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Old 05-01-2008, 06:01 PM   #276
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I really really really x 10,000 hope this is a joke? Oh man, either way, this sure brightened up my afternoon!
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:18 PM   #277
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Thats actually a pretty smart idea there! How did you think of it?? Do you do brakes?

In all seriousness i once made a joke about doing that and drilling a hole for the MAF sensor on the base of the filter or the IM inlet. It would have 0 top end though.

I'm pretty sure this guy is serious except his name is ironic.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:40 PM   #278
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I really hope that's a joke.

Otherwise it looks like that ship from alien invaders.
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:14 PM   #279
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okay, thanks man, a simple "that is not correct" would have sufficed... but whatever... so what do i do... i dont want to take my car to the dealer, they maight void it... so this is dumb... suggestions...
Simple, go back to stock intake. More than one person here woul love to sell his.. and then you go back to the drawing board
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Old 05-01-2008, 08:01 PM   #280
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Haaaaa... makes me think of the PnP method of pouring a bag of sand into your running engines intake.
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Old 05-01-2008, 08:03 PM   #281
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This vehicle is map based ^ (above picture). especially since they used MAP sensors on the 2000-2004 Legacy, I'd assume they'd use the same sensor on the base impreza. Plus, I can see the MAP sensor cable going into the MAP sensor in the first picture.
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Old 05-01-2008, 08:17 PM   #282
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This vehicle is map based ^ (above picture). especially since they used MAP sensors on the 2000-2004 Legacy, I'd assume they'd use the same sensor on the base impreza. Plus, I can see the MAP sensor cable going into the MAP sensor in the first picture.
That car is NOT MAP based. It's MAF-based and also happens to have a MAP sensor. If the MAF sensor fails, the car will attempt to limp on the MAP sensor on a really primitive speed-density system. That's what his is doing right now. Additionaly, although he has the MAP sensor hanging out over there, it doesn't look like it's actually plumbed in.

Also, post reported to Mods in hope of getting it deleted since it was a threadjack.
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:23 AM   #283
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I know a good bit about cars, but not all the newer things like fuel injection, computers, ABS, or air bags, and I want to change some things, but Best to find out what you are doing and what it will affect before attempting things, and when you get a result like you did, put things back the way they were till you find out what you did. Things can go wrong on their own, without helping them.

You Need the MAF sensor that was in the intake tube, right after the box with the air filter. I'm just learning what it does, and figured it was there for a reason. DON'T get Creative till you Know that you can, or have No other choice, and then find out what caused the problems. Don't learn the Hard Way..((

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Old 05-10-2008, 09:12 AM   #284
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here's another question, would the same results be given if we use the intake elbow instead of the fender resonator?

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Old 05-10-2008, 11:16 AM   #285
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here's another question, would the same results be given if we use the intake elbow instead of the fender resonator?

Yes, that overpriced elbow would still cause the problem.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:07 PM   #286
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what problem is that?

My Ebay CAI came in today. Looks pretty short to reach the MAF, and only has one rubber collar, and it is black.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:08 PM   #287
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what problem is that?

My Ebay CAI came in today. Looks pretty short to reach the MAF, and only has one rubber collar, and it is black.
Read the damned thread or don't ask questions. If you can't be bothered to read at least the first post, then don't waste our time.


EDIT: Unless you're trying to say your parts for the hybrid came in, in which case, ignore my crankyness.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:59 PM   #288
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Read the damned thread or don't ask questions. If you can't be bothered to read at least the first post, then don't waste our time.


EDIT: Unless you're trying to say your parts for the hybrid came in, in which case, ignore my crankyness.
Yo!! Lighten up...))) YES, parts for the Hybrid. You said to get the 3" dia CAI on Ebay to make it, and that's what I got. Looks like it needs to be extended a couple inches, so shouldn't be a big problem. Looking at the tube you used it looks way shorter, but that seems to have a different bend.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:46 PM   #289
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Alright, read every fricking page of this thread, and attempted to wrap my pea sized brain around this concept. I understand all the correlations of the Waves to MAF issue. I know what I would need to make this work, and will look into prices.

Now, I did not see this directly addressed, and looking at the engine bay of my 06 2.5i and how well Subaru managed to jam everything in there I would see why, would there be an issue with ramming air into the the jug? I don't know if that will change characteristics by forcing air from a different path or not?

As for actually doing that (ramming air that is), that looks like it would be a challenge to say the least. Stealing a previous poster's image:

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From what I can see here, and what I looked at... the best possible way to add any semblance of air ramming is to go through a hole underneat the headlight assembly. Or just drill 'speed holes' into the hood and add a scoop...but that's entirely your choice

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Old 05-10-2008, 07:59 PM   #290
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Alright, read every fricking page of this thread
Thank you, and I'm not being sarcastic.

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Now, I did not see this directly addressed, and looking at the engine bay of my 06 2.5i and how well Subaru managed to jam everything in there I would see why, would there be an issue with ramming air into the the jug? I don't know if that will change characteristics by forcing air from a different path or not?
Someone did knock around the idea of cutting the intake leg off the snorkus and attempting to run hosing directly from the fog light opening to the "port" the cutting would create in the snorkus. In theory, this would provide cold, pressurized air directly to the snorkus. I'm not sure the pressurization would work, however, as the snorkus has some holes in it to let water out. As, I think, does the airbox. Not sure if that's what you're thinking of doing or not.
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Thank you, and I'm not being sarcastic.


Someone did knock around the idea of cutting the intake leg off the snorkus and attempting to run hosing directly from the fog light opening to the "port" the cutting would create in the snorkus. In theory, this would provide cold, pressurized air directly to the snorkus. I'm not sure the pressurization would work, however, as the snorkus has some holes in it to let water out. As, I think, does the airbox. Not sure if that's what you're thinking of doing or not.

That was indeed the meat of my theory. If there are holes in either one, that would reduce positive effects. I guess one benefit that could be pulled away from that is you'd be pushing an optimum amount of cold air into the intake tract versus the swirling hot air that I'm sure is cycling in that engine bay from going through the radiator. I'll probably look into other options since I hate having my car look much different than stock, but I'd still like to create an optimum environment for the engine.

Ohh by the way, I bet a lightweight flywheel and/or lightened crank would make the bog in a CAI/SRI setup just horrid. I'm running stock everything and with just a Lightened crank, the bog is just hideous from 1,500 - 2k RPM's...with Snorkus. If I did a CAI I'd probably be glazing my clutch to stay out of that zone Oddly enough, my 05 RS did NOT have this bog down issue.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:29 PM   #292
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Put my stock airbox back in with the 3" aluminum intake piping. Now minivans don't beat me off the line at traffic lights. Amazing. I tried to put my snorkus in, and realized the snorkus that was in my garage was from another person's car and it didn't fit. Either way, car is running better with the stock box than it did with the open filter.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:31 PM   #293
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Either way, car is running better with the stock box than it did with the open filter.
Now that I have no explanation for
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:49 PM   #294
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Oddly enough, my 05 RS did NOT have this bog down issue.
My experience exactly, have other '05 owners noticed the same?
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:54 PM   #295
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My experience exactly, have other '05 owners noticed the same?
I believe the changes between the 05 and 06 are to blame. From what I have researched (a long time ago, accuracy is subject to change) the 06 i's got a different map and spicier cams for a bit more topend HP, detracting slightly from low RPM range performance. I don't know if this would affect it, but the 06 has EL headers versus the RS having UEL headers.

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Old 05-10-2008, 09:52 PM   #296
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It could be a perception thing. Look at a graph of my 05 vs my 06 completely stock:


Since the 06 keeps building, it could just be that it feels bad at low RPM in comparison to high RPM.
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^ it could be. The biggest difference for me between the 2 is pulling out at an intersection. It was much easier in the 05 for some reason. Same clutching, it's just the 06 will bog down before 2k...almost like there is a programming fault and throttle is not being told to open, even though I hear the intake open (throttle body I presume) at WOT. Almost as if you were trying to pull out with the A/C on in the 05... just didn't go for whatever reason.

I will confirm the 06 has without a doubt a much nicer topend to it.
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^ it could be. The biggest difference for me between the 2 is pulling out at an intersection. It was much easier in the 05 for some reason. Same clutching, it's just the 06 will bog down before 2k...almost like there is a programming fault and throttle is not being told to open, even though I hear the intake open (throttle body I presume) at WOT. Almost as if you were trying to pull out with the A/C on in the 05... just didn't go for whatever reason.

I will confirm the 06 has without a doubt a much nicer topend to it.
The throttle mapping is VERY different in the 05 and 06. In the first little bit of pedal travel, the 05 is actually opening the throttle MUCH faster than the 06. That could explain the difference in feeling too.

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Hey Williaty (or any knowledgeable person), I hate to bug you more, but I have found what I believe to be the best compromise for a RAM system going into the snorkus.

The plan is to get the cheapy Autozone 3" accordion style intake hose for 20$. It should have enough length to accomplish this, but I've no idea at this point, this is all theoretical planning. I'll attach that to the snorkus and remove the black front piece (I have it scooted to the side in the below pics) and run it above the power steering fluid reservoir (yellow top). Once it is over top of the reservoir, I will drop it down and slowly curve it down and under towards the outside left fender (when looking into the engine bay). Down there, it has a plastic fender piece designed no doubt to keep excess dirt from the engine bay. I plan to cut an appropriate oval shap to fit the 3" tubing through the plastic fender and into the fender behind the fog lights.

here is the part I'm not sure about. At this point, we are in a semi-open space, where the side insert of the bumper goes into when opened. I think my favorite idea is to cut an opening in the BOTTOM plastic and run some sort of scoop to pull up air from the underside of the car.

This is where my question is; Do you guys think and underside scoop would be bad juju for a DD car? I was thinking of leaving it unattached to the snorkus, but having it run to directly infront of the snorkus (Maybe a 1 inch gap) in order to see if it pulls up too much water and debris, but do you think a scoop would pull too much water/debris/small babies in?

Picture 1 - Top view of reservoir, snorkus entry, and hole between timing belt and radiator



Picture 2 - Closer look at hole where I propose to drop down the piping leading into the front bumper/fender area



Picture 3 - Picture of the opening to get into the front fender area where I propose to run the line through



picture 4 - Picture of the opening (when I have pulled it apart a little) in which I will cut through the plastic piece in order to run the intake hose.



In the previous pics, it looks as though it might get close to the exhaust, but I feel that the air will be fine while moving forward, my only concern would be melting the intake line while in traffic...exhausts have a habit of getting hot. I might McGiver(sp?) up a heat shield if I feel it is a risk.

Just cleaned my engine bay (Armor All Tire foam FTW!) and ignore the bumper damage...the ground overwhelmed my twinky strength suspension and attacked me.

One more thing, is there a site I can get the intake pieces for the hybrid intake that doesn't need Paypal. I want to kill Paypal with a lead sppon and some bleach

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Try it and see what happens is the best thing I can suggest. The only thing is that accordion tube doesn't flow well for a given size. You might want to try 4" instead of 3".
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