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01-05-2021, 04:10 PM | #1 |
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3576 Gen 2 too big for a 2.14 stroker?
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Just wanted to ask a quick few questions to you fine people while my tuner is on vacation and I await his reply. I can pickup a used Spoolinator 3576 kit (.82 A/R) for a decent deal right now and was curious if a high revving 2.14L closed deck motor would be extremely laggy or have decent response when paired with that turbo if anyone has experience. The goal of the build will be a redline of 8K+. Also just as a side qustions, for a high revving build, would you guys choose a 2.1 stroker or a destroked 2.3 and why? Build will feature: Outfront Motorsport 2.14L closed deck short-block EJ207 Big port Spec C heads Undecided on cams currently and associating valvetrain Killer B holy header ETS FMIC Let me know if I need to provide any more information about the build or if there are any threads addressing the 3576 with a low displacement setup because I couldn't find any.
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01-05-2021, 06:28 PM | #2 | |
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so I have a 2.1 stroker with v9 heads and a spoolinator. I have a 3067 with a .82ar and it really doesnt make power til 4000..maybe a little earlier. I can only imagine that that thing wont spool til 4500. If I were to go that route, I would go with the smaller .ar to get that thing spooling earlier. I even thought about going with s 3071 gen 2 and a smaller hotside to see if that would give me a little more power also know that if you decide to go with the spoolinator, you will have to shave the block a bit to get it to fit pm me if you want more info |
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01-05-2021, 06:31 PM | #3 | |
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Do you think 2000cc Injectors would have idle issues on a motor like this? |
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01-05-2021, 07:25 PM | #4 |
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01-06-2021, 12:09 AM | #5 |
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Fair enough, I assumed as much. And I think if I do run this setup I will likely stick with the .82 A/R that the setup is currently equipped with as to not choke out the turbo up top. The goal of this build is big power in the high RPM range. AVCS and the increase in displacement should hopefully make the difference and allow the setup to spool decently. Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-06-2021 at 01:03 AM. |
01-09-2021, 03:11 PM | #6 | |
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01-09-2021, 03:16 PM | #7 | |
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01-09-2021, 03:19 PM | #8 |
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I snagged the kit!
Probably gonna stick with the .82 A/R unless I have a compelling reason otherwise considering high RPM is the goal and it should flow well enough at 8.5K... Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-09-2021 at 03:40 PM. |
01-09-2021, 03:24 PM | #9 |
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Nice! If you need a non-Subaru reference, an AP2 S2000 with the 2.16L F22c and GTX3576 should be very similar. Same generation engine basically, early 2000s, no fancy variable valve timing to improve spool-up, port injection. I mean, not much flows like the heads on the F20/F22 on the top-end, but the spool-up would be similar I imagine.
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01-09-2021, 03:41 PM | #10 | |
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Thanks for your suggestions! Super excited to see what this setup can do once the built motor is done. Hopefully AVCS on the 207 heads can help at least a little with spool. Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-09-2021 at 04:03 PM. |
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01-09-2021, 10:25 PM | #11 |
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You probably snagged the kit right out of my hands. Was just about to buy the used killer b kit on here. Someone bought it the night before.
Looks like we are building someone very similar. I too am building a closed deck destroker but a 2.3. Clint from TiC will be building it for me. Since the killer B was sold I decided to go rotated and have a opportunity to get a brand new TigWerks kit with a HTA 86 turbo. So I think I'm going to go this route. I'm building a track car so looking for spool 4-4.5k. Regarding cams I probably will be mix matching, stock intake and stage 1 exhaust. Or stg1 intake and stg2 exhaust, not sure yet. Also look into E85. Its new to me but the more I read and talk to people, its the way to go for a destroker |
01-10-2021, 04:38 AM | #12 | |
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How high are you planning to rev? And yeah car is going to be flex tuned likely on E70ish. |
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01-10-2021, 07:17 PM | #13 |
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Want to build the block to be able to run 9k but will cut it down to 8500. Well see how hot the eng gets.
To answer your question, for track use the 3576 will be the turbo to go. But for street driving, I would think it would be a nightmare to drive. |
01-10-2021, 07:23 PM | #14 |
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Well I guess time will tell.
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01-11-2021, 01:02 AM | #15 |
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just curious why e70? I have a mr2 that I used to mix e50 for and that was a night mare going and getting the jugs out to just get gas. I would suggest getting tuned for what ever the highest e percentage you can find. and use that as a ethanol tune
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01-11-2021, 01:02 AM | #16 | |
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We'll see what the ethenol sensor actually measures when it's tune time. Edit: the station should be E75 Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-11-2021 at 09:12 AM. |
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01-11-2021, 09:23 AM | #17 |
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Guess I'm one of the lucky ones. Got a Wawa station that sells E85 near to me. Just called the and confirmed. 12004 E Roosevelt Blvd, Philadelphia, PA 19116
Check out this site, it might help https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/ethano...arest?fuel=E85 Give these guys a call. This is the nearest to Seattle WA I could find. Gateway Gas & Deli 8030 Douglas Ave SE Snoqualmie, WA 98065 425-292-0934 Second nearest Shell 1401 172nd St NE Marysville, WA 98271 360-652-3059 |
01-11-2021, 10:12 AM | #18 | |
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Thanks for those suggestions, I'll definitely look into the Snoqualmie location as well. Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-11-2021 at 10:25 AM. |
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01-11-2021, 11:27 AM | #19 |
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yeah we here in california have e80 year around, but I know other areas espeically where it gets cold, theirs varies, just like winterized gas
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01-22-2021, 09:51 AM | #20 |
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After talking with my tuner I am likely going for a 2.35 destroked setup instead of the 2.1 stroker for a variety of reasons, mainly the selection of the turbo.
Also going standalone Link ECU in a few months so I can run flex fuel on my current VF39 EJ205 setup to allow for seamless transition when the motor gets built and the spoolinator goes on. Tuner said it should pick up 20-40WHP just by changing ECU, not including the gains from ethenol. Should be interesting to see what happens. Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-22-2021 at 10:47 AM. |
01-29-2021, 08:00 PM | #21 |
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What cams are you planning on using?
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01-30-2021, 11:04 AM | #22 |
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Currently undecided on cams, valves and other head components, waiting for tuners advice. Open to suggestions. Looking to make usable power till 8.5-9K.
Also still deciding if potentially a 2.5L may be a better option for my setup with a slightly lower redline. Decisions decisions. |
01-30-2021, 03:04 PM | #23 | |
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01-30-2021, 03:18 PM | #24 | |
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Definitely looking to rev it out rather than building the setup for tons of bottom end torque which is why I didn't initially begin thinking it would be a 2.5L setup. I've definitely been exploring my options in regard to custom builds vs IAG shortblocks. An IAG closed deck 2.5 seems like it may fit the bill for a lower cost than a 2.35. We'll see what my tuner thinks. Last edited by K3rm1tth3fr0g; 01-30-2021 at 03:25 PM. |
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01-31-2021, 05:20 PM | #25 | |
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