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Old 02-14-2017, 01:55 PM   #26
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No problem sir. Do you have an email I can send the tracking number to? You can PM me if needed.

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Old 02-14-2017, 01:58 PM   #27
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No problem sir. Do you have an email I can send the tracking number to? You can PM me if needed.

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Old 02-14-2017, 02:01 PM   #28
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Thank you. I will get on fabbed up and shipped ASAP. I look forward to your results.

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Old 02-14-2017, 02:52 PM   #29
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oh boy here we go
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:03 PM   #30
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It may look that way. And who is to say that the numbers from Jr. won't be skewed either in favor of the KB's. But all we are looking for is actual back to back testing, that's all. No reason for drama

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Old 02-14-2017, 03:29 PM   #31
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This is why I love having Cobb and Perrin in my neighborhood. I trust them and like their professionalism with no people with social disorders repping their shop like they are some hot ****. MAP you seem pretty similar to them and I would trust you over someone with a little man complex any day.
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:35 PM   #32
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What would be safe about making it spool 1000-1500rpm later then it should when it has a built motor and 6spd on E? Also you can ramp in boost, that is not ramping in looking at the curve, it literally just spools like **** with and without the header.

Ill go with not knowing OR the car has a problem.


Yeah good point about e and built engine. Really no reason at all not to let it eat timing wise and bring in all the boosts asap.


Sweeet about back to back testing!! Numbers don't lie.
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:38 PM   #33
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This is why I love having Cobb and Perrin in my neighborhood. I trust them and like their professionalism with no people with social disorders repping their shop like they are some hot ****. MAP you seem pretty similar to them and I would trust you over someone with a little man complex any day.

Except there is something visibly off. 500 rpm in spool is just unbelievable. There is no little man syndrome here.
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:21 PM   #34
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the headers look nice and are priced reasonably

the power claims are off the friggin rocker

waits for independent pepsi challenge results


hey map , what gauge tubing are they constructed from ?
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:22 PM   #35
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Rath Gibson 308 stainless sir.

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the headers look nice and are priced reasonably

the power claims are off the friggin rocker

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hey map , what gauge tubing are they constructed from ?
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:33 PM   #36
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U want to send me a pair.

I will have precision tuning take off my killer b header and install this one. I will even pay to have them do the labor and dyno it WITHOUT a re-tune to see real world results.

2017 STI with Full bolts on, including Cobb 20G turbo. Makes 360awhp and 350awtq on 20psi, 93 octane. If your header makes more power then my killer b without sacrificing spool then I will buy it, period.
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:37 PM   #37
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I appreciate you reaching out sir. Let's see what Jr's results are, and we can go from there. I am assuming they have a car with KB's to do back to back testing on, but I will keep you in mind!

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I will have precision tuning take off my killer b header and install this one. I will even pay to have them do the labor and dyno it WITHOUT a re-tune to see real world results.

2017 STI with Full bolts on, including Cobb 20G turbo. Makes 360awhp and 350awtq on 20psi, 93 octane. If your header makes more power then my killer b without sacrificing spool then I will buy it, period.
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:12 PM   #38
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Rath Gibson 308 stainless sir.
He was asking the thickness of the metal, not the alloy.
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:14 PM   #39
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Sorry about that, 16 gauge.

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Old 02-14-2017, 06:32 PM   #40
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It may look that way. And who is to say that the numbers from Jr. won't be skewed either in favor of the KB's. But all we are looking for is actual back to back testing, that's all. No reason for drama
Just to say that we are not looking to skew results but also dont want to hear foul play if the numbers do not work out in your favor either. i also want to point out that as much as we are fans of KillerB, i especially do not discriminate when it comes to performance products that help this platform. if this header option steadily outperforms the killerb, i would be more than happy to have another offering on the table for our customer. i was actually the one who spear headed the 16w billet header and is what i use on my 8 second racecar. I mentioned to James at SCF i will not even compare that because of potential conflict of interest on my end. if someone wants to take their 16w header after and compare, thats fine with me. the reason i was quick to discredit James is because as much as he says he is not biased to anyone, he had been posting about receiving multiple sets of them to test and kept implying how unbiased he is. that was weeks ago and basically made me think to myself that he is in bed with MAP. then the results come out, he tests it against the biggest pos on the market claiming it as one of the best and gains 70whp on a fp green? if we see HALF those gains compared to killerb, i promise you right now ill put one on my race car and tip my hat off to you. but letting you know the way the data was presented to us couldnt have looked further from the truth.

i have two cars i want to compare it to. stock fbo vf48 15 sti and also a built fp black car. both running two bolt killerb headers. i rather compare both side of the spectrum. if it gains on both, ill have a great new option to offer customers, if not ill let you know and you can then send the header to whoever else you like to try it. best bet is you take if any criticism we have at all and apply it to it and improve on the design, then we all win.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:45 PM   #41
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If you send me a free one, I'll test it before/after on my relatively stock (stock turbo) 2017 STi
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:15 PM   #42
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Lol Agency Power aka vividracing the most criminal, conniving aftermarket company still in existence

I would also love to be a candidate as an independent tester for these headers. I'll get IAG to put them on the dyno and run it on my modified set up and compared it to my trusty GTSpec EL headers that I've logged 110k miles on

If they produce awesome results, I will channel my inner Mormon and spread the praises from the highest of mountains to the lowest of lands - via the interwebs.

Here is my setup http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-membe...000-miles.html (my name comes up as a google suggestion )

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Old 02-15-2017, 08:45 AM   #43
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Really appreciate that guys. I must say man, I truly don't see how a simple manifold can gain 70whp over another aftermarket manifold either. Most people barely get that with a bolt on upgrade turbo. I think Leo was excited that a "Subaru Specialist" was willing to do some back to back testing with our header. But I can totally see there may be more to the eye than what I am witnessing. Like I said earlier, we are NOT looking for biased or favored opinions. We believe getting these in the hands of other shops and tuners, that we can get great feedback on the quality, fitment, and how it performs. That's pretty much it

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Just to say that we are not looking to skew results but also dont want to hear foul play if the numbers do not work out in your favor either. i also want to point out that as much as we are fans of KillerB, i especially do not discriminate when it comes to performance products that help this platform. if this header option steadily outperforms the killerb, i would be more than happy to have another offering on the table for our customer. i was actually the one who spear headed the 16w billet header and is what i use on my 8 second racecar. I mentioned to James at SCF i will not even compare that because of potential conflict of interest on my end. if someone wants to take their 16w header after and compare, thats fine with me. the reason i was quick to discredit James is because as much as he says he is not biased to anyone, he had been posting about receiving multiple sets of them to test and kept implying how unbiased he is. that was weeks ago and basically made me think to myself that he is in bed with MAP. then the results come out, he tests it against the biggest pos on the market claiming it as one of the best and gains 70whp on a fp green? if we see HALF those gains compared to killerb, i promise you right now ill put one on my race car and tip my hat off to you. but letting you know the way the data was presented to us couldnt have looked further from the truth.

i have two cars i want to compare it to. stock fbo vf48 15 sti and also a built fp black car. both running two bolt killerb headers. i rather compare both side of the spectrum. if it gains on both, ill have a great new option to offer customers, if not ill let you know and you can then send the header to whoever else you like to try it. best bet is you take if any criticism we have at all and apply it to it and improve on the design, then we all win.
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:51 PM   #44
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Oh man, this is a beautiful thread for laughing.
First it's a bogus test/data.
Second, AP as the best on the market??!!
Third, the armchair engineers in here claiming who's copying who and what designs are better. Anyone comparing this to a Perrin 4-2-1 or a KB 4-1 is apparently clueless in header design criteria.



I'm looking forward to a real test.

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Old 02-16-2017, 03:50 AM   #45
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Here for Jr/Prime results.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:49 PM   #46
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Considering a Header is one of the next mods on our project WRX, we are very interested in the results of this testing
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:22 PM   #47
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Totally bogus/nonsense claims are so common on nabisco by now that I'm genuinely surprised to see anyone call anyone else out anymore.

In for real results
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Old 02-18-2017, 09:31 AM   #48
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Didnt see these on your website?
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:57 PM   #49
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In for independent dyno numbers.

Comparing the two, I like the MAP collector a lot more than the KillerB. Less aggressive angle so should be less 'lossy'
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:27 PM   #50
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Lol Agency Power aka vividracing the most criminal, conniving aftermarket company still in existence

I would also love to be a candidate as an independent tester for these headers. I'll get IAG to put them on the dyno and run it on my modified set up and compared it to my trusty GTSpec EL headers that I've logged 110k miles on

If they produce awesome results, I will channel my inner Mormon and spread the praises from the highest of mountains to the lowest of lands - via the interwebs.

Here is my setup http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-membe...000-miles.html (my name comes up as a google suggestion )
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