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Old 04-19-2003, 01:03 PM   #26
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is that the run in the video where it ran a 13 flat?

cuz how come the videos are so short, and god that quality is poor...but its better than nothing!

I loved to see that srt-4 get walked off the line...and the rest of the race, lol

It's only 1/8 mile track...

The movie is shot with a digital camera, hence the poor quality..

..and the STI had a bad run, you'll notice he was off the line before the lights turn green.. which only accentuated leaving the neon in the dust. He did look fast though..
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Because it's only an 1/8th mi . Also the pavement there is crappy and traction sucks for most anything unless you have slicks or AWD. Also there was mention he did an that 8.9 then 8.7's to avg 8.7's).


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Old 04-19-2003, 01:48 PM   #28
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Being affiliated with a magazine may make you a good all around judge of how good a new vehicle performs in comparison to members of its class, but it may not necessary make you a super drag race car driver. I don't know the man that posted those slip. He claims to have 19 years of experience in the drag scene. He could be lying for all I know. But he sounds legit. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. On this board and many others you always get the “hey where’s the slip to prove it” guy. Well this one has a slip attached to it. Now it’s “there’s some weird information coming from EVO owners”.

The slip shows the car isn't modded and not running on race gas?
Etc.

If he's that much faster than everyone else....then I wonder if he's the guy driving the Acura 'lightly modded' rsx in the video showing it pulling on an Evo from a roll. I'm skeptical of that one too. And just imagine what he could do with a stock Neon SRT....prolly break the sound barrier.
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Old 04-19-2003, 02:04 PM   #29
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The slip shows the car isn't modded and not running on race gas?
Etc.

If he's that much faster than everyone else....then I wonder if he's the guy driving the Acura 'lightly modded' rsx in the video showing it pulling on an Evo from a roll. I'm skeptical of that one too. And just imagine what he could do with a stock Neon SRT....prolly break the sound barrier.
Well, there's always that possibility, but he claims he was absolutely stock, so I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming everyone is out there to talk *****, that would be too depressing.
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Old 04-19-2003, 02:42 PM   #30
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I put together the guys numbers from his time slip to see where he might of made up the difference. I was thinking probably reaction time etc. I did notice that some of the numbers looked a little wierd.

r/t 1.1.67 1.029 .893 1.005
60 2.002 1.841 1.742 1.776
330 5.756 5.444 5.406 5.406
1/8 8.826 8.461 8.435 8.410
MPH 81.64 82.56 81.21 81.88
1000 11.480 11.092 11.058 11.003
1/4 13.690 13.289 13.261 13.185
MPH 104.02 104.56 101.87 102.17

Pretty interesting numbers.

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Old 04-19-2003, 02:46 PM   #31
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now lets imagine that sound catless.




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Old 04-19-2003, 05:53 PM   #32
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No, he definitely was running stock. Engine looked stock, he was on the stock Potenzas, stock everything. There's no reason why he wouldn't be.. it was a press car.

Here are some pictures from that night:

The taillights look great!


A shot of interior, as most of you have already seen


Mmmmm.. HID.


The light housing


Checking out the STI (I'm actually on the left)


Ground shot


The gauges!


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Old 04-19-2003, 07:05 PM   #33
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holy crap those gauges look sweeeeet!
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Old 04-19-2003, 07:09 PM   #34
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Actually the question was in regard to the the guy claiming his stock EVO ran 13.1 when SCC and R&T are getting 13.6 - 13.8.,
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Old 04-19-2003, 07:54 PM   #35
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twotacos,

How did everything look/feel in the interior? The seats, plastics, steering wheel, shifter?
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Old 04-19-2003, 07:54 PM   #36
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If the STi light goes out, does that mean you blew the engine?
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Old 04-19-2003, 08:03 PM   #37
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You may want to edit that one photo. It has the license plate number of the car. If SOA spots this, he may be in hot water.
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Old 04-19-2003, 08:13 PM   #38
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Actually the question was in regard to the the guy claiming his stock EVO ran 13.1 when SCC and R&T are getting 13.6 - 13.8.,
Actually if you read the new SCC they got a 13.34 and several 13.5's. 13.4-13.6 seems to be pretty easy to get in the Evo. Someone on evolutionm.net got a 13.7 his first time ever racing the Evo and first time ever racing a stick shift car
Also, the Evo SCC got a 13.3 with was on crappy Ca gas....so it seems believable that the Evo ran the 13.1 on the good 94 octane we have here in the midwest.
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Old 04-19-2003, 08:36 PM   #39
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Actually if you read the new SCC they got a 13.34 and several 13.5's. 13.4-13.6 seems to be pretty easy to get in the Evo. Someone on evolutionm.net got a 13.7 his first time ever racing the Evo and first time ever racing a stick shift car
Also, the Evo SCC got a 13.3 with was on crappy Ca gas....so it seems believable that the Evo ran the 13.1 on the good 94 octane we have here in the midwest.
There is also the problem that the scc car dynoe'd quite a bit lmore hp on Shiv's dyno as compared to multiple factory cars. So I doubt you can go by those numbers as evidence.
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There is also the problem that the scc car dynoe'd quite a bit lmore hp on Shiv's dyno as compared to multiple factory cars. So I doubt you can go by those numbers as evidence.
It dynoed higher than factory for 91 ocatane fuel but equivalent to a factory evo running 93-94 octane.
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Old 04-19-2003, 09:09 PM   #41
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There is also the problem that the scc car dynoe'd quite a bit lmore hp on Shiv's dyno as compared to multiple factory cars. So I doubt you can go by those numbers as evidence.
Yes, it dynoed comparable #'s to the midwest Evo's on good gas.
Also keep in mind the SCC was well broken in with a little more mileage...the Evo's Shiv dynoed were all real low mileage that were right around the 600 mile mark.

I'm sure the Sti will be a tad quicker on average though. Nice looking gauge cluster also.
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Old 04-19-2003, 09:23 PM   #42
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Stiger mentions that someone should cross out the license plate on the car. Well, it's Subaru of America's plate! If I recall correctly, the same plate was on the 22B that toured the country for around '99. Good thinking, but probably better to blur out the face of the driver!

Actually, the reporter probably wouldn't be in trouble. He's only embargoed from writing about the car. SOA just wants to control magazine articles and have them all hit a precise amount of time before the cars are actually ready for sale (bet the marketing department has an exact formula for that). Secretly, they're loving that this stuff gets out to the enthusiast community.

These are absolutely the best STi photos I've seen yet, so thanks for posting them and the video.
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Old 04-19-2003, 09:58 PM   #43
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I love this! Skeptical of posted times slips. Skeptical of a video showing a run at 13.1. Ringer cars.l... Something doesn't look quite right with the numbers. The car was stock, the car was modded. Shiv likes the EVO a little better cause it suites his current driving mood..... no no Shiv is playing gamesmanship with EVO owners to sell them stuff...... geeeeezzzzzz

What is going to be fun is watching our cylinder challenged cars munch on V8 and V6s at the track and SCCA events!

And no one will be happier to see the STI arrive than EVO owners!



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Old 04-19-2003, 10:02 PM   #44
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Secretly, they're loving that this stuff gets out to the enthusiast community.

like hollywood alway says, "there's no such thing as BAD press..."

i mean this car can almost SELL itself...

how many here are on a waiting list and ready to buy something without a test drive?
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Old 04-19-2003, 10:05 PM   #45
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ok..

let me go through all of the points i observed about the sti..

for one, it looks very badass.. it has a great look to it, and yes, the hood scoop is frigging huge.. it's a good 3-4 times higher than the stock scoop. the HID's look bright and white, nice beam pattern.. there was a leveler in the car, and it works quite well.

As for the interior:

The interior is very nice, it's the same as a standard WRX's, except with the STI seats, shifter trim, different HVAC controls, blue suede door inserts, chrome door handles..

The seats feel nice, but they're probably closer to a WRX's seats than they are to real JDM STI seats. The leg supports are higher, but the shoulder supports are nonexistient, and the torso supports are about the same. Material feels ok, but the seat feels very solid. The steering wheel feels and looks nice.. the center silver piece is basically a giant horn, and it seems smaller/thicker than the WRX steering wheel. The rest of the console is the same though.

Probably my favorite part about the STI was the feel of the shifter. It just drops into gear with no effort at all, not notchy at all. Clutch is fairly stiff, i'd say the same as a WRX's. Mmm.. six gears.

When he was launching the car, it was spinning on all fours. The driver had the DCCD on full lock, 50-50, but he was still having problems hooking the car at launch. (crappy pavement). He said he had to turn the wheel slightly to the right to offset the "crabwalking" the car was doing at launch.. it was moving a little to the left.

I was trying to get some information about gas mileage, but that point is probably moot, since they ARE there to beat on the car. He did comment on the needle dropping real quick under hard driving.

Overall, it's a badass car, and I definitely want one.

Ryan

PS - here's a little wallpaper of the guages that I did last night.. the resolution is 1280x1024, but I have a version in 1600x1200 should you want it.

STI Desktop
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Old 04-19-2003, 10:20 PM   #46
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yes, hook us up with 1600x1200 also please..
thanks for review..
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STI Gauges - 1600x1200 desktop background

Cleaned it up and got rid of some the grainyness.. It's just a 1600x1200 version of the guages pic above with a STI logo.

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Old 04-20-2003, 04:40 AM   #49
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Wonder why neither Road and Track nor SCC could do low 13's with their Evo's then? SCC has tested several 300 hp Euro and Jay-damn Evo 7's and USDM 8's and has never gotten anywhere near that. I'm sorry but a 13.1 in a USDM EVO is like getting 13.6 in a stock REX. It's almost half a sec faster than the fastest times from reputable sources. I hate to sound like a cynic but there's some weird information coming from Evo owners about the Evo and sometimes about the STI. Keeping my grain of salt handy.
If you note the Care and Driver article did not test for 0-60 or 1/4 mile.
They extrapolated those times based on previous Evo models, namely the
VI.
Road and Track did do the testing and achieved 0-60 in 5.1
and the 1/4 in [email protected]

And you can't base everything on 1 source. Also, given different day and climate the times could be better or worse. Also, after break in times could get better as well.
The temp for R&T test was 61F with 71% humidity, pretty good air a bit on the moist side. I'm sure the time was an average of several runs.

Very good numbers. But, the EVO, STi, and WRX are more than just those numbers. It's the experience and how the feel and react to the driver that demonstrates these cars value. The EVO is not just a bit quicker than the WRX, it's vastly superior in terms of handling, braking, and control. It should be given the extra effort and money put into it. The STi will probably prove to be faster than the EVO in these types of test. However, as I said, there's more to these cars than just those numbers. The EVO and STi will probably be a closer match when it comes to how they handle and respond to being driven on real roads, dirt courses, and the like. From articles in Euro mags, the EVO may edge out the STi in terms of handling dynamics, BUT, that is if the extra drivetrain controls don't make that much of a difference. And, the STi should take the time to speed honors.
Out in the streets of the real world, these 2 should be pretty closely matched when it comes to the majority of the drivers and their skills.

These cars are awesome and we should appreciate all of them and the companies that have finally decided to bring them to us.

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Old 04-20-2003, 04:41 AM   #50
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I saw one press STi at the Irivine Subaru "sneak" preview...
The interior does "look" nicer than EVO's that I remember from
autoshows....

One very important thing that I forgot to check... will the huge
rear wing BLOCK rear view window??

I know that the EVO's does from what i've heard on forums..
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