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02-25-2020, 02:14 PM | #26 | |
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02-27-2020, 02:18 PM | #27 |
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It's all about priorities like electrical grid, space heating. So how do they generate the electricity to charge the cars ? USA is lucky we have many rivers to Hydroelectric and even powered much our industrial age with water wheels direct drive to machines. Battery electrics make same pollution just move it to poor neighborhoods who have power plants.
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02-27-2020, 03:34 PM | #28 |
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The UK should focus on left hand drive cars before battery. Think about all the unnecessary parts manufacturing required to create the separate cars to meet their silly requirements. Could save a polar bear with the reduced footprint on the environment.
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02-27-2020, 04:01 PM | #29 | |
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The grid and cars can both get greener at the same time... |
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02-27-2020, 04:01 PM | #30 | |
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02-27-2020, 04:12 PM | #31 |
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I actually agree. Heard the same concerns when increased mpg requirements were announced in the 90's, but industry found a way, despite them saying it wasn't possible to meet. I'm not a big fan of government intervention for the most part, but sometimes it's needed to point commerce in the right direction. I think we all agree less fossil fuel burning is better. Having said that, I think China will be the lead in this regard (I'm sure that they likely are already), mostly because the issue of pollution is much more acute there.
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02-27-2020, 04:42 PM | #32 |
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yes, inefficiently as it is the most expensive electricity in the world. They shut down coal and nuclear before they could. They have had to bring on line more coal to supplement the lack of reliable power.
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02-27-2020, 04:50 PM | #33 | ||
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02-27-2020, 05:01 PM | #34 | ||
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02-27-2020, 05:20 PM | #35 |
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.... has anyone considered how they plan to address the sustainability of the rare metals required for the batteries to make this even remotely viable?
VW, along with a handful of auto manufacturers, have been banding together to try to address this - changing an entire Nation's automotive fleet over will be a monstrous task. There's also the economical side of things, unless the price point of EV cars dramatically drops some people may be unable to afford to buy an EV car. That's not to say their respective government couldn't subsidize it, but at what actual cost? Where's the actual savings here - do they think they'll be able to get China on board? |
02-28-2020, 03:14 AM | #36 |
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Let's not bring that up, we need to spend the next hundred years producing these vehicles before we assess any sort of environmental impact. Then we can all join the cult of what ever comes after EV's.
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02-28-2020, 08:50 AM | #37 | |
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On the subject of infrastructure, time of use plans help a lot. When it costs 1/3 to charge at midnight, people are going to charge at midnight the majority of the time. You just need to have a level 2 charger so that you can juice up within the short window.
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The cost issue depends in large part on scaling up. Think of it this way: if regulations continue on their current path, in 5 years ICE engines will be more expensive (more emissions equipment) and batteries will be cheaper due to larger scale. |
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02-28-2020, 12:28 PM | #38 | |
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EDIT: just an anecdote, put when I was in engineering prep school in Paris, I mentioned blackouts/brownouts to some of the other students and they asked me what I was talking about. Some of these guys had never experienced losing power in 18+ years. That was back in 1996. |
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02-28-2020, 12:42 PM | #39 | |
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Can’t say the same thing about an old gas tank. Edit: Midnight charging? Yup. Our charger is programmed to start after 11. If we need juice now, we just push the on button. Seriously, our Leaf has been the most “don’t have to think about it” car I have owned. More so than an EJ22 early 90’s Subaru. “Is it still clattering? Then there’s still something oil like in it, it’s fine” |
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02-28-2020, 12:58 PM | #40 | |
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I hate to think it will turn into the recycling mess that we have now with consumer products. It's cheaper to produce more plastic from oil than to recycle many plastics. |
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02-28-2020, 01:20 PM | #41 | |
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Ready for a $500. + electric bill ?
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02-28-2020, 01:23 PM | #42 | |
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Some day though, the well will dry up. Oil is not unlimited. Nor are the minerals used in batteries. Landfill mining will become a thing. Might be a long play, but those landfills are likely filled with what will become billions of dollars of goods in the future. |
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02-28-2020, 02:18 PM | #43 |
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Thank God someone but me finally sees this. I'm a firm believer that having more than two children is selfish. The people who preach about environmental concerns and have three or more children are huge hypocrites.
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02-28-2020, 03:17 PM | #44 | |
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To be clear, I am not in agreement. Not saying that the population isn't a problem, but that people who are environmental stewards and have more than 2 kids aren't the "root" of the problem. Overpopulation is only a problem because of societies reliance on things like personal transportation. And the younger generations are solving those issues. Once the old guard moves on, things will get better. But until then, we're stuck in this world controlled by people who still want to live like they did when they were kids... Last edited by dwf137; 02-28-2020 at 03:23 PM. |
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02-28-2020, 04:02 PM | #45 | |
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01-04-2021, 12:22 PM | #47 |
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Knowing my luck I will finally get an EV and the tree huggers will have unearthed some fatal flaw in them that is ruining the planet causing little girls to get mad on TV, governments to scramble up new unattainable laws, and politicians/elitists to capitalize financially. Rinse and repeat.
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