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View Poll Results: Which one will you guys get if Evo is $3300 cheaper than STi?
STI 72 64.29%
EVO 40 35.71%
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Old 05-08-2003, 05:19 PM   #1
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Default Need suggestion on EVO and STI

If you can get an Evo that is $3302 cheaper than the STI , what will you guys do ?? for general , they both great car , so just need a little help out here .
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Old 05-08-2003, 07:21 PM   #2
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I will probably have the same dilema when it's finally time to decide
Just by reading all the reviews I'm leaning towards the EVO
Handling is more important to me then 30 more horses which can be easily solved with some mods
From all the rave reviews the EVO handles like a mofo
Will test out both before I make my final verdict

If Mitsu comes out with the FQ300 then it's game over
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Old 05-08-2003, 09:36 PM   #3
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What's the point of running that poll on an Impreza forum? Obviously the vast majority of people who post are biased towards Subaru.
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Old 05-08-2003, 09:54 PM   #4
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Tell me the reason why i cant set a poll to ask people for opinion ? you can vote or you can just leave it , or you doesnt even have to look at my thread . you noob .
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Old 05-08-2003, 09:56 PM   #5
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Default Re: Need suggestion on EVO and STI

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If you can get an Evo that is $3302 cheaper than the STI , what will you guys do ?? for general , they both great car , so just need a little help out here .
I think the STi could end up costing a lot more than the EVO. Add in the radio and better seats, and that's another $2000 easily...
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Old 05-08-2003, 11:28 PM   #6
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sti is far better equipped though.. 300 hp also..
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:01 AM   #7
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sti is far better equipped though
?? Far better equipped, yet it has no radio, speakers, floormats, rear wiper, foglights, or auto mode for the intercooler spray like the Evo?
What do you mean by better equipped?
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:10 AM   #8
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try DCCD Front LSD.. they might be causing understeer.. but still

they worth money..

and floormat.. come on!..

don't forget to add in the wing for the Evo .
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:12 AM   #9
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- for Evo:

Fast and furious tailights
No cruise
Fast and furious tailights
Ugly cheap interior
Fast and furious tailights
Possible tranny problem
Fast and furious tailights

+ for STi:
Looks better
Rides better
More usable torque
Cool Defi-style dash
6 Speed Prodrive designed tranny
No Fast and furious tailights
etc., etc., etc.

I'll admit the analysis is a little one sided, but after all this is an STi forum.
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:23 AM   #10
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Sti: No Recaros
Sti: slow steering rack
Sti: fast and furious hoodscoop
Sti: bling gold rims
Sti: soft suspension
Sti: No radio
Sti: Dccd that doesn't help understeer or handling (gimick?)
Sti: 6-spped that requires more shifts 0-60 5 shifts in 1/4

Evo: super snug Recaros
Evo: super quick steering
Evo: better suspension
Evo: Looks better
Evo: Nicer Momo wheel
Evo: strong 5-speed with double/triple synchros (come on...the Sti will suffer a few tranny probs here and there also in the hands of the wrong people)
Evo: Nice looking functional hood..no fast and furious bird sucking scoop
Evo: optional sunroof (important to some)

Just thought I'd give you a similar analysis on the side of the Evo..
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Old 05-09-2003, 12:32 AM   #11
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Originally posted by Broeli

?? Far better equipped, yet it has no radio, speakers, floormats, rear wiper, foglights, or auto mode for the intercooler spray like the Evo?
What do you mean by better equipped?
Yes, better equipped.

forged internals
variable valve intake system
forged wheels
larger rear discs
larger engine (more torque, hp)
front lsd
DCCD
6 speed transmission w/ tranny cooler
Electronic throttle control
Cruise control

Until you drive one, maybe you should leave out the subjective comments.

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Old 05-09-2003, 12:46 AM   #12
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Until you drive one, maybe you should leave out the subjective comments
You mean the comments on looks, etc? Why do I need to drive one first to know if I like the look of something ?
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forged internals
variable valve intake system
forged wheels
larger rear discs
larger engine (more torque, hp)
front lsd
DCCD
6 speed transmission w/ tranny cooler
Electronic throttle control
Cruise control
Do ANY of those things you listed make the Sti handle or brake better than the Evo? If not than why is it "better" as in "better" equipped?

I thought these cars were meant for the serious enthusiast. All the sudden everyone is happy with the Sti's softer suspension..even if it understeers and cruise control?? And then you turn around and say, who needs a radio? Wouldn't you like floormats? There are advantages to each car. Both are great. To say one is "better" equipped is just plain silly. One doesn't have cruise the other doesn't have a radio or speakers...cruise and stereo can be added to either...NEITHER car is what most non-performance minded people would call well equipped.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:03 AM   #13
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Until you have driven an STi, your subjective comments (on braking, handling, suspension, steering) are basically opinions based on what you've read.

I listed objective items, not subjective ones, which is what you are stuck on.
If you think that cast equipment is generally better than forged, that is ok. Have fun magazine racing Broeli.

TRS
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:07 AM   #14
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You mean the comments on looks, etc? Why do I need to drive one first to know if I like the look of something ?


Do ANY of those things you listed make the Sti handle or brake better than the Evo? If not than why is it "better" as in "better" equipped?

I thought these cars were meant for the serious enthusiast. All the sudden everyone is happy with the Sti's softer suspension..even if it understeers and cruise control?? And then you turn around and say, who needs a radio? Wouldn't you like floormats? There are advantages to each car. Both are great. To say one is "better" equipped is just plain silly. One doesn't have cruise the other doesn't have a radio or speakers...cruise and stereo can be added to either...NEITHER car is what most non-performance minded people would call well equipped.
I don't think the magazines said the STi's suspension was "too soft". I've read that they said "better ride" but also "too harsh" at the same time.

But everything else that's added or deleted from the STi/Evo can be added as aftermarket so the equipment's more or less equal in that regard. But the biggest thing to the STi that can't be added (or really expensive) is the DCCD which makes it a lot closer to the JDM Spec STi than the Evo is..

So for $3302, you get a DCCD and 30hp/torque. Depends on if all that's worth the cash I guess.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:21 AM   #15
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If you think that cast equipment is generally better than forged, that is ok. Have fun magazine racing Broeli.
Here is a little info for you about the Evo's engine. Do I see the word "forged" in it? Hmm, yes I do. Does it sound plenty strong? I would say yes. Is the 4g63 a proven strong block? Hmm ,another yes ...anyway read away:

"The U.S.-specification Lancer Evolution’s 4G63 utilizes a revised and reinforced cast iron block filled with a reciprocating assembly consisting of a durable forged steel crankshaft, and 150 mm forged steel connecting rods; cylinders are filled with low compression (8.8 to 1) pistons cast in durable, lightweight AC8A (T6) aluminum designed to withstand forced induction cylinder pressures for an extended period.

The cylinder block’s five main bearings are reinforced with a supportive bearing cap girdle that helps stabilize the crankshaft at high speeds. The rugged forged steel crankshaft features a 61 mm main journal diameter and 57 mm rod journal diameter, large enough to endow the crank with superior strength, and yet not so large a surface area to present a challenge for lubrication at high rpm. The bottom of the engine block is also equipped with oil jets that open under high oil pressure levels to help cool the bottom of the piston and provide additional lubrication to its friction surfaces
"
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:26 AM   #16
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braking, handling, suspension, steering) are basically opinions based on what you've read.
Now you're saying shorter braking distances, slalom #'s, skidpad #'s, chassis/suspension geometry/setup, 13:1 vs 15.2:1 steering rack are opinion? Ok.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:26 AM   #17
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Originally posted by ToddStratton
Until you have driven an STi, your subjective comments (on braking, handling, suspension, steering) are basically opinions based on what you've read.

I listed objective items, not subjective ones, which is what you are stuck on.
If you think that cast equipment is generally better than forged, that is ok. Have fun magazine racing Broeli.

TRS
What are you doing? "Spec-sheet" racing?

Until you find out that those "objective" items make the car any better in the real world, maybe you should not list them.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:30 AM   #18
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[B+ for STi:
Looks better
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This is so funny because I keep reading Subbie guys say this. But when I ask non STi/Evo fans about this, they think that both cars look alot a like and that saying one is ugly is like one ugly twin calling it's brother ugly!
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:48 AM   #19
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I dont think both of these cars will win any styling awards . . .

But if the Evo is $3300 less than the STi, it's a no-brainer to get the Evo, unless you are a die hard Subaru fan.

With the STi, you still need to get a stereo system and if you ever want to drive it hard, you need better seats. The stock Impreza seats totally suck. This will cost $1-2k.
So the difference is now $4-5k

Front diff or not, most of us will never really miss it.
How many of us can seriously say that car X handles much better with a front diff than without?

Go for the Evo if you can get it at $3k+ less than the STi.
You wont regret either choice but financially speaking, the Evo will win in this case.
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Old 05-09-2003, 02:02 AM   #20
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Evo: strong 5-speed with double/triple synchros (come on...the Sti will suffer a few tranny probs here and there also in the hands of the wrong people)
STi tranny has double and triple synchros too...
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Old 05-09-2003, 02:05 AM   #21
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All of this is armchair comparisons. If you are going to buy either of the two cars purely upon what you read, the Evo will win on price alone.

But seriously, why would you do that? The two cars drive differently, they feel different, they look different, they sound different, and if it's your thing, I imagine they taste different too. IMO, if I'm going to spend that much money, I'm going to make damn sure that whichever car I pick is going to match my personality, no matter the "numbers". And you'll never get that from text on a screen or on paper. And I'm not going to worry about a $3,000 difference. The maintenance costs on both these cars is going to be rather high, enough so that if $3,000 is going to actually bother me, then neither car is what I can afford anyways.

And as far as the evo winning "all" the comparisons, that's only if you cherry pick the articles whose numbers support your view. Looking at all the articles, there are equal instances of the STi actually coming out on top. I think the real fact is that they are so close, you won't win this one by the numbers alone.

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Old 05-09-2003, 03:05 AM   #22
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$3000 is a lot of cash for most people, maybe not for you.
And yes, it does make a whole lot of difference.
Why dont you just give me $3k right now, if it doesnt make much difference to you?
$3k is about 10% of the total price and more when you include taxes.
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Old 05-09-2003, 03:13 AM   #23
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Given what the STi would cost me in tyres, brakes and gas, no, it's not a lot of money. I view the STi, and the Evo, in the same light as it's competitors, and all of them are up in the 45K+ bracket. Many of them quite higher. (I am not comparing on interior quality, just performance)

And I'm basing this on actual ownership of similar vehicles over the past 5 years. Given how many areas of a car that must make me happy besides magazine numbers, I honestly feel $3000 over 3-5 years of ownership isn't that big of a deal. If the Evo made me (much) happier, even if it was $3000 more than the STi, then I'd rather get it. If it's an $8000 difference, I'd really, really have to think about it - but then, I'd have to decide that I couldn't accept anything else but these two cars in the first place.

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Old 05-09-2003, 03:52 AM   #24
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stick with STi

do it for "crew"
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Old 05-09-2003, 04:53 AM   #25
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Since the original thread starter has STi in his username... The poll seems odd. Oh well...
You'll be an idol in your Evo since it's gonna be in the Fast & Furious sequel. (Someone already mentioned those tail-lights!)
What up with the Evo maintenance schedule? Are they trying to soak ya and make-up for the lower cost compared to the STi?
The quicker steering rack must be a handful when driving thru puddles on a crowned surface (just guessing)... Is it?!
After a rain is there a puddle on your hood with that detent?
Just curious, `cause I made up my mind long ago that the STi will better suit my needs daily.
Choose what ya wanna pick... Why ask those who have already decided on the STi?
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