Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Subaru Models > Forester Forum

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-04-2006, 12:04 PM   #26
Peaty
Techno Sapien
Moderator
 
Member#: 449
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Lawrence, KS
Vehicle:
2019 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red

Default

Made it a sticky
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Peaty is offline  
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 01-07-2006, 03:24 PM   #27
immortal_suby
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1711
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Greenville, SC
Vehicle:
140 rogue points!
2013 GBS BRZ Limited 6MT

Default

Just did mine and sure enough, both filters were down in the banjo bolt hole. Thanks for the thread, Peaty. She is idling much smoother now.
immortal_suby is offline  
Old 01-07-2006, 05:34 PM   #28
SirWilliam
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 64805
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: The Wild Serengeti Suburbs
Vehicle:
2008 SG6 Model D
BlueRallyWorld

Default

Just did mine...yup, both had fallen out. Real easy took about 20 min.

IMPORTANT TOOL: 3 prong grabber that comes in those computer toolkits for picking up fallen screws in hard to reach areas.

This tool makes it take only 1 second to grab the fallen filter and get it out w/o worrying about it falling.

Peaty the tool is found in this Basic Computer maintenance tool kit (the yellow one 3rd from the left):

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0205824

Not sure the name of the tool...think it is the "parts retrieval claw".
SirWilliam is offline  
Old 01-07-2006, 10:50 PM   #29
Peaty
Techno Sapien
Moderator
 
Member#: 449
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Lawrence, KS
Vehicle:
2019 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red

Default

I have a pair of hemostats I used from my Tox. days I also have one of thos small 3 pronged grabbers too in my PC kit.
Peaty is offline  
Old 01-08-2006, 10:02 AM   #30
capecod_wrx
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 43277
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Cape Cod, MA --> Austin, TX
Vehicle:
'08 VDub R32

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jfrankon
That's true, Peaty. Taking you initial advise, I poked around with the needle nose pliers until I "felt" them and then grasped and pulled. With my naked eyes (don't have great vision) I could NOT see them at all in the banjo (but sure enough they were both in there!)

Moral of this story: Search and you shall find
I went filter fishing this morning - but I didn't catch anything.

I started with the passenger side. Once the bolt was out - I took a look. Very little oil was inside of the banjo - and I could see all the way down into the bolt. I didn't see any filter. I used a small 2mm allen wrench to fish around - but didn't feel or see anything.

The drivers side had a pool of oil inside the bolt. I fished around with my allen wrench - but also did not feel or find anything.
capecod_wrx is offline  
Old 01-10-2006, 11:34 AM   #31
Jfrankon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 20254
Join Date: Jun 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2010 VW GTI
2013 Outback 3.6R

Default

capecod_wrx:

How far in were you able to insert the allen wrench into the bolt? IIRC, the filter should inhibit you from pobing too deep.. so if you stick the wrench in the bolt, you should be able to hit the top of the filter pretty quickly. The hard part is finding the edges of the filter and bolt (where the side of the bolt ends and the side of the filter begins). This is where you need to insert your wrench and pull up the filter. Perhaps 2mm is too big to seperate the filter from the wall of the bolt??
Jfrankon is offline  
Old 01-10-2006, 12:36 PM   #32
SirWilliam
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 64805
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: The Wild Serengeti Suburbs
Vehicle:
2008 SG6 Model D
BlueRallyWorld

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by capecod_wrx
I went filter fishing this morning - but I didn't catch anything.

I started with the passenger side. Once the bolt was out - I took a look. Very little oil was inside of the banjo - and I could see all the way down into the bolt. I didn't see any filter. I used a small 2mm allen wrench to fish around - but didn't feel or see anything.

The drivers side had a pool of oil inside the bolt. I fished around with my allen wrench - but also did not feel or find anything.
That is b/c the filters had dropped down inside...all you will see is a flat, round black top of the filter...this is where I used the 3 prong "Parts retrieval claw" from my egghead computer tool kit. I am sure your filters are still in there which is impeding the oil flow.

Last edited by SirWilliam; 01-10-2006 at 01:24 PM.
SirWilliam is offline  
Old 01-10-2006, 12:53 PM   #33
Peaty
Techno Sapien
Moderator
 
Member#: 449
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Lawrence, KS
Vehicle:
2019 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red

Default

It's very likely the filter is not in the union bolt but in the banjo bolt spot down on the motor, it's tricky to see:



It gets forced out:

Peaty is offline  
Old 01-10-2006, 01:39 PM   #34
capecod_wrx
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 43277
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Cape Cod, MA --> Austin, TX
Vehicle:
'08 VDub R32

Default

thanks for the replies guys... i will take another look this weekend and will post an update - with some pictures if they come out.

i could see well inside the banjo on the passenger side. (there was very little oil in there...) jfrankton - my allen key could go all the way down inside of the banjo and bottom out. i didn't see any black plastic.

now on the other side - there was more oil. it was all pooled up - so i really couldn't see anything. i tried fishing with the allen key - but really didn't poke around that much because i was afraid i could damage the filter screen and then not be able to remove it.

by the looks of peaty's pictures - i take it you use the needle nose, (or 3-prong) , to grab the top of the filter - which is made of plastic. is the diameter of the filter just slightly smaller than the banjo?

thanks again guys.
capecod_wrx is offline  
Old 01-10-2006, 01:48 PM   #35
SirWilliam
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 64805
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: The Wild Serengeti Suburbs
Vehicle:
2008 SG6 Model D
BlueRallyWorld

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by capecod_wrx
thanks for the replies guys... i will take another look this weekend and will post an update - with some pictures if they come out.

i could see well inside the banjo on the passenger side. (there was very little oil in there...) jfrankton - my allen key could go all the way down inside of the banjo and bottom out. i didn't see any black plastic.

now on the other side - there was more oil. it was all pooled up - so i really couldn't see anything. i tried fishing with the allen key - but really didn't poke around that much because i was afraid i could damage the filter screen and then not be able to remove it.

by the looks of peaty's pictures - i take it you use the needle nose, (or 3-prong) , to grab the top of the filter - which is made of plastic. is the diameter of the filter just slightly smaller than the banjo?

thanks again guys.
I would suggest using the 3 prong b/c the pliers has the ability to scrape some of the plastic/metal off as you try to grab it...and the 3 prong just works better/easier.

Just my 2 cents.
SirWilliam is offline  
Old 01-10-2006, 05:09 PM   #36
SuperRuWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 4955
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: L5P's (Atlanta,GA)
Vehicle:
2004 FXT
OffRoadSubarus.com

Default

I had good luck using this pair of thin needle nose pliers and a small flashlight.



BTW, Thanks Peaty.
Both of my filters had dropped and idling has now improved.
SuperRuWRX is offline  
Old 01-23-2006, 06:21 AM   #37
zhe wiz
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7943
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Central NY
Vehicle:
2011 Silver OBS
92 Eclipse 11.8 @ 119

Default One Dropped, One Didn't

I changed the oil in my 32,000 mile '04 XT yesterday and decided to yank the filters while I had the hood open. The passenger side filter actually had NOT dropped out, until I pried it out that is. It was in there pretty good and wasn't easy to extract.

The driver's side had fallen out and was much easier to remove. Both filters were in excellent condition, fortunately.

Jack Z
zhe wiz is offline  
Old 01-26-2006, 11:47 AM   #38
s. tyrone
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 57752
Join Date: Mar 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Down South/Atlanta
Vehicle:
2013 Legacy Limited
Ice Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperRuWRX
I had good luck using this pair of thin needle nose pliers and a small flashlight.



BTW, Thanks Peaty.
Both of my filters had dropped and idling has now improved.
Hey Richard, any chance we could talk about this, I'm a little fuzzy from the post. Please PM me if you would. Best, Stephen
s. tyrone is offline  
Old 01-30-2006, 12:38 PM   #39
ez bturbo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 56048
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Aiken, SC
Vehicle:
2004 baja turbo 5spd
black/dark gray

Default

I dont have rough idle (although I may not be able to judge that well since I also drive a pair of modified camaros that both idle really rough), but I do have severe hesitation and, well see this post:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&goto=newpost
I will do this, but would that actually be a likely cause of my problem?
ez bturbo is offline  
Old 02-03-2006, 02:52 AM   #40
rim3
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 62494
Join Date: May 2004
Location: San Antonio, TX
Vehicle:
2004 Forester XT
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ez bturbo
I dont have rough idle (although I may not be able to judge that well since I also drive a pair of modified camaros that both idle really rough), but I do have severe hesitation and, well see this post:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&goto=newpost
I will do this, but would that actually be a likely cause of my problem?
That sounds a bit like what I'm experiencing with my FXT. It's been really.... slow... lately. I don't have a boost gauge, but it seems to be lacking boost. The rough idle is a random, yet frequent, occurance. I noticed it, but dismissed it, because it didn't feel or sound bad. My engine started to suffer at about 25k and now seems to really be suffering at 33k. I'll be pulling those things out this weekend!!! We'll see what it does.
rim3 is offline  
Old 02-03-2006, 09:12 AM   #41
Corkfish
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 39503
Join Date: Jul 2003
Default

If you haven't already done it, changing your spark plugs might help as well.
Corkfish is offline  
Old 02-03-2006, 09:26 AM   #42
ez bturbo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 56048
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Aiken, SC
Vehicle:
2004 baja turbo 5spd
black/dark gray

Default

sparkplugs were changed 3k miles ago, didnt fix the problem.
ez bturbo is offline  
Old 02-03-2006, 02:57 PM   #43
dads_cruizzzer
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 61724
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Southern California
Vehicle:
04 FXT
silver

Default

I did mine during the Christmas break - both have dropped.
What other model cars/year have these filters? I know a few suby owners who don't surf the forums and I would like to inform them if it applies to their motor.
dads_cruizzzer is offline  
Old 02-03-2006, 03:45 PM   #44
pleiad7
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 71056
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Forester central
Vehicle:
MY04 Forester XT
PSM

Default

All MY04 2.5L turbo engines (STi, FXT, Baja).
pleiad7 is offline  
Old 02-03-2006, 04:06 PM   #45
Peaty
Techno Sapien
Moderator
 
Member#: 449
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Lawrence, KS
Vehicle:
2019 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red

Default

and some 05's
Attached Images
File Type: jpg filter.jpg (14.9 KB, 66 views)
Peaty is offline  
Old 02-05-2006, 09:56 AM   #46
capecod_wrx
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 43277
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Cape Cod, MA --> Austin, TX
Vehicle:
'08 VDub R32

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jfrankon
capecod_wrx:

How far in were you able to insert the allen wrench into the bolt? IIRC, the filter should inhibit you from pobing too deep.. so if you stick the wrench in the bolt, you should be able to hit the top of the filter pretty quickly.
I tried again this morning...and tried the driver's side first. This time there was very little oil visible. Again - I could see all the way down into the inside where the bolt goes. I used my allen key for starters to see if I could 'feel' the top of the filter. I felt nothing - and was able to put the key all the way down inside.





I put my finger on top of the banjo against the allen key to measure how far down the key went.



Quote:
Originally Posted by SirWilliam
That is b/c the filters had dropped down inside...all you will see is a flat, round black top of the filter...
I was expecting to hit the top of the filter. Is it possible that my FXT never got these filters?

Last edited by capecod_wrx; 02-06-2006 at 08:37 AM.
capecod_wrx is offline  
Old 02-05-2006, 10:36 AM   #47
dads_cruizzzer
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 61724
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Southern California
Vehicle:
04 FXT
silver

Default

Excuse this stupid question - Did you check the banjo bolt? Yours might not have dropped yet.
dads_cruizzzer is offline  
Old 02-05-2006, 10:41 AM   #48
capecod_wrx
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 43277
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Cape Cod, MA --> Austin, TX
Vehicle:
'08 VDub R32

Default

That was the first thing I checked - on both sides... No filters were there either.
capecod_wrx is offline  
Old 02-05-2006, 11:35 AM   #49
Peaty
Techno Sapien
Moderator
 
Member#: 449
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Lawrence, KS
Vehicle:
2019 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red

Default

If you went in that far I don't think you had them, mine were right up by the top of the hole. Since your car is running well I don't think they are in the system anywhere.
Peaty is offline  
Old 02-05-2006, 11:54 AM   #50
Hondaslayer
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 4562
Join Date: Feb 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Auburn, WA
Vehicle:
2014 Electric Datsun
2005 Adventure van

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rim3
That sounds a bit like what I'm experiencing with my FXT. It's been really.... slow... lately. I don't have a boost gauge, but it seems to be lacking boost. The rough idle is a random, yet frequent, occurance. I noticed it, but dismissed it, because it didn't feel or sound bad. My engine started to suffer at about 25k and now seems to really be suffering at 33k. I'll be pulling those things out this weekend!!! We'll see what it does.

Mine was done about 2 weeks ago and the idle still has the Suby shake but it is not as viloent.


And at 33k just let the dealer do it. You are still under warranty.
Hondaslayer is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
04 XT owners FYI Peaty Forester Forum 0 11-19-2005 05:38 PM
Any NJ XT owners Ibizan Forester Forum 0 06-07-2003 12:05 PM
It's official, I'm an XT owner! Ibizan Forester Forum 33 06-03-2003 11:03 PM
('93-'01) Calling all XT owners Kevin Thomas Impreza Forum 3 05-21-2001 06:41 AM
Any XT owners out there? I have a [Q] Peaty General Forum Archive 0 10-22-2000 06:39 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.