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Old 04-28-2003, 07:23 PM   #1
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Default June 2003 MotorTrend, STi vs Evo, 0-60 and 1/4 times

Just received my June MotorTrend, sorry, I don't have a scanner

(modified on april 30th) Link for the article:

http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnu...b4edf1e4acfa243

Excellent review but for those 10 years old who said previously "I'm in a hurry to spank the Evo butts", you should review your position since both are in the same league for 0-60 or 1/4 times. YES, the STi have A LOT MORE goodies for the price but I just wanted to say that I don't like people here or on evolutionm.net trashing the STi or the Evo because IMO, they are similar. (And no, I won't have either of them STi or Evo. I'm a happy 03 Z06 and 03 A4 3.0 owner but wanted to share the specs with you folks).

Both tested with the same driver... They found the Evo grippier with a little advantage in handling and braking and found the suspension more tuned and more agressive. Evo has a more agressive gearing. Said it's not 100% like-kind comparo since the STi was barely broken in. The STi is easier to live with on nasty road surfaces. STi is better for high speed

Final comment: "WRX fans will lust after the STi, whatever the Evo can and can't do and vice versa...

STi: They liked a lot the DCCD, comfortable sport seats, grips like spiderman, found bizarre there were no radio, understeered sooner than they thought.
0-60 -- 4.87
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
Braking 60-0ft -- 111

Evo:
0-60 -- 4.59
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
Braking 60-0ft -- 106

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Old 04-28-2003, 07:30 PM   #2
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omg!!!!

13.08??? new record w/ stock Evos pls have people from EvoM to verify this ...

must be a hand made press car J/K




does that article mention anything about what octane fuel used?

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Old 04-28-2003, 07:33 PM   #3
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I usually get my motortrend pretty early. Hopefully tommarrow . Which car has more horsepower
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:36 PM   #4
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Which car has more horsepower

r u kidding?


ill keep an eye out at the news stands
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:43 PM   #5
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Evo has a more agressive gearing. Said it's not 100% like-kind comparo since the STi was barely broken in.
The evo does not have more agressive gearing. I'm so
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:52 PM   #6
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I'm sorry -

I haven't been one to trash the Evo (aside from the R!ceboy styling, but no car is perfect:-P) I think its a great car with a lot of history behind it....

But Right now My head is screaming "Ringer!"

Shiv mentioned that the car SCC got was significantly Hotter than any other EVO he's seen. Now Motor Trend comes out and gives a 13.08 1/4 for the EVO, beating even the Best enthusiest time by a full second??? (According to evoM, Silencer (the guy who ran the 13.18) did so after deflating his tires and doing some "tricks" to the car he knew to keep it stock, but most people don't think of)...

Excuse Me, something there is not adding up right at _ALL_...

-Scott
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:58 PM   #7
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evo runs faster times???????!!!!!!! i'm finding that very hard to believe.
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:00 PM   #8
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Default Re: June 2003 MotorTrend, STi vs Evo, 0-60 and 1/4 times

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Evo:
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
What is the fastest, VERIFIED 1/4 mile TRAP SPEED recorded so far by a showroom-distributed USDM EVO?
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:01 PM   #9
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97itr - A 13.18

Run By silencer over on EvoM, timeslips and pictures posted.

-Scott

*edit* Doh, you wanted trap speed

hold on, I'll go try to find that timeslip
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:02 PM   #10
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Did Subaru decide AGAINST imposing the May 1 press Embargo ?
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:03 PM   #11
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Did Subaru decide AGAINST imposing the May 1 press Embargo ?

I was wondering the same thing..
Whats the point of May 1st press embargo if the mag reviews
reached people in late April?????
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:07 PM   #12
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I think at this point (2 days to go) they can argue that it was the mail services fault... he said it was the June issue in question, that is technically well after the embargo.

Stats on Silencers run (taken straight off his timeslip)
RT 1.005
60 1.776
330 5.406
1/8 8.410 @MPH 81.88
1000 11.003
1/4 13.185 @MPH 102.17

-Scott
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:10 PM   #13
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I was wondering the same thing..
Whats the point of May 1st press embargo if the mag reviews
reached people in late April?????
Subscribers pretty much always get the magazine a few days before it's widely available in stores. That's one of the perks of subscribing.

The magazine isn't going to change it's shipping schedule just to ensure none of the magazines reach the subscribers before May 1st just because there might be some STi press in it.
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:10 PM   #14
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I was wondering the same thing..
Whats the point of May 1st press embargo if the mag reviews
reached people in late April?????
I hope the STi will be here sooner than their claim also.
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:10 PM   #15
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Default Re: June 2003 MotorTrend, STi vs Evo, 0-60 and 1/4 times

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Just received my June MotorTrend, sorry, I don't have a scanner

Excellent review but for those 10 years old who said previously "I'm in a hurry to spank the Evo butts", you should review your position since both are in the same league for 0-60 or 1/4 times. YES, the STi have A LOT MORE goodies for the price but I just wanted to say that I don't like people here or on evolutionm.net trashing the STi or the Evo because IMO, they are similar. (And no, I won't have either of them STi or Evo. I'm a happy 03 Z06 and 03 A4 3.0 owner but wanted to share the specs with you folks).

Both tested with the same driver... They found the Evo grippier with a little advantage in handling and braking and found the suspension more tuned and more agressive. Evo has a more agressive gearing. Said it's not 100% like-kind comparo since the STi was barely broken in. The STi is easier to live with on nasty road surfaces. STi is better for high speed

Final comment: "WRX fans will lust after the STi, whatever the Evo can and can't do and vice versa...

STi: They liked a lot the DCCD, comfortable sport seats, grips like spiderman, found bizarre there were no radio, understeered sooner than they thought.
0-60 -- 4.87
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
Braking 60-0ft -- 111

Evo:
0-60 -- 4.59
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
Braking 60-0ft -- 106

Sylvain

Hmm. EVO 0-60 in 4.59? That's incredibly quick and a huge leap compared to the 4.9 and 5.0 sec times we have heard.
Not to sound like a whimp but I wonder if that EVO was a "special" press car.

I'll wait till all the mags make their comparisons till I get a final answer.

Patiently waiting,

Davis
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:14 PM   #16
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Silencer's car is special. Check all his slips.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...threadid=19954
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:19 PM   #17
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Yes, and now Motor Trend is broadcasting that the Lancer EVO, base, production car can run the 1/4 in 13.08 @ 105 and 0-60 in 4.59...

The more I think about it, the more pissed I am at MotorTrend (I never liked them all that much)... A little bit of research should have told them that they were dealing with a car that was FAR faster than anything else anyone was seeing...

I dunno, I'll try to relax a bit until some of the other mags publish...

-Scott
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:20 PM   #18
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The evo does not have more agressive gearing. I'm so
Certainly the USDM 5 speed Evo has taller, less aggressive gearing, so......
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:22 PM   #19
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Said it's not 100% like-kind comparo since the STi was barely broken in.

0-60 -- 4.87
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
Braking 60-0ft -- 111

Evo:
0-60 -- 4.59
1/4 mile -- [email protected]
Braking 60-0ft -- 106

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Old 04-28-2003, 08:22 PM   #20
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It happens all the times, from all camps. Given that the initial impression tends to be the lasting one, even if Motor Trend "discovers" that it was a ringer, MMC will still reap the benefits of the positive press.

In all fairness, if Subaru had done the same thing, they would have gotten the exact same benefits.

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Old 04-28-2003, 08:26 PM   #21
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That motor trend time, compared to Silencer's, makes sense to me.

Silencer's best trap was a 104.56, not far off from MT's 105.1, and a different (better) driver could probably work out .1ths of a second from the Evo given a cold night.

Looking at the traps and 1/4, the STI and the EVO are both right on par, I assume the STI has more weight than the EVO.

-Ryan
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:28 PM   #22
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Doesn't the STi need an extra shift to reach the 60 or 1/4 miles
than the EVO???

But that would mean STi's gearing is shorter than EVO...
(which contradicts what magazine is claiming...)
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Old 04-28-2003, 08:31 PM   #23
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Quote:
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Yes, and now Motor Trend is broadcasting that the Lancer EVO, base, production car can run the 1/4 in 13.08 @ 105 and 0-60 in 4.59...
Motor Trend applies "correction factors" to all there instrumented test results. This is why they always seem to get the quickest times out of the cars they test. The raw, uncorrected, times are almost always a few ticks below what the claim. SCC, by contrast, uses no such correction technique. Comparing uncorrected to uncorrected times, the SCC guys usually are on the quicker end of the spectrum. Some of that has to do with a very good, very consistent, 130lb test driver.

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Old 04-28-2003, 08:35 PM   #24
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Some points:
They weigh similarly. They have similar power outputs (STi has more).
The STi has more advanced differentials which possible consume more hp to turn vs a simpler differential system (had EVO has an open front diff).
The STi is also a 6 speed which means 1 more clutch in-shift-clutch out motion.

I'd say either car is damn good.
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Shiv already said they tested the STI faster than the EVO in the 1/4 even with the extra shift.

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