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Old 04-08-2003, 06:58 PM   #51
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Default ok.. to set the record straight

MSRP is NOT 32k. That was an estimate made at an autoshow...
the MSRP is about 28k. If a dealer tells you 32k... then HE IS MARKING IT UP!
Ask to see the delivery invoice and it will show the MSRP (though I believe they may code it).

A dealer will always quote higher so that when the price is lower, you have will think you are getting a deal and buy the car.
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Old 04-08-2003, 07:34 PM   #52
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At $29,995 the EVO is overpriced for offering essentially the same as a WRX only a few tenths faster to 60 mph.



If I weren't interested in the max perf. STi I'd get a rock solid and proven reliable WRX at 0% interest then spend a couple of bucks on a minor ECU mod to gain those tenths of a second on the EVO.

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i don;t want to burst your bubble but if you think that that's all the differenece between the 2 than you havwe no clue about the EVO or cars in general. i am not saying this as an insult but if you look at all the things the EVO offers than you will see that there is much more to the car than a a few second faster WRX. let's try this together:

great chassie
AMAZING suspension
hugh brembo brakes
great tranny with great gears
AMAZING steering
Great seats
tried and pruven engine block
great engine setup (intercooler,turbo, internals,etc...)

now you take a base WRX and add all this parts and let me know what is the final amount you came with.

and just for the record, i am not a mitsubishi fan but a subaru fan who owned nice subarus for the past few years and i have much respect for the subie and espacially the STI (i owned a ver.5). unlike other people on this board i do think that they are BOTH amazing cars each in their own right and each own earned the respect as a great car in the past years. going around bashing the EVO even though it IS an amazing car just because you like the STI more is just plain STUPID. how come people have no problem saying that the SKYLINE or the RX7 are great cars but they do have problems admitting that the EVO is also a great car?
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Old 04-08-2003, 07:45 PM   #53
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how come people have no problem saying that the SKYLINE or the RX7 are great cars but they do have problems admitting that the EVO is also a great car?
One of three reasons:

1) They are Mitsu or EVO haters (or assume it's like any DSM)
2) They are die-hard Subie fans (and a little closed-minded).
3) They have never driven an EVO or know of it's heritage.

Or, all three.
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Old 04-08-2003, 07:50 PM   #54
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MSRP is NOT 32k. That was an estimate made at an autoshow...
the MSRP is about 28k. If a dealer tells you 32k... then HE IS MARKING IT UP!
Ask to see the delivery invoice and it will show the MSRP (though I believe they may code it).

A dealer will always quote higher so that when the price is lower, you have will think you are getting a deal and buy the car.
Vampyr,

Uhh.. nice consporacy theory there!

No, they don't use any secret code on the invoices, although the holdback amount is coded, MSRP and Invoice are exactly as they appear on the vehicle, nothing funny.

It is to the point now where those of us that have heard rumors from "within" have said what we have heard, but there are still some people who don't think it is accurate.

The "official" announcement will be out very soon, till then we can just wait and see.
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:05 PM   #55
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deadbolt -

I must have missed your price prediction, can you post it again?
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:23 PM   #56
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that's what I meant deadbolt... not the MSRP (due to something called a law).. just on the delivery invoice. I used to work at a Porsche dealership a long long time ago and I had to take care of inventory. When the truck came in, you would never see the actual cost of the car because I guess Porsche didn't want the delivery driver to know how much his cargo was worth.
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Old 04-09-2003, 01:45 AM   #57
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i don;t want to burst your bubble but ....blah, blah,blah
Mr. Blonde,

Today at I-Club I found a reference to the
following via Edmunds.com.

In December they ran a comparo of the EVO VII (JDM) against a box stock & regular WRX. Granted its not a US EVO but I trust you would agree an EVO VII is better than the US EVO.

Funny thing about the review is they end concluding with exactly what I had stated earlier.

Suspension pieces (tighter or looser) can be bought & cutomized to the users own needs and preferences with a little time and a few green backs. Not hard nor expensive.
The same can be said for power output of the Subie, which is known for its drivetrain durability. But you knew this right, as you have owned five Subies.

If I were going to only race & compete on the track of course the natural inclination is to go EVO. But most of us folks will be using our vehicles as a daily driver. With that in mind and back to my original post, the WRX is very well suited too at the least meet the detuned US EVO ('EVO VIII') with just a few minor upgrades and one could still have change left in their pockets for other projects.

Not to mention one could have essentially two cars in one with the WRX. A daily driver Monday - Friday and a weekend racer all with a change of tires and an adjustment to some coilovers.
With the EVO which already costs $4K more than the WRX you would have to spend more money to buy an adjustable suspension for taking the edge off when not on the track.
Then add in the cost of acceptible street rim$ & tire$...

I'm not hating or "bashing" on the EVO or Mitsubishi for that matter. The EVO as I have said several times is a nice ride. No doubt there. What I have said though is that the EVO is not necessarily the _best value_ and that Subaru wins this round.
If you're getting an EVO, more power to ya.
If not, thats fine too.

Different strokes for different folks.

BTW, last time I checked this was a SUBARU forum?

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Old 04-09-2003, 07:13 AM   #58
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Ahh, yes, we are in a subaru forum. Therefore we must cloud our open minded views of other cars with Subaru prejudice, no?

Anyway, DeadBolt, Are the window stickers in the car when they are put on the boat, put in at port, or printed at dealer?

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Old 04-09-2003, 07:49 AM   #59
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Ahh, yes, we are in a subaru forum. Therefore we must cloud our open minded views of other cars with Subaru prejudice, no?

Anyway, DeadBolt, Are the window stickers in the car when they are put on the boat, put in at port, or printed at dealer?

VV
Window stickers (also known as Monroney labels) are put in the cars at the port, as that is where many of the options are installed.

My prediction was MSRP will be $31520 including the $525 destination charge that SOA tacks on. (So ase MSRP would be $30,995) I won't say where I heard it, but I think that is very reliable info.
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Old 04-09-2003, 08:30 AM   #60
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Window stickers (also known as Monroney labels) are put in the cars at the port, as that is where many of the options are installed.

My prediction was MSRP will be $31520 including the $525 destination charge that SOA tacks on. (So ase MSRP would be $30,995) I won't say where I heard it, but I think that is very reliable info.
Thanks, I didn't know if you were a 31k guy or a 33k guy.

I think the 31k is a reasonable prediction, since it's almost identical to the price of the Evo with the wing. People aren't going to shop these cars and decide over $500, they're going to buy the one that they identify with the most. (in my opinion, of course)
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Old 04-09-2003, 02:01 PM   #61
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Ahh, yes, we are in a subaru forum. Therefore we must cloud our open minded views of other cars with Subaru prejudice, no?

Anyway, DeadBolt, Are the window stickers in the car when they are put on the boat, put in at port, or printed at dealer?

VV
Nope.

But you can't be shocked & surprised to hear positive comments toward a Subie in a Subie forum.

As for 'window stickers', they are required by Federal law to be installed only by the manufacturer (or an agent there of) and typically installed at port of departure.

Dealers commonly add an additional sticker that details DIO items and additional mentionables like undercoating and such.

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Old 04-09-2003, 02:21 PM   #62
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Of course not. But in the same turn, you cannot be shocked nor surprised that people in a subaru forum realize that subaru isn't the only car manufacturer around....

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Nope.

But you can't be shocked & surprised to hear positive comments toward a Subie in a Subie forum.

As for 'window stickers', they are required by Federal law to be installed only by the manufacturer (or an agent there of) and typically installed at port of departure.

Dealers commonly add an additional sticker that details DIO items and additional mentionables like undercoating and such.

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Old 04-09-2003, 02:32 PM   #63
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Of course not. But in the same turn, you cannot be shocked nor surprised that people in a subaru forum realize that subaru isn't the only car manufacturer around....

VV

My original post made no such mention of that.
In fact it was merely a comparison of cost to value between the US EVO and the regular WRX.
Then Mr. Blonde got his panties in a bunch thinking I was slamming the EVO, which I was not.

Bottom line, its a Subie forum and I'm a Subie fan (who in the past actually worked for SOA as well as other marques) who is not afraid to say so.
My original point was valid and I'm not the only one who thinks so as indicated by my referemce to the review at Edmunds.com.

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Old 04-09-2003, 02:36 PM   #64
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Sure, as am I (subie fan). I didn't realize your points were so targeted. the "BTW, last time I checked this was a SUBARU forum" is what I was reponding to more than anything I guess.

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My original post made no such mention of that.
In fact it was merely a comparison of cost to value between the US EVO and the regular WRX.
Then Mr. Blonde got his panties in a bunch thinking I was slamming the EVO, which I was not.

Bottom line, its a Subie forum and I'm a Subie fan (who in the past actually worked for SOA as well as other marques) who is not afraid to say so.
My original point was valid and I'm not the only one who thinks so as indicated by my referemce to the review at Edmunds.com.

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Old 04-09-2003, 06:57 PM   #65
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Default well.. if you wanna pay 31-33k

Well.. I'm not going to say where (cause I don't want all you naysayers to go there) .. but I've already spoken to the sales manager and have gotten in writing, with my 500 depost that my price AND the MSRP of the car is less than 29k. This is for a '04 WRX STi blue w/ gold wheels.
So I'm hanging on to my document, signed be the sales manager and approved by the dealership owner with this price for the car.
I told them that I heard it was more and they said they heard that to, but assured me it wasn't (which prompted me to ask for it in writing). They said I wasn't the first one to request it in writing.. as the already had a document available for this.

I have already been told that I should expect it in Late June, Early July and as soon as they find out.. possibly early May, what my VIN number will be, they will give that to me for additional reference.


So... I really can't specify how much you are going to pay for your car... but if you are paying more than me.. then you are paying too much.
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The only thing I can't believe is that we still do not know the actual price,the announcment was made three months ago,as well as me putting my deposit down.I don't know about others but I am kind of pissed, I did go and check out an Evo and actually if the STI is over 32k I will either keep my RS and turbo it or get an Evo.
My guess would be that Subaru is:
1) trying to get the production cost as low as possible (ie: they will know when they have tweaked the production lines to the n-th degree)
2) waiting to see the exchange rate at closer to release time

...I believe that # 2 is the main reason Japanese companies are price-competative with domestic manufacturers (since they have to pay import duties, etc)
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Stopped by my dealer last night in southern NH. The sales manager said they had heard the price on the sti would be under 30k base with no options. He also said the first alocation would contain 51 cars and that was for like 60 dealers. The second one would be less then a month after that and contain many more cars.
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He also said the first alocation would contain 51 cars and that was for like 60 dealers.

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Well.. I'm not going to say where (cause I don't want all you naysayers to go there) .. but I've already spoken to the sales manager and have gotten in writing, with my 500 depost that my price AND the MSRP of the car is less than 29k. This is for a '04 WRX STi blue w/ gold wheels.
So I'm hanging on to my document, signed be the sales manager and approved by the dealership owner with this price for the car.
I told them that I heard it was more and they said they heard that to, but assured me it wasn't (which prompted me to ask for it in writing). They said I wasn't the first one to request it in writing.. as the already had a document available for this.

I have already been told that I should expect it in Late June, Early July and as soon as they find out.. possibly early May, what my VIN number will be, they will give that to me for additional reference.


So... I really can't specify how much you are going to pay for your car... but if you are paying more than me.. then you are paying too much.
you got in writing that the MSRP was less than 29k, or that your price was less than 29k?

There is a difference.
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you got in writing that the MSRP was less than 29k, or that your price was less than 29k?

There is a difference.
Yep...like 'Invoice' might be $29K, which still leaves the dealer with a profit against his own cost.

The dollar difference between invoice and MSRP is additional padding, pillage and profit for the dealer.

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Angry damn...good point... sneaky dealers

I never thought of that. The document I have may not be what I will have to pay. It doesn't specifically state that, only what the MSRP will be.
Oh well... my 500 is refundable, so if I have to pay over 30k, then I'm taking my money elsewhere or waiting it out until it is under 30k.
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He also said the first alocation would contain 51 cars and that was for like 60 dealers.
I hope my dealer gets the 1/5 portion of STi. It'll cost much less than $33k.

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Lots of people here going to be eatin' some crow soon...

And one person has it right...
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i don;t want to burst your bubble but if you think that that's all the differenece between the 2 than you havwe no clue about the EVO or cars in general. i am not saying this as an insult but if you look at all the things the EVO offers than you will see that there is much more to the car than a a few second faster WRX. let's try this together:

great chassie
AMAZING suspension
hugh brembo brakes
great tranny with great gears
AMAZING steering
Great seats
tried and pruven engine block
great engine setup (intercooler,turbo, internals,etc...)

now you take a base WRX and add all this parts and let me know what is the final amount you came with.
I definately agree with Mr.Blondy on this one.

If you want a car with the track competence of an EVO, it would be far wiser to buy an EVO than to buy a WRX and spend several thousand fixing it up. Likewise, if you want the total, undiluted package go for the STi instead of modding a WRX. The WRX is ONLY the best deal IF you plan to keep it's performance/handling envelope close to it's original settings.

You see, there is a lot more to good handling than just throwing together a lot of high quality parts. The suspension geometry, ride height, rebound, compression, spring rate, all have to complement each other in a way that keeps the ride/handling envelope at it's maximum, i.e. extracting the best possible ride for a given level of handling. By putting in coil-overs in a WRX you will probably match the EVO's handling but at the expense of even worse ride than the EVO itself.

The standard WRX is not meant to be a track weapon. For that purpose, we have the STi and the EVO.
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My original post made no such mention of that.
In fact it was merely a comparison of cost to value between the US EVO and the regular WRX.
Then Mr. Blonde got his panties in a bunch thinking I was slamming the EVO, which I was not.

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i wasn't getting upset because of you but because of some of the people on this forum in general. i am also a subie fan and that is way i drive a WRX right now BUT unlike some other people i have no problem saying good things about other cars. yes the EVO is not for everyone much like the STI. and as far as the tuned WRX can be matched to a EVO than just keep in mind that most times it is all about the PACKAGE and not individual parts which makes a car great.
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