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09-21-2020, 04:53 PM | #1 |
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Best 200ish treadwear UHP tires for cooler/cold dry weather?
I just picked up a set of 2011-2014 WRX wheels as my track/autocross/touge "grippier" setup for my daily wagon, and would like to get some UHP tires mounted up.
Likely to be mostly aggressive street miles for bits of the summer, winter trackcross series at Summit Point and maybe a trip down to Tail of the Dragon etc sometime late fall/early spring. Anybody have any recommendations for 225-235 in 17" diameter that either warm up quick and/or don't totally suck in 40-50 degree Fahrenheit ambient temps? Ideally something semi-long wearing and somewhat inexpensive, as I already have a dedicated track car that sucks up most of my money
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09-21-2020, 10:15 PM | #2 |
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federal rsr in a 235 40 17 is a good choice, when yu say track tire are you thinking auto cross or real track days
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09-21-2020, 11:40 PM | #3 |
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2NDED... Not crazy money.. and unless your going for the OA Pax title these should do you good.. they work in 50's plus weather.. used them on my BRZ nationally..
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09-22-2020, 09:49 AM | #4 |
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I would suggest the Conti ECS or Michelin PS4S. The Conti is cheaper, but works well for what you're after and will work down to just above freezing. It's about 1.5 seconds off the top 200 TW tires on a 60 second autox course, but if you're not going for times, they're pretty awesome. Bonus is they are excellent rain tires and here in the south I run them 365 days a year.
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09-22-2020, 10:21 AM | #5 | ||
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I already have a dedicated wheel/tire setup for daily duty the majority of the year. |
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09-22-2020, 10:27 AM | #6 |
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I haven't ran on the RSR, but have on the Falken 615 and the ECS would be better than the 615 in cold. It's almost as good in hotter temps as well. The new 660 is stickier and faster, but seems to be more in line with other 200 tw tires where it's not great below 60 degrees.
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09-22-2020, 07:18 PM | #7 | |
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09-23-2020, 01:21 PM | #8 | ||
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I'm intrigued by the Federal Rs-R and the new Falken 660, mostly due to their lower cost. Don't think I'm gonna track hard or often enough to wear them out in a season or two, but haven't hammered on the camber challenged wagon too much yet. Surprisingly, I'm wearing the outer edges with hard cornering almost as fast as the inner edges are wearing set at -2.0 camber in 35k miles of mostly street driving with the occasional trackcross/autocross a few times a year, and a fair amount of "twisty road" driving. Last edited by WhiteZombie; 09-23-2020 at 01:39 PM. |
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09-23-2020, 01:33 PM | #9 |
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My Pilot Super Sports lasted over 35,000 miles and the ones on Ford's cars were great on the cold dry track even while snowflakes were falling. This was near Salt Lake City. I have 30,000 miles on my 4S now and they are as good if just a little bit squirmier. Minimal drop off in grip as temps go down.
I have no idea how they stack up against the other tires listed. I've stuck with Michelin. |
10-05-2020, 11:01 AM | #10 | |
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https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...ot+Super+Sport |
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10-12-2020, 01:52 PM | #11 |
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Isn't the PSS 4s the one people mostly refer to?
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Pilot+Sport+4S |
10-12-2020, 03:16 PM | #12 | |
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Still torn..... ahhh..... spend $130/tire for something stickier in warmer weather, or $200/tire for something a little more well rounded from the sound of it. |
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10-12-2020, 03:28 PM | #13 | |
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PSS or MPSS = Pilot Super Sport (the older tire) PS4S = Pilot Sport 4S (the newer tire) Both of these Michelins are nominally 300 treadwear tires, but they do punch a bit above the 300 class as a whole. The Michelin tire that's closest to 200 treadwear is the Pilot Sport Cup 2 (PSC2). But they're only 180, which makes them not class-legal where there is a 200 treadwear minimum. Norm Last edited by Norm Peterson; 10-12-2020 at 03:33 PM. |
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10-13-2020, 12:17 PM | #14 | |
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Are you aware of any differences between the PSS or PS4S? As much as I'd like a cheap 200tw sticky, anything is gonna be better than 2 year old 500tw all-seasons I've been running at the occasional trackcross or more frequent spirited twisty drive. Since I supposed I'm primarily buying these for my daily in an "off-season" trip down to Tail of the Dragon and/or "off-season" winter trackcross, both of which could have some wildly unknown weather/temperature variables, the Michelin seems like a smart choice. I've got a different track car with 200tw for the other 3/4 of the year. |
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10-13-2020, 12:42 PM | #15 | |
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The PS4S is more capable as a performance tire and comes with a little shallower tread depth. It's also more sensitive to cold temperatures, and comes with a more specific warning than the PSS. Below 20°F is a no-no for the PS4s due to some risk of cracking that isn't warrantable, but this warning hasn't been extended back to the PSS.
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I've run the PSS at temperatures down into the teens F without issue, but I don't think I'd run the PS4S much below 32F. Norm |
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10-13-2020, 01:07 PM | #16 | |
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I wouldn't be driving the car in temps below freezing regardless, as I can always drive down to ToD or Summit Point on my all-seasons and swap them to the "track" setup once I'm there. Pretty sure the daytime temps down there aren't much, if at all below freezing, and the trackcross series cancels for freezing and/or snowy weather if I remember correctly. |
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10-14-2020, 11:25 AM | #17 |
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Does anyone have experience with the Falken RT660?
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10-14-2020, 12:33 PM | #18 |
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That's my other candidate.
Had the 615K+ on my track car and loved them for the price, but never really drove them in the "cold" per se. I think the coldest event I did was VIR last year in February. 40's to start in the first morning session, and it only took maybe a lap for them to feel like the came up to temp, but that's under a 3900lb car with big torque and grabby pads. A few others have chimed in and said they 660 seems to be similar to the Re71R in the cold, ie, not awesome. As previously mentioned though, I'd have to imagine they'd still be a big jump from my 500tw all-seasons once they get a little temp in them ? |
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