to paddle up the potomac river, against the current.
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OK, so what the heck would someone get who wants to be able to paddle for several miles, and also wants to be able to fish in 2-3ft choppy water?
I bought my SOT last year. Its a Future beach 160 angler which is a similar to the ocean prowler trident 13. I looked for a used trident for a long time before I decided to try this one since its really cheap compared to the others. Its super stable even in choppy water. Its probably not the fastest SOT, but it holds a lot of weight and is excellent for fishing. In calm conditions I've even stood on it while fly fishing. This is a shot from last year on one of the lakes in northern Wisconsin.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:21 PM   #108
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OK thanks, I'm keeping my eyes on Craigslist.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:50 PM   #109
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I should be picking up a Point 65 Tequila modular kayak within the month...

The key point I like about this, is that i can store it in my condo, and transport it in my forester or any other car without a rack. Not to mention, if I wanted to, I guess I could take it traveling with me too. The price is a wash IMO, slightly higher in price, negating the price of the car rack. But flexible for both myself and wife to ride.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:40 PM   #110
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here's a vote against a SOT - apparently great white's like them.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:54 PM   #111
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Went yakking on the local Mohawk river over the weekend and was surprised to find this sucker:





Said 1614 on the side... interesting.
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She is beautiful. And thankfully maintenance on her is not my problem!
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Old 09-13-2010, 04:22 PM   #113
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I did wind up buying a Kayak last weekend. Leaving for work on sunday I see a guy down the street from me with a kayak, paddle and vest propped up on his steps, taking pics. I slowed and asked "Ebay?" He tells me hes moving to Italy and is putting it on CL. I ask how much, and they (he and wife) exchange a look. They were thinking $100ish. I whipped out a bill and said I'll take it. Parked the car and carried it back to my house.

Been out twice. Things I've learned so far... Bring shoulder muscles. Wear gloves. It's easier going against the current than it is with. Bring bigger shoulder muscles.

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Old 09-13-2010, 04:28 PM   #114
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Went yakking on the local Mohawk river over the weekend and was surprised to find this sucker:
Said 1614 on the side... interesting.
It's real, been there for a rehearsal dinner. Can't remember details I was a little fuzzy.
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I did wind up buying a Kayak last weekend. Leaving for work on sunday I see a guy down the street from me with a kayak, paddle and vest propped up on his steps, taking pics. I slowed and asked "Ebay?" He tells me hes moving to Italy and is putting it on CL. I ask how much, and they (he and wife) exchange a look. They were thinking $100ish. I whipped out a bill and said I'll take it. Parked the car and carried it back to my house.

Been out twice. Things I've learned so far... Bring shoulder muscles. Wear gloves. It's easier going against the current than it is with. Bring bigger shoulder muscles.

My ride today:

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Use more of your core. Use those big back muscles!
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Old 09-13-2010, 05:14 PM   #116
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Use more of your core. Use those big back muscles!
Loading to PB. It's a Kiwi, Kopapa. Worth all of $100! But it's a good start. My brother and I live together and both wanted one. When I got mine he got off his ass and picked up a badass Kayak from CL. His is like 13', which we thought would be faster. Problem, he has no keel, and it's designed for white water. Getting his to track is a beast.

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^^ That's more of a river-running boat than a whitewater boat. Shouldn't be that hard to get to track.
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Old 09-13-2010, 05:55 PM   #118
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Damn thing only does circles. For him, for my niece, for me... circles.
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You shouldn't need a keel for something that long.
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If I can get a modern whitewater canoe to go in a straight line with a single blade, you should be able to get that monster to go straight. Take short, light, fast strokes rather than long powerful sweeping ones.
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I tried that, so did Rick. It's fine where there was little wind and current, once I reached out in an unprotected part of the bay is when it wouldn't track straight. Same places it wanted to do circles. The guy I bought it from brought it from Arizona where it was used for white water racing, it's fiberglass and weighs 26lbs. He said some people tape an arrow to the bottom to act like a keel. For $200 why not? He said it doesn't leak and didn't see any visable damage.

If I could get it track straight I will keep. If not will look for another, don't have funds for a new perception 12 or some of the other favorites. If someone locally gives me $200 I would part with it. It belongs in white water rapids, or calm lakes.
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Ha! That Kiwi is a good boat for what you want to do with it and for what you paid. You will probably want something faster in the future, but that will be good for a while.

The whitewater boat on the other hand... That is going to suck for doing anything. Even whitewater. How long of a paddle are you using with it? If it is over 206cm, find something shorter. Keep the blade as close to the boat as you can, with the paddle vertical in the water, that will reduce the amount of yaw with each stroke. For now, just concentrate on going a little slower so that when the bow starts to break right or left, you can put in a good sweep on the other side to get you going back straight. Pick a point of land in front of you and keep the bow pointed towards it, if you concentrate on that, you will notice faster when it is about to skid out.

Most people have troubles making whitewater boats go straight for a while, but you will get used to it eventually. Time in the boat is all that it takes. Or a different boat, that would help a lot, too.
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Keep the paddle blade in close to the boat and try to build speed slowly with light strokes and increasing in power as speed increases.

Edit: God DAMMIT
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Also, being that this is the official kayak thread, I just ordered a new boat, too.

I just got a call and was told that it is on back order, but that way, I get the 2011 version instead of the 2010 version. No big difference other than the seat and other outfitting, but it will be easier to sell when the time comes.

I found a 20% off any one item coupon in an email the other day, so I ordered a Liquid Logic Jefe Grande in red. Made for creeks and other small vertical rivers with big waterfalls and such. Should look something like this:



I was forced to buy a new boat when my Wavesport Habitat 80 died while I missed a move in a class 5 rapid, resulting in my getting stuffed into an undercut rock after falling straight down hitting the nose of the kayak on a rock. Somewhere in there the bow of the boat split and got a large dent in it. Bastards wouldn't even give me a partial warranty.

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How long of a paddle are you using with it? If it is over 206cm, find something shorter. Keep the blade as close to the boat as you can, with the paddle vertical in the water, that will reduce the amount of yaw with each stroke. For now, just concentrate on going a little slower so that when the bow starts to break right or left, you can put in a good sweep on the other side to get you going back straight.
Thanks for the advice. It came with a short 1 piece paddle, I think it's fiberglass. The blades are angled in opposite directions of each other, like a + sign. I had to concentrate on twisting my wrists to get a clean stroke each time so I opted for a better longer paddle as seen in the pic. Now the comment about the yaw makes sense. Think duct taping an arrow to the back will help with tracking?

I think the paddle that came with it is a white water paddle of sorts, my guess. I bet this Poke Boat will teach me basics of paddleing in a punishing way...... if I don't get frustrated first.
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