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11-14-2019, 11:55 PM | #601 |
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Oh yeah... and in that article Attia mentions that fat cell loss doesn’t happen as much in adults. I heard another researcher say that we don’t lose the cells at all. We just empty the fat out of the fat cells. I found that to be a very interesting phenomena. Once your body makes a fat cell, it’s essentially there for life. Crazy....
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11-15-2019, 10:09 AM | #602 |
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That's the idea behind lipo removal. And then you can't get as fat again, right?
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The problem with that approach is that it doesn't address underlying metabolic causes for getting fat in the first place. (Even if they could scoop out visceral fat, my strong guess is that the visceral fat is a symptom of the metabolic anomaly, not the cause of it. Scooping it out wouldn't make one healthy.)
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Blood glucose 66 mg/dL this morning, for the record. That was at 62 hours in.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...07122603005848 But then here's an NEJM one where no effect was shown: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa033179 Interesting. |
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Yeah the tiny studies are a bit hard to interpret.
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That is somewhat true.... the body stuffs cells until they start refusing the storage (insulin resistance), but then the body amps up the insulin, and thus the metabolic problem occurs all over again. Meanwhile the body is generating new fat cells in response. My first comment covers this, however we can't discredit those who go through the process and DO change everything about their eating habits. If they started eating whole foods, lowered carbs, cut out sugar, exercised a little, then those metabolic issues go away. The lipo then becomes what I'd call a jumpstart on the weight loss. Although I find it unecessary, and would NEVER recommend it personally. I'd rather take a slower road and not get cut into. |
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In an effort to 1-UP Shika, I'm going to start performing in home biopsies, submitting myself to needle aspiration and real time metabolic observation.
Despite my wife's disapproval, I've repurposed my kitchen. |
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Comments section knows more about weight loss than Jillian Michaels. You can't really blame her: diet food industry pays her a LOT of money. |
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Almost 70 hours in. Checked sugars a few more times to see if that was a fluke, and got 71 and 67 at two more points.
Time to ride home soon and then start eating, likely around 71 hours. |
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Intermittent and extended fasting thread
I tweeted a thing! (I had never tweeted anything of substance before.) Anyway, it refers to Dave Feldman's Low Carb Cholesterol Challenge.
(This is the same content super condensed from my big lipid post above.) Edit: first point should refer to LDL-C < LDL-P. Last edited by shikataganai; 11-16-2019 at 04:36 PM. |
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Deep thought of the day that I’ve possibly shared before since this occurred to me a few weeks ago:
When I’m into a longer fast and therefore firmly in ketosis with the source of triglycerides endogenous (i.e. my own) fat, said fat will likely have a similar ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 as was in my diet when said fats were deposited initially, months or years ago. (It wouldn’t be exactly the same since there’s probably a constant small flux in and out of any given fat cell.) Eventually my fat deposited and retrieved will be consistently higher omega-3 in the ratio, which speaks to the possibility of a long-term slow benefit from this. |
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Awwww snap. You’re going next level right here. But alas... that conclusion would be too simple and make life too easy. Omegas process differently. So you’ve got to consider how each are stored, which the body might call for at a given time, which processes go into play, and how long each process takes, and how much is being used at that time or circumstance. A good example is a portion the 3’s go to the brain. In a longer fast, your body supports the brain more readily. (This was a beneficial factor for our ancestors as they needed to find food in times of drought. A sharper mind would lend itself to finding food. )Point being is that your body may be calling on one type, one enzyme production, etc., and deplete that faster. And another slower. See where I’m going? The starting balance may be very well correlated with the ratios you had recently consumed. But as you go deeper into the fast that likely would be changed. This article gets to some of the detail about what fat is used for what: https://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/omegafats.php |
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It’s interesting to see sugars rise during a fast. I was thinking that you kind of know where the bottom level is once you see a rise. This is where a continuous glucose monitor would be interesting. I’ll probably go down that road one day for my own curiosity. But they are a couple-few hundred bucks I think. So I’m not THAT interested at the moment. |
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11-17-2019, 11:55 AM | #623 |
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Yeah, a continuous glucose monitor would be interesting indeed. Will look into that in future for sure. The variance from 66-73 etc is well within the +/- 20% error on glucometers anyway.
In related insanity all parts are now in place. Haven’t done my first 40 microliter giant blood prick yet. |
11-17-2019, 02:45 PM | #624 |
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First thoughts with the lipid meter:
- that is a hell of a lot of blood to fill the capillary tube! - my Cholestech unit may be broken. Seems hung on Selftest running so didn’t get to run the cartridge that took so much blood to fill. eBay will hook me up. Re CGM, which Peter Attia in particular is a big fan of, seeking to average 90 mg/dL throughout the day: - Dexcom G6 seems the hot ticket. No calibration needed. - $1,099 unit but it needs $120/pop sensors that last 10 days each. So $12/day in the long term. Will do more reading on these machines and what scant evidence there might be for the longevity/non-diabetic use crowd. |
11-17-2019, 08:57 PM | #625 |
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Turns out the super cheap used-via-eBay machine is indeed properly broken. Back to the seller at their expense it shall go.
All that was wasted on my part was $2.48 between a test cartridge and a pipette/plunger combo. But I do not know of my lipid status at this moment… : sadpanda: |
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