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Old 10-28-2020, 01:10 PM   #26
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I'm not debating this. As you said, the Civic HB is way more useful that a sedan and that's good enough for me.
I have a sedan with a large 16 cu.ft trunk and the cargo area of the Civic HB is just plain better.
Don't get me wrong, the Golf is very good.
But, the Civic is just a roomier vehicle in every single dimension and it still manages to be lighter.
That being said, it's a Veloster N thread and it's less practical than either Golf or Civic and it's missing a door too .


Look at that lift over height. Practicality is not the VNs forte.
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Old 10-28-2020, 01:53 PM   #27
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Look at that lift over height. Practicality is not the VNs forte.
Yup, it's not good A I30 N / Elantra GT N is what we really needed.
Alas, Veloster N is what we got.
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:01 PM   #28
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Smaller lighter would have been a better.
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:19 PM   #29
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Yup, it's not good A I30 N / Elantra GT N is what we really needed.
Alas, Veloster N is what we got.
It's true. They could have just taken every single part that makes a VN a VN and stuck it onto a four door hatch and the result would have been no worse in performance and better in all ways practicality related.
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:49 PM   #30
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I'm not debating this. As you said, the Civic HB is way more useful that a sedan and that's good enough for me.
I have a sedan with a large 16 cu.ft trunk and the cargo area of the Civic HB is just plain better.
Don't get me wrong, the Golf is very good.
But, the Civic is just a roomier vehicle in every single dimension and it still manages to be lighter.
That being said, it's a Veloster N thread and it's less practical than either Golf or Civic and it's missing a door too .
Fair, I just don't like that the CTR gets called a hatchback, and then is brought into comparisons with cars like the Veloster N. To me, the CTR is as much a Veloster N competitor as the WRX is... ie not a direct competitor. Maybe cross-shopped, but doesn't deserve to be in the same category for comparisons.
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Old 10-28-2020, 03:54 PM   #31
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WRX and BRZ gets thrown into hot hatch comparos. For shrugs I guess.
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Old 10-29-2020, 02:13 AM   #32
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Maybe they raised the price to make room for a cheaper Kona N
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Old 10-29-2020, 01:10 PM   #33
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Maybe they raised the price to make room for a cheaper Kona N
Maybe. Good thinking !
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:24 PM   #34
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I can't imagine a kona being cheaper than the veloster.
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Old 10-29-2020, 05:02 PM   #35
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Look at that lift over height. Practicality is not the VNs forte.
This was the same argument with the Volvo C30. Fun Car (Ford Focus RS in sheeps clothing) but simply not as practical.

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Old 04-24-2021, 08:13 AM   #36
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First drive review: 2021 Hyundai Veloster N builds hot hatch credibility with 8-speed dual-clutch transmission

I’ve had the 2021 Hyundai Veloster N for a few days and really haven’t put it or its new 8-speed dual-clutch transmission to the test. With a spring snow coming in the next couple of days, it’s now or never.

Even as I’m on the freeway heading toward a twisty road, the fun is beginning thanks Hyundai’s N button. Similar to a Race, Track, or Sport+ mode in other cars, the N button on the right side of the Veloster N’s steering wheel sets every vehicle system on high alert. The throttle is at its sharpest, the transmission holds gears lower and longer, the adjustable dampers get stiffer than Matt Gaetz at a high school pep rally, the traction control takes a break, and the stability control loosens up.

The fun right now is thanks to the new transmission. When I hit N mode, the 8-speed dual-clutch transmission drops a couple gears, the revs rise, and the throttle response becomes immediate. It’s fun to goose the go pedal in my own imaginary highway grand prix, but the stiff dampers are threatening to frappe my kidneys and the 275-hp 2.0-liter turbo-4 is droning out a booming sound that could be used to break uncooperative witnesses.

In the name of comfort I switch back to Normal mode and hunt down roads that aren’t arrow straight. The drive involves some freeway and country highway, and the transmission stays in the background, shifting smoothly and at relatively low rpm.

The area around Holy Hill in Hubertus, Wisconsin, is part of the Kettle Moraine that runs from the south central portion of the state up to the Door County peninsula. The area that was created by two glaciers coming together creates hills and valleys in a state that was mostly flattened by the glaciers, and that means the roads have some twists and turns.

As fun as it was to play with the powertrain calibrations on the freeway, it’s more fun in the twisties. With a few miles of country road ahead of me, I punch the N button again, feel the car champ at the bit, and head off.

Up and down through the gears and this road, the transmission doesn’t slam from gear to gear. It just shifts quickly and keeps the engine in its power band. While I don’t feel the transmission falling behind, I can shift my own gears with the large, metallic shift paddles when I choose.

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2021 Hyundai Veloster N

Short of a racetrack, this is the Veloster N’s natural habitat. The quick steering becomes immediately apparent. The Veloster N has a go-kart-like feel. It slashes into corners with a response matched by few cars today. When I dive into a corner, the P235/35R10 Pirelli P Zero tires provide stubborn grip and the suspension fights back, keeping the low-set hot hatch flat and holding onto that energy in the suspension to shoot the car back in the opposite direction when I flick the wheel. With handling like this, the Veloster N now carries the mantle as today’s most engaging hot hatch.

The Veloster N makes some compromises to attain that title. The ride quality, which is nearly unbearable in N mode, isn’t the only thing that either feels unfinished or sport oriented to the detriment of day-to-day driving. The interior plastics show the kind of cost cutting that comes with a sub-$35,000 performance car. The engine noise drones on like a politician on C-Span. Even with that odd third door, the back seat is tight. And the Pirellis aren’t made for the damn snow that’s coming in the next couple of days.

2021 Hyundai Veloster N

2021 Hyundai Veloster N

However, the dual-clutch transmission is a good addition to the Veloster N. While I still prefer the engaging 6-speed manual that was available from the start, I’d put up quicker lap times with the dual-clutch automatic if I were driving the Veloster N on California’s Thunderhill Raceway like I did at the car’s initial launch.

The new transmission does what it’s supposed to do: provide ready power when needed and slink off into the background during normal driving. And when the freeway drive becomes monotonous, it lets you hit the N button to make power readily available and create your own imaginary racing games.

Hyundai provided a week in a 2021 Veloster N and thousands of years ago glaciers dumped silt across Wisconsin for Motor Authority to bring you this firsthand report.
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Old 04-26-2021, 10:36 AM   #37
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2021 Hyundai Veloster N DCT First Test: Somehow Even Better

Hyundai turns up the wick on the Veloster N

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hyun...t-test-review/
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Old 04-26-2021, 11:02 AM   #38
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Meh.. if FWD is okay I'd start with the TypeR and maybe do an exhaust for the tone and be done with it. No sense buying an inferior car and adding crap to make it better when there is a finished one available out of the box.
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Old 04-26-2021, 11:13 AM   #39
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Yeah, for that price I'm definitely not going for that wonky door set up. I'm sure it's buckets of fun to drive, but for similar money, I'd rather have the CTR.
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I'd still opt for the manual, but 1.2 seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile. Hot damn!
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Old 04-26-2021, 11:43 AM   #41
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Yeah, for that price I'm definitely not going for that wonky door set up. I'm sure it's buckets of fun to drive, but for similar money, I'd rather have the CTR.
The MT Veloster N is $32,250. Type R is $37,895. $5645 is not an insignificant difference. The thing is that you can get the N at a lower price where the R is actually being sold at or above its list price.
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Old 04-26-2021, 11:49 AM   #42
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CTR is a different class of car though. Paying for more stuff. If the CTR were a chopped up less functional coupe thing with more bracing and rigidity and less roof and glass, it would likely perform better.

In summary, I would take a Honda Veloster Type R please.
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Old 04-26-2021, 12:13 PM   #43
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Bye Bye N, a new heard of sports cars coming next year that give way more for same of less cost. Wouldn't you really rather have a Nissan 400Z or STI ?
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STI is too big and a stupid sedan.

The Z only has two seats.

So nope.

Also rear facer seats. Ease of entry. Commanding view of the road. For good measured.
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Bye Bye N, a new heard of sports cars coming next year that give way more for same of less cost. Wouldn't you really rather have a Nissan 400Z or STI ?
Based only on rumors. Until then....
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Old 04-26-2021, 12:19 PM   #46
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The MT Veloster N is $32,250. Type R is $37,895. $5645 is not an insignificant difference. The thing is that you can get the N at a lower price where the R is actually being sold at or above its list price.
Exactly. Used 2018/2019 CTRs are going for MSRP of new CTRs and new CTRs are going for $50K (at least, around here).
Having said that, there are only 1 or 2 new Veloster N for sale in the entire state of Cali (might be zero by the time I post this).
Hyundai has been keeping Veloster N inventory *extremely* low; way lower than CTR inventory.
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STI is too big and a stupid sedan.

The Z only has two seats.

So nope.

Also rear facer seats. Ease of entry. Commanding view of the road. For good measured.
There 6 other cars about to intro next year. Many are not FWD . Have you bought an N ? If not wait.
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Bye Bye N, a new heard of sports cars coming next year that give way more for same of less cost. Wouldn't you really rather have a Nissan 400Z or STI ?
Both of those cars will be more expensive. Despite the rumors there's a good chance the 400Z comes in over $40k. Also we are in an era where a Hyundai is probably more desirable than a Nissan.
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The MT Veloster N is $32,250. Type R is $37,895. $5645 is not an insignificant difference. The thing is that you can get the N at a lower price where the R is actually being sold at or above its list price.
I'd wager you'll make up that difference on the backend in depreciation.
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I'd wager you'll make up that difference on the backend in depreciation.
True, but that's why I would look at a CPO N vs any of the crazy used prices for a Type R.
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