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Old 01-09-2003, 03:50 PM   #1
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I found this on the U.S WRX Sti

http://www.car-videos.com/performanc...?id1=169&id2=0

It says 0-60mph in 4.59 sec with a 1/4 mile in 13.4 @ 101 mph

The STi is running 17.5 psi boost !
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Old 01-09-2003, 03:55 PM   #2
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seems that site is a little off.

I don't see the EVO having a faster (almost even) 0-60 or 1/4 time like they claim.
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Old 01-09-2003, 04:03 PM   #3
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seems that site is a little off.

I don't see the EVO having a faster (almost even) 0-60 or 1/4 time like they claim.
I'm not sure why (maybe the EVO is really making more HP than they claim) but the EVO is fast. I talked to a guy who has a new EVO. Yes he already has one with 2k miles on it. They can be purchaced through certain importers for serious cash. Much more than you would pay at a dealership.

He told me it runs [email protected] - 84 mph in the 1/8 mile bone stock. That would put it in the very very low 13s bone stock. He is legit.

Soon the EVOs will be hitting the drag strips in numbers and there will be no dought to their speed. The EVO 7's were running low to mid 13s bone stock with decent drivers. The EVO8 should be just as fast.
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Old 01-09-2003, 04:28 PM   #4
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Forget the EVO, to have the STI and M5 mentioned in the same statistic comparison is an honor to all Subaru fans.
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Old 01-09-2003, 04:40 PM   #5
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Says it right on the site... not the real stuff yet... I'll wait for SOA!

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Old 01-10-2003, 03:02 AM   #6
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The JDM Evo VII vs the JDM WRX STi, the Evo is quicker in a straight line. I've seen them pull a 12.9 stock vs low 13's for the STi. One that was dynoed here had 170awkw (about 220awhp stock).

On an Australian dyno, that is a huge number. Stock STi's rarely reach 130awkw (170awhp) on the dyno. Also stock WRX's on our dynos put out less than 130awhp.

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Old 01-10-2003, 03:06 AM   #7
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The JDM Evo VII vs the JDM WRX STi, the Evo is quicker in a straight line. I've seen them pull a 12.9 stock vs low 13's for the STi. One that was dynoed here had 170awkw (about 220awhp stock).

On an Australian dyno, that is a huge number. Stock STi's rarely reach 130awkw (170awhp) on the dyno. Also stock WRX's on our dynos put out less than 130awhp.

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I think you are forgetting that the US sti is a tad different than the JDM and Australian version
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Old 01-10-2003, 06:17 AM   #8
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I think you are forgetting that the US sti is a tad different than the JDM and Australian version
It was in response to this which was in reference to the JDM STi:

seems that site is a little off.

I don't see the EVO having a faster (almost even) 0-60 or 1/4 time like they claim.
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Old 01-10-2003, 06:25 AM   #9
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Which STi? Bug-eye or the restyle? The restyle is much stronger and faster than the bugeye.

And dyno results are misleading - the dyno's are usually set up for a fan that blows over the front of the car only, with the hood open. That tends to put the STi/WRX at a disadvantage, since the TMIC draws air from the top, not the front. Tommy Kaira estimates about a 15hp loss because of that.

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Old 01-10-2003, 07:05 AM   #10
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Which STi? Bug-eye or the restyle? The restyle is much stronger and faster than the bugeye.

And dyno results are misleading - the dyno's are usually set up for a fan that blows over the front of the car only, with the hood open. That tends to put the STi/WRX at a disadvantage, since the TMIC draws air from the top, not the front. Tommy Kaira estimates about a 15hp loss because of that.

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Agreed. Evo's definitely feel like a strong car though, they have insane mid-range. But the JDM STi is similar now with AVCS, twin scroll turbo and equal length headers. Has slightly less torque than the US model though -- by all reports it seems the US STi is going to be a killer.

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Old 01-10-2003, 09:16 AM   #11
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One important point is you can't really go by these 0-60mph times. AWD cars arfe extremely driver dependent. If you gave the same EVO to two different drivers one driver may pull a 4.5 sec 0-60mph while the other driver may only pull 5.0 sec 0-60 mph.

I would have to bet that when Car and Driver/ Motor Trend etc get ahold of the New Sti / Evo's they will probably run in the low 5 sec range 0-60mph. Give me a new Sti or EVO and I garentee I could pull a mid 4 sec 0-60mph.

Example.
I was reading a recent mag at the airport and they were reviewing the 03WRX. They only ran 6.2 sec 0-60mph with a 14.7 sec 1/4 mile. Car and driver last year ran 5.4 sec 0-60mph in an 02 WRX. Thats close to a full second difference. Thats huge. Its all about the driver.
Car and Driver just recently ran [email protected] 98mph and 5.5 sec 0-60mph in the Club C WRX Sti with 276hp. They ran faster in the stock 227hp WRX vs the 276hp Sti.

So you can't always pay attention to these numbers.
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Old 01-10-2003, 09:39 AM   #12
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Car and Driver just recently ran [email protected] 98mph and 5.5 sec 0-60mph in the Club C WRX Sti with 276hp. They ran faster in the stock 227hp WRX vs the 276hp Sti.
I'm familiar with the Car & Driver test at 5.5 as it's the figure I prefer to cite. Interestingly, Car & Drive tested another WRX that could only muster a 5.9 best run. Figure that.

Dunno if it was a different driver or temp/track conditions that contributed to that.
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Old 01-10-2003, 10:20 AM   #13
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If you check carefully, now there is often notes at the bottom of C&D, R&T that mentions how they have manages their 0-60. I should check at home for the magazine name but they now tend to do "realistic" test drives. I remember R&T testing the Eagle Talon a few years ago and dropping the clutch at 6000RPM to manage the best 0-60 times... Now they tend to for example slip the clutch from 3000RPM. That gives a more realistic test. That's something to consider when reading 0-60.

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[i]Now they tend to for example slip the clutch from 3000RPM. That gives a more realistic test. That's something to consider when reading 0-60.
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They should tell us both. What it CAN do versus what is realistic. I'm sure not gonna drop at 6000.
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Old 01-10-2003, 11:01 AM   #15
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I'm sure a very small amount of people would drop the clutch at 6000RPM... About 5 years ago, they were power-shifting, if they were in the redline nothing was a problem or even mentionned. They were just test driving to know the best possible 0-60 times and no matter what, when checking 0-60 times, everybody knew they had to add a few .2-.3 seconds... Now they are doing more realistic tests and i'm sure people prefer that.

Anyway, the STi will be fast, real-fast.

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Old 01-10-2003, 11:36 AM   #16
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The other thing you guys forget too is that no two cars come of the assembly line the same. Just because they rate the engines in a WRX for instance at 227hp, that is what the nominal power should be. Because of manufacturing variations your gonna get some weak ones, and some stronger ones. Also keep in mind that each car they test has had varying amounts of breakin. Some come green with only a few hundred miles, and others come well abused.

But to make a long story short, all the cars are going to perform in some range of speeds, no two will be exactly the same when it comes to breaking/acceleration handling, heck even A/C cooling capacity. Its just like CPU's all come off the same assembly line and some are just better overclockers than others.

If you read in one of their recent issues, they actually compensate for differences in temperature, humidity, altitude, wind speed etc. So differences between cars is really just that different cars, and since they use only a couple of drivers doing multiple 0-60 1/4 mile runs, and they take the best 3 out of 10 usually.

Simple fact some cars will run slower just becasue they don't meet spec, some cars will run faster becasue they are better than spec. Of course Subaru would never give a Primo cherry picked car for a test would it? then when they get on for the long term test it isn't possible they got an average or belowe average car?
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Old 01-10-2003, 11:46 AM   #17
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WHO CARES? just wait until they actually show up and someone gets real numbers. until then, i don't see how anyone can say "there is no way the STi will be quicker" or "i can't see the EVO having equal (or even close) numbers". in reality, the EVO has probably been underrated from the factory for a long time due to the "276bhp agreement" in Japan.

geez, people. have some freakin patience.

and sheeesh, high 12s vs. low 13s? come on, as if you can tell the difference anywhere besides a drag strip, a place neither of these cars is designed for. both are WAAAAY faster than almost anything else around.

(except for the SRT-4, of course.)



in other news, the STi seems to be pretty much the most popular topic on most car boards (not just Sube and Mitsu forums).
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Old 01-10-2003, 03:27 PM   #18
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geez, people. have some freakin patience.
Wow.. I didn't know we weren't allowed to have friendly converstion's on a BOARD. Maybe I'm blind but it seems that everyone in this thread is just commenting on what thoughts are going through thier heads ATM.

Sorry, from now on we won't post unless it's something that is a known fact. kthx
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did you see this?



for you new internet users, that means the person is not really upset. i was (mostly) kidding.

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