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Old 09-29-2003, 11:44 AM   #51
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Old 09-30-2003, 10:19 PM   #52
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We still waiting for more people or you want us to start sending you the other half already to get these things shipping
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:33 PM   #53
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Nick, I got the WI kit today in the mail, thanks!. Only problem I have with it though is the lack of instructions as to what to do with the parts in the box! I spoke to Jeff a few weeks ago about instructions, and he said that he would e-mail me some, but nothing has shown up thus far.

Would it be possible to get instructions e-mailed to me? My e-mail addy is [email protected]

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Old 10-01-2003, 06:42 PM   #54
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Does the price remain the same even without 10 people on the list? :crossing fingers:
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:32 PM   #55
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I'm very interested in purchasing this WI kit. I have a few questions first though:

How does the pump mount in? What do people use for a reservoir and where do you get it (if it isn't the window washer fluid reservoir)? What batteries do people use? How do you secure it?
Are there step by step instructions with pictures for the end to end install on a wrx?

Sorry if this is a repeated question; I just want to know everything that is involved before making a decision and I'm not that great at fabricating things (mostly due to laziness).

Thank you,
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Old 10-05-2003, 06:21 AM   #56
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Yes the group buy is over Please send the final payments. I will extend it till friday for anyone that asks and makes the full payment by then.

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Yes we will keep the price the same

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Femi we will get you those instructions this week sorry bout that

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How does the pump mount in? You can mount the pump where ever you wish under the hood prefferably near the washer tank as it is the best source of washer fluid My question is why would you not want to use the 1 gallon resivior you have already under the hood?

What batteries do people use? The pump is a 12v pump and should be used with the factory battery.

How do you secure it? Not to be silly but, screws.

Are there step by step instructions with pictures for the end to end install on a wrx? Yes there will be step by step instructions available online as well as with the kits, we are working on those now.

Well I hope this helps if you can't PM me just send an e-mail to [email protected] or [email protected] and one of us will get back to you ASAP

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Old 10-05-2003, 06:28 AM   #57
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A couple questions:

What model sureflow pump is included? I will tell you the specs since we now provide the pump as our name brand J&N Performance. It is an 80 GPH 100 PSI pump and has a built in check valve to maintain pressure at all times when the system is on.

Are there options for different sized nozzles? Yes you can get different sized nozzles for additional cost and a small delay for ordering included is a 5GPH nozzle.

How is the nozzle supposed to be mounted? For best results drill a hole in the front of the intercooler just in front of the butterfly orings are provided to seal the nozzle in place.

Where is the pump mounted? Where ever you would like

Is a check valve included? It's built in to the pump

I hope this helps.

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Old 10-05-2003, 10:12 PM   #58
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sent you the rest of my payment. 3 day shipping correct? will i get a tracking number ?
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Old 10-05-2003, 10:40 PM   #59
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Just sent the rest of my payment in too.
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Old 10-05-2003, 11:00 PM   #60
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Yes tracking #'s will be provided they will ship FedEx and will ship by Tuesday

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Old 10-06-2003, 01:34 AM   #61
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Nick,
Could you send me some install directions too??
Thanks
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Old 10-06-2003, 01:29 PM   #62
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Default Water level switch.

To add the water level switch to any kit it would be an extra $35 with this group buy after fiday the kit's normal price with the switch included will be $399 without it it will be $350.

Let me know if you would like to add it to your kits

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Old 10-06-2003, 04:24 PM   #63
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How hard is it to hook up the leveler switch. Also are the instructions up online anywhere?

I would like to go over them a couple times while i'm waiting for them...so when I get it I can install it right away
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Old 10-06-2003, 08:14 PM   #64
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So there is no suggested mounting location for the pump? Is there any way to mount it under the hood w/o having to move things around? How much are the extra nozzles and what type of nozzles are they?

Thanks
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Old 10-06-2003, 10:29 PM   #65
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How hard is it to hook up the leveler switch. Also are the instructions up online anywhere?

I would like to go over them a couple times while i'm waiting for them...so when I get it I can install it right away
The switch is a pressure type which all you need to do is attach the included piece of hose and lower it into the fluid resivoir by drilling a hole the size of the hose and plug it into the included switch with the water injection kit

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Old 10-07-2003, 12:09 AM   #66
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One more thing... Your kit relys only on the pump to regulate system pressure. Considering the pump has the on-demand switch, won't the line pressure constantly be wavering between the turn-on/turn-off pressures? That doesn't seem ideal. I'd suggest a by-pass type system to keep pressure constant.

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Old 10-07-2003, 12:56 AM   #67
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Could you send me some install directions too??
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Old 10-07-2003, 08:09 AM   #68
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Nick, could you answer my questions please? Also, could you send me install instructions. Thanks.
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Old 10-07-2003, 12:28 PM   #69
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Default Water Injection Without UTEC

How can I take advantage of WI without UTEC? Do I need to get new map for my ECU (like ECUTEK)? Without supporting ECU maps is it worth getting WI? I like idea of lowering temparatures and less fuel consumption if it make s sense with WI.

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Old 10-07-2003, 01:40 PM   #70
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I am interested in this, but I already got a Stage 1 ECU from Vishnu. I am wondering whether I will need a whole new map or whether the WI will kick in automatically at the top end of the rev. range. You need a different leaner fuel map to gain extra power from this device don't you? Also, can you get better fuel mileage as well as more power (and probably lower emissions)? I'm thinking (after reading the threads in the first post) that WI will only help if the ECU (or UTEC etc) is specifically tuned for it. Is that right?
Well the water injection will lower your cylinder temps, without the ability to increase your timing and reduce the amount of fuel you will not get a gain except for a lower EGT and the ability to raise your boost a little without the danger of knock. We are working with GP Moto which can also program your uni chip and they are going to be developing maps for the water injection kits as well. Also the newest version of the uni chip will be able to operate the solenoids without the need of a pressure switch.

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Old 10-07-2003, 01:43 PM   #71
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How can I take advantage of WI without UTEC? Do I need to get new map for my ECU (like ECUTEK)? Without supporting ECU maps is it worth getting WI? I like idea of lowering temparatures and less fuel consumption if it make s sense with WI.

Regards,
Ret

One thing we would like to beleive is that the factory ECU being as smart as they say it is would realize that it doesn't need as much fuel when introducing the water injection. If you were to reset the computer and only run the water injection it in theory would be able to re-adjust to the new mixture of fluids and reduce the amount of fuel that it uses.

This is just a theory and we are going to be testing it in the near future.

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Old 10-07-2003, 04:30 PM   #72
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I guess my questions aren't important?
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Old 10-07-2003, 05:13 PM   #73
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Just hold your horses, I'm sure they'll answer you.
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Old 10-07-2003, 07:51 PM   #74
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So there is no suggested mounting location for the pump? Is there any way to mount it under the hood w/o having to move things around? How much are the extra nozzles and what type of nozzles are they?

Thanks
-- Ed
Mount it where can, if you have a cold air you can mount it on the passenger side fender or if you want to relocate your battery you can mount it there or if you you like you can mount it on the firewall above your turbo as long as you have the heat shield still on the turbo.

Your other statment is not relivant as the pump is designed to keep the the pressure at a constant and if your system is leak free as it should be, you will have no issues.

I hope this helps,
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Old 10-07-2003, 09:37 PM   #75
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Your other statment is not relivant as the pump is designed to keep the the pressure at a constant and if your system is leak free as it should be, you will have no issues.

I hope this helps,
Nick
Nick,
Thanks for the info but I still have a problem with this statement. How do you figure that the pump is designed to keep constant pressure?

From your info, I gather that you're using the Shurflo 8000-543-238 100psi pump. This pump has an internal pressure switch and an internal check valve to prevent backflow but no internal bypapass to maintain pressure. The shut-off switch is adjustable from 80-100psi set to 100psi from factory. The turn-on switch is non-adjustable and is set to 85psi +/- 5psi. So as you can see, the pump will be cycling on/off during operation and causing pressure to waver between the turn-on/turn-off values.

There are other models of shurflo pumps that include an internal bypass to maintain constant pressure but those are not high pressure pumps.

All of this info was taken from the Shurflo data sheet and so far I don't see anything that will allow the pump to maintain constant pressure on its own. If you have other info on this, please enlighten me.

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