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Old 06-18-2019, 12:33 PM   #51
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After seeing more on the road, I'm not really feeling this new-gen styling either. That weird front fascia (largely due to the grille) and lobster claw tails... I actually think the final year of the last gen looked a lot better.

They actually list LED plate lamp as a change? What's next? Showcasing new and improved windshield washer fluid from the factory? lol
we traded a 2017 touring for the 2019 touring.. old car had much better looking wheels and the new ones matte chrome mirrors are offputting.. plus that back end lobstah look is gross. BUTTTT the inside is way better and makes up for it and more.
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  • Rear Seat Reminder standard across Forester line
  • Enhanced EyeSight® Driver Assist Technology adds Lane Centering and Lane Departure Prevention
  • Available segment-exclusive DriverFocus safety technology

Subaru of America, Inc. today announced pricing on the 2020 Forester model line. Introduced in 2019, the fifth-generation Forester SUV offers the most space, capability and features in its 23-year history. For 2020, all Foresters come standard with the award-winning Subaru EyeSight Driver Assist Technology, which has added a Lane Centering function and new Lane Departure Prevention.

Also new for 2020, all Foresters include Rear Seat Reminder. Designed to help prevent child and/or pet entrapment, the system will alert the driver to check the rear seat before exiting the vehicle.

On August 1st, Subaru of America reported its 92nd consecutive month of year-over-year sales increases, which include six consecutive years of more than 10,000 Foresters sold monthly. July also marked a milestone for the iconic Forester SUV, which celebrated its two-millionth sale.

The 2020 Subaru Forester will be offered in five trim levels when it arrives at retailers this fall: Base, Premium, Sport, Limited and Touring. Pricing on the Forester begins at $24,495.

Every Forester is equipped with standard Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive and is powered by a 2.5-liter SUBARU BOXER® engine. The direct-injection engine produces 182 hp and 176 lb-ft of torque and is paired with a standard Lineartronic® CVT (continuously variable transmission). The powertrain delivers up to 33 mpg highway fuel economy. This powertrain offers up to 1,500-lb. towing capacity and standard Trailer Stability Assist.

Standard driver-selectable Subaru Intelligent Drive (SI-DRIVE) adds more flexibility for driving conditions, allowing the driver to tailor the vehicle’s throttle characteristics by choosing between “Intelligent” and “Sport” modes (Sport Sharp on Forester Sport). “Intelligent” mode helps smooth out accelerator inputs for fuel saving, while “Sport” and “Sport Sharp” modes tune the throttle response to emphasize performance.

Forester is known for its legendary value, and the 2020 model is no exception, equipped with a long list of standard features that includes: SUBARU STARLINK™ Multimedia system with high-resolution touchscreen, smartphone integration with Apple CarPlay™, Android™ Auto and STARLINK apps; audio and Bluetooth® control switches on the steering wheel; dual USB ports in the front center console; power windows with auto-up/auto-down on driver’s window; power door locks that automatically lock when the vehicle is in motion; power side mirrors; multi-function display with digital clock, outside temperature and fuel economy information; remote keyless entry; security system with engine immobilizer; and combination meter with color LCD. New for 2020, the Tire Pressure Monitoring System has been upgraded with automatic individual wheel I.D. registration.

The entry-level Forester comes standard with 17-inch steel wheels with 225/60R17 all-season tires and 4-wheel disc brakes with ABS. The exterior has body-color door handles and front, rear and side underguards. For added convenience at night, welcome lighting activates when the driver approaches or exits the vehicle.

The Base trim offers an option package with 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels in silver finish and roof rails for an MSRP of only $600.

Now standard on Premium trim, the All-Weather Package includes heated front seats, heated exterior mirrors and windshield de-icer. On top of Base, the Premium adds 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels in black with machine finish, roof rails, roof spoiler in matching body color, dark tint privacy glass and a panoramic power moonroof as standard. For improved off-road performance, the Premium trim offers standard X-MODE with Hill Descent Control. The Premium’s interior is upgraded with leather-wrapped steering wheel with silver stitching; center dash panel trim in black with silver metallic finish; high-grade combination meter with color LCD; high-grade multi-function display; and chrome inner door handles. Additional interior features include a 10-way power driver’s seat with power lumbar support; center console rear seat a/c outlets; cargo area cover; off-delay operation on all power windows; available Wi-Fi hotspot (service required); and the latest SUBARU STARLINK Safety and Security services (with a complimentary 3-year subscription to the Safety Plus package). The Premium is priced from $27,395.

Stepping up to the Premium trim offers more optional equipment including dual USB ports in the rear center console; Blind-Spot Detection with Lane Change Assist and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert and Keyless Access with Push-Button Start. Also available is a power rear gate with automatic close & height memory.

The Sport trim adds unique appearance elements and enhanced standard equipment and is priced at $28,995. Gloss black exterior accents on the fog light trim, rear gate and front grille along with black-finish 18-inch wheels and a rear roof spoiler give Forester Sport a rugged look. Orange accents on the black underguards and roof rail mounts and an orange SPORT badge add a modern, youthful touch. The exclusive interior is a unique dark gray material with orange stitching and accents throughout the cabin.

The Forester Sport exclusively employs a version of SI-DRIVE with Intelligent and Sport Sharp modes and the Lineartronic CVT features a 7-speed manual mode with steering wheel paddle-shift control switches. The Sport trim offers Dual X-Mode for increased capability in a wider range of environmental conditions. Building on the standard equipment of the Forester Premium trim, the Sport also features a high-grade, sport design combination meter for the instrument panel; high-grade multi-function display; LED fog lights; High Beam Assist; exterior mirrors with integrated turn signals; Keyless Access with Push-Button Start and All-Weather Package. LED cargo area lighting and an additional LED light on the inside of the rear gate provides better illumination for loading and unloading cargo.

The Sport trim offers optional equipment including Blind-Spot Detection with Lane Change Assist and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert and a power rear gate with automatic close and height memory. Also available is the 8.0-inch Multimedia Plus system and Harman Kardon® premium sound system with nine speakers and amplifier.

The Limited trim is upgraded with 18-inch aluminum alloy wheels in black with machine finish, exterior mirrors in matching body color with integrated turn signals, fog lights with chrome accent trim, Keyless Access with Push-Button Start and All-Weather Package. The Limited comes equipped with additional driver assist technology including Blind-Spot Detection with Lane Change Assist and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert, High Beam Assist and LED Steering Responsive Headlights. The interior is distinguished by perforated leather-trimmed upholstery, silver metallic with gloss black finish center dash panel trim and leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift lever handle. The Limited comes with additional convenience features including Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control with voice activated controls and dual USB ports in the rear center console. A power rear gate with auto close and height memory is also standard. The 2020 Forester Limited models begin at $31,095.

The Limited offers optional equipment to further enhance safety, comfort and entertainment. Available Reverse Automatic Braking can apply the vehicle’s brakes if an obstacle is detected while reversing. The available heated-steering wheel complements the standard All-Weather Package. Also available is the 8-inch Multimedia Navigation system and Harman Kardon premium sound system with nine speakers and amplifier.

Continuing as the top of the model line, the Forester Touring offers additional features over Limited including CVT with 7-speed manual shift mode and paddle shift switches, Reverse Automatic Braking and 8.0-inch Multimedia Navigation system with Harman Kardon premium sound system. The standard DriverFocus safety system has an added convenience feature of recognizing up to five drivers and remembering their seat and exterior mirror positions as well as climate settings. The exterior of the Touring is distinguished by unique 18-inch alloy wheels in black with machine finish, chrome exterior door handles, satin chrome exterior folding mirrors with integrated turn signal and LED fog lights with chrome trim. The flagship trim level also has sliver metallic finish mounts on the roof rails and on the front, rear and side underguards as well as chrome badges. The interior offers a choice of exclusive Black or Saddle Brown perforated leather trimmed upholstery, 10-way power driver’s seat with 2-position memory (includes power lumbar support), 8-way power front passenger seat and heated rear seats. New for 2020, the Touring model adds new LED cargo-area and dome lights with off-delay as well as rear gate light. The 2020 Touring is priced from $34,595.

SUBARU STARLINK In-Vehicle Technology provides hands-free connectivity and entertainment through the vehicle’s multimedia or navigation system. All STARLINK Multimedia systems for Forester offer a high-resolution touchscreen; smartphone integration with Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, Aha™, Pandora®, and STARLINK apps; Bluetooth hands-free phone and audio streaming connectivity; AM/FM stereo; Rear Vision Camera, single-disc CD player; SiriusXM All Access Radio (4-month free subscription) and SiriusXM Travel Link® (3-year free subscription) and HD Radio® as standard. The 6.5-inch Multimedia system is standard on Base, Premium and Sport trims. The 8.0-inch Multimedia Plus adds voice activated controls for phone and Near Field Communication to the list of features and is optional for Sport and standard for Limited. The top-of-the-line 8.0-inch Multimedia with Navigation adds voice- activated navigation powered by TomTom and over-the-air map updates is an option for Limited and standard for Touring.

The Forester offers an in-vehicle WI-FI hotspot to allow families to maximize the capabilities of the STARLINK Entertainment Anywhere Kit that includes two 9.7-inch iPad® 32GB Wi-Fi models, Harman Kardon Bluetooth headphones and OtterBox® Defender Series iPad cases. The kit is available to all Subaru owners for purchase through a Subaru retail facility. With an MSRP of $970, the kit is a great value.

For safety, security and convenience, SUBARU STARLINK In-Vehicle Technology offers three connected services packages that are among the most affordable in the industry. The STARLINK Safety Plus package includes SOS emergency assistance, enhanced roadside assistance, automatic collision notification, maintenance notifications, monthly vehicle health report and diagnostic alerts (3-year free subscription). For even greater peace of mind, the STARLINK Safety Plus & Security Plus package adds remote engine start with climate control and heated seats, stolen vehicle recovery service, vehicle security alarm notification, remote lock/unlock, remote horn and lights; remote vehicle locator and parenting features including boundary, speed and curfew alerts. The STARLINK Concierge package adds the convenience of in-vehicle assistance with restaurant and hotel reservations, purchasing tickets for sporting/theater events and scheduling service appointments.

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Old 11-17-2019, 06:58 AM   #53
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2020 Subaru Forester vs. Honda CR-V: Compare Crossover SUVs


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Crossover SUVs have replaced the station wagon—and the minivan—as the family carry-all of the now. Not all crossovers are created equally though, and a pair of best-sellers rank among the top-rated family vehicles at The Car Connection.


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Which would we steer you into: the 2020 Honda CR-V or the 2020 Subaru Forester? We wouldn’t direct you away from either, but one earns a higher TCC rating thanks to better looks, performance, and utility.

The 2020 Forester outpoints the 2020 CR-V for styling, something we never thought we’d say about a Subaru. The practical box-like Subies of the past have given way to smoother lines that still look weekend-ready and rugged, with a few fillips on sporty versions that don’t get in the way of its purposeful look. The Forester’s cabin is neatly arranged and looks more substantial than ever. The Honda? It lags with details that seem too busy and mar a sedately handsome shape and a center console that juts into passenger space.

The CR-V yields the passing lane to the Forester, too—but not on the powertrain front. Honda’s 1.5-liter turbo-4 delivers perfectly acceptable acceleration, and its controlled ride sorts out the road with confidence. It’s engineered for highway driving, which the Forester handles with aplomb while it also drops good off-road skills with 8.7 inches of ground clearance and standard all-wheel drive. Sure, its CVT and flat-4 engine leave excitement behind, but the Forester also rides well and steers with a more accurate feel than the Honda.


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The Subaru earns very good EPA ratings of 29 mpg combined; the CR-V’s identical when equipped with all-wheel drive, but a Hybrid model in the offing will nudge 40 mpg, or beat it.

Subaru boxes out the CR-V for interior space, though both make excellent use of their compact footprint. The Forester has excellent front seats, space for three across in back, and 30 cubic feet to store stuff behind the passengers; the CR-V bests it by 10 cubic feet in back for a total of about 40 cubic feet, or 75 cubes with the back seats folded. Both wear interior trim that shames more expensive vehicles.

Both the 2020 CR-V are safety stars, with top ratings from the NHTSA and IIHS and standard automatic emergency braking. The Forester scores extra points from the IIHS for superb headlights.

For $28,405, the 2020 Forester Premium comes with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility, power features, Bluetooth, and cloth upholstery. You’ll pay just a little more than $30,000 for a similarly equipped CR-V, since its base model has only a 5.0-inch display that doesn’t offer those smartphone operating systems.

The latest Forester—our Best Car To Buy 2019—finishes with a TCC Rating of 6.8, while the CR-V isn’t far behind at 6.5. In either case, drivers get a crossover SUV that does nearly everything well, without the minivan stigma of sliding side doors.
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The 2020 Honda CR-V hits right at the heart of many buyers’ needs: comfortable, spacious, quiet, and efficient.
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The 2020 Subaru Forester is an incredible value among compact crossovers and a former Best Car To Buy winner.
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The restyled 2020 CR-V favors mass appeal over outward style.
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The Forester hasn’t changed for 2020 at all. That’s not bad.
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Addition by subtraction this year for the 2020 CR-V; the lone engine option for now is the best.
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The 2020 CR-V excels in hauling people and cargo.
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Comfortable for five with room for plenty of gear, the 2020 Forester is ready for just about anything.
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Great crash-test scores are complemented by exceptional outward vision in the 2020 Honda CR-V.
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Good crash-test data and abundant active safety features make the 2020 Subaru Forester a very safe pick.
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Top 4 CUVs in the US-

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Toyota RAV4 37,499 362,121

Honda CR-V 33,344 314,083

Nissan Rogue 27,082 299,382

Subaru Forester 15,910 147,357


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That Rav4 TRD Offroad looks nice too

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Toyota RAV4 37,499 362,121

Honda CR-V 33,344 314,083

Nissan Rogue 27,082 299,382

Subaru Forester 15,910 147,357


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Top 4 CUVs in the US- Current: Month Year
Toyota RAV4 37,499 362,121

Honda CR-V 33,344 314,083

Nissan Rogue 27,082 299,382

Subaru Forester 15,910 147,357

Current: Month Year

Toyota 188,787 1,968,089 14 manufacturing plants just in the US. A 15th coming in '21

Honda 131,443 1,337,652 12 manufacturing plants just in the US.

Nissan 94,417 1,050,873 4 manufacturing plants just in the US

Subaru 55,531 580,860 3 plants globally

No. Subaru won't ever be #1. They have no intentions of such. People gravitate towards big names.

Rewind 10 years ago and pull those numbers you posted and then see the change(Honda sold more CR-Vs than Subaru sold cars in the US). Again, the Forester wouldn't beat the RAV4 or the CR-V; but, total number of that segment sold, the Forester keeps clawing at market share. If they had more production capacity, it would be even more.

Articles like these surely get in the hands of customers and it'll probably sway a lot of them. But, day in and day out, I ask buyers why they chose Subaru over the other companies. Safety. Comfort. Visibility(I actually lump that with safety). AWD.

I personally disagree about the outside looks. I like the Forester; but, I like the CR-V more.
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Top 4 CUVs in the US-

Current: Month Year

Toyota RAV437,499362,121

Honda CR-V33,344314,083

Nissan Rogue27,082299,382

Subaru Forester15,910147,357




Subaru can’t even make that many Foresters. Considering the incentive information, they probably make more money per Forester than any of those others. Chew on that with your popcorn.
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Subaru isn't even in the conversation to compare. As irrelevant as Mazda to most consumers shopping this segment..
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Toyota RAV4 37,499 362,121

Honda CR-V 33,344 314,083

Nissan Rogue 27,082 299,382

Subaru Forester 15,910 147,357


I'm surprised the Rogue is selling that well - does this include rental sales? I had one as a rental, and it must've been the stripped down base model because that thing had no juice at all. Trying to pass others was a PITA.
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I'm surprised the Rogue is selling that well - does this include rental sales? I had one as a rental, and it must've been the stripped down base model because that thing had no juice at all. Trying to pass others was a PITA.
All Rogues have the same 175 n/a 4 cylinder. Probably the CVT makes it feel non peppier.
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I'm surprised the Rogue is selling that well - does this include rental sales? I had one as a rental, and it must've been the stripped down base model because that thing had no juice at all. Trying to pass others was a PITA.
Shoot. That's a serious DROP in sales. I don't remember when exactly; but, within the last year or so, it was the 2nd best selling vehicle OVERALL. Only behind the F-Series. It even beat out GM and Ram trucks. For a couple/few months. And I am sure that's probably because of rental fleets.
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I'm surprised the Rogue is selling that well - does this include rental sales? I had one as a rental, and it must've been the stripped down base model because that thing had no juice at all. Trying to pass others was a PITA.
The Rogue is an outlier as a vehicle that's not very good but very popular. It's not ugly which is probably the best thing it has going for it and I imagine most people are getting into them for pretty cheap relative to the RAV4, CRV, and Forester.
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Subaru isn’t even in the conversation to compare. As irrelevant as Mazda to most consumers shopping this segment..
Except not. Subaru could easily sell more Foresters if they could make them and especially if they discounted them at the rate the others do, including the CR-V. Subaru would have to kill WRX and Crosstrek to even have enough production to get in the game. Nissan doesn't sell Rogues. It gives them away. Last I looked, Nissan was fleeting nearly 30% of their vehicles.
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The Rogue is an outlier as a vehicle that's not very good but very popular. It's not ugly which is probably the best thing it has going for it and I imagine most people are getting into them for pretty cheap relative to the RAV4, CRV, and Forester.
I looked at it a few years ago, it had some advanced features like top-down surround view. Then I drove it - awful.
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Probably saving money just having one gray. Rear seat reminder is nothing. LED plate lights have been a JDM accessory for years and probably been standard for a minute. temple run
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I like the shape of the Tiguan's R-Line, but the thing is just too slow. If slow is okay, I'd take the Forester Limited trim.
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^^ Was gonna say, if you want slow, the Forester just might be perfect.
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I disagree. Going back to the 80’s they always stood out for their quirky styling. Sometimes handsome in a weird way like the XT or SVX and sometime flat out weird and ugly such as the bug eye Impreza and Tribeca. It’s only been the last decade where they have started to make their entire lineup look bland. WRX’s now look pretty anonymous and even the STI is bland as if it wasn’t for the spoiler you would barely notice it in a lineup of generic compact cars. It’s pretty obvious we are starting to see Toyota influence bleed into the brand.



The Toyotafication comment is pretty spot on. If that's not already a word, it should be. Subaru's quirky breed of handsome seems to be pretty central to the company's whole deal--re: 1968-1970s Italian-looking buggies.
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The Toyotafication comment is pretty spot on. If that's not already a word, it should be. Subaru's quirky breed of handsome seems to be pretty central to the company's whole deal--re: 1968-1970s Italian-looking buggies.
That comment doesn't make sense as Toyota is doing anything but bland these days. Subaru is way more bland than Toyota is.
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I don't understand the Toyotafication comments. If that is true, then why is there no credit to GM for the designs prior to Toyota taking over?
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I don't understand the Toyotafication comments. If that is true, then why is there no credit to GM for the designs prior to Toyota taking over?
Or Nissan before that. It's false equivalency. Makes them feel good by being "right" about an association they can wrap their brain around.
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Toyota is going crazy on their designs right now and I. Am. Here. For. It.

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Hopefully, this model will be better than the previous one.
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I have never liked this refresh over the 14-18. Bigger, bloated, shaped all weird in weird places, stupid ass big grille, stupid ass taillights. And this is saying something, because I’ve never been totally in love with the 14-18 XT’s looks either, but they look a heck of a lot better than this. Don’t get me started on how ghey the Sport trim looks. Hideous, zero class, poor taste etc.
The ONLY thing I want is the new seats.
That said, if it had the new 24DIT plant, I’d already be driving one.
couldn't agree more, it looks like they just put something together last minute while also appealing to Americans who want big bigger biggest and usually have no taste in cars. The red accent on the 'sport' model is laughable. Only VW seems to use the red mascara in good taste. And yes I own a 17 GTI se now. still have my 01 rs tho
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