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Old 10-27-2020, 07:07 AM   #2876
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ine-japan/amp/ I'm not sure which vehicle they are pertaining too, but this quote from the article is interesting.
"When contacted for this story, a spokesperson said the American arm of the company had "no comment on future product" and that its "next big news will be on November 17." So, watch this space."
Probably BRZ reveal date.
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:07 AM   #2877
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people are dumb. they do the same thing as they did with houses before the last financial crisis. if the bank will give them a monthly payment loan amount, they will spend every penny of that without actually doing the math to see if it is a wise decision.
I got several subordinates in their 20s makin' $15/hour, I seen them roll up one after the other drivin' decked out new $60,000 Ford 150s and Ram TRXs. Everyone livin' on credit.
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Old 10-27-2020, 10:07 AM   #2878
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I got several subordinates in their 20s makin' $15/hour, I seen them roll up one after the other drivin' decked out new $60,000 Ford 150s and Ram TRXs. Everyone livin' on credit.
Yes, just have to hope they course-correct before it starts to count. By my late 20's I thought back regretfully at the money I spent on cars in the prior decade. Now in my mid-30's I'm glad I did what I did... you're only young once damnit!

My acceptable new car price range has steadily dropped as my income has risen. I am pained to imagine spending more than $30k on a car, which was the bottom of my price range out of college. At this rate, by 2050 I will be reluctant to spend more than $1000 on a "new" car. I have finally attained an understanding of my father.
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:53 AM   #2879
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yeah which is why I brought up the topic about who really can or should be tracking their STI, the truth is probably a select few.
Heck, even when I had my STI I could barely truly afford it and I got a crazy good deal and my payment was like half of what everyone else says they were paying a month in the meets.

anyway, in my mid 30s now, my goal as far as cars would be to own 2.
I've come to the realization that you can have very sick pre-owned cars.
More and more I'm drawn to just getting an imported JDM rig like a Pajero or Prado/Land Cruiser diesel or something and a nice JDM fun sports car whether it's an RX7 Skyline etc.. I'd be set.
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:55 AM   #2880
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I want to live in that country where, in 2020, a 40.000$ car is not expensive. Each member has a car, and one can trash an STI at the track without worries, because fuel and parts are cheap for an STI.
I don't know that it's "not expensive" from an absolute standpoint, but from a relative standpoint, the average new car in the US costs $36k. Also, in the US, people live the debt lifestyle (maybe elsewhere too, but I don't know about other countries). Here, people decide what to buy based upon how large of a monthly payment they can handle. Few consider the total end cost (interest payments, lost investment opportunity, lower cash flow, inability to weather sudden pandemics as their lifestyle requires a steady influx of cash vs being able to live off savings).

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Yes, just have to hope they course-correct before it starts to count. By my late 20's I thought back regretfully at the money I spent on cars in the prior decade. Now in my mid-30's I'm glad I did what I did... you're only young once damnit!

My acceptable new car price range has steadily dropped as my income has risen. I am pained to imagine spending more than $30k on a car, which was the bottom of my price range out of college. At this rate, by 2050 I will be reluctant to spend more than $1000 on a "new" car. I have finally attained an understanding of my father.
I modded my WRX like crazy from age 23 to 29. When it got wrecked, I slowed down. Granted, I have two other fun project cars. It's funny how my wife and I now make double what we did when we got married and like you, our price range has fallen. I bought my 2006 WRX new when I was single and making half what I make now. Our latest purchase was a Pacifica. New was $50k for the trim/options we wanted. We waited it out a couple years and got one with every single option ever for $33k, and even that was "eehhhh....not sure I want to spend $33k". lol. 23 year old me spent $27k on a WRX without thinking too hard.
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:40 PM   #2881
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priorities change, it's normal
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Old 10-27-2020, 01:25 PM   #2882
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priorities change, it's normal
Such a reasonable and level headed take. Are you sure you don't want to make some sweeping hyperbolic comments about peoples' lack of financial intelligence?
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Old 10-27-2020, 05:11 PM   #2883
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I haven't modded my subies in years.
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Old 10-27-2020, 05:39 PM   #2884
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Such a reasonable and level headed take. Are you sure you don't want to make some sweeping hyperbolic comments about peoples' lack of financial intelligence?
tell us, where did one of my comments touch you?
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Old 10-27-2020, 06:12 PM   #2885
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I don’t think I would only have my STI as a only car. Currently have a impreza hatch DD and a STI. The STI is a 20 but, I work as an essential employee and the old ring land or rod bearing problems always stick in my head.

If the next gen turns out awesome, I will sell the 20 and on year 2-3 get next gen.
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:50 PM   #2886
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tell us, where did one of my comments touch you?
Obviously it didn’t touch you in your sarcasm detector.
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Old 10-28-2020, 06:57 AM   #2887
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I don’t think I would only have my STI as a only car. Currently have a impreza hatch DD and a STI. The STI is a 20 but, I work as an essential employee and the old ring land or rod bearing problems always stick in my head.

If the next gen turns out awesome, I will sell the 20 and on year 2-3 get next gen.
That's thinking like an Alfa owner!
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Old 10-28-2020, 09:52 AM   #2888
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Obviously it didn't touch you in your sarcasm detector.

nope, I detected sarcasm. It's just that your sarcasm insinuates that comments about people's lack of financial intelligence are somehow unfounded or ridiculous.



Therefore, I took it to mean that your sarcasm was trying to mock me, since, well, my comments in this thread where about how the majority of STI owners shouldn't be tracking their car. Which goes in line with the notion that people do lack financial intellegence.

If that's the wrong assessment, then I have no clue what your sarcasm was trying to insinuate when you said " you sure you don't wanna make a sweeping hyperbolic comment about people's lack of financial intelligence" ......
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Old 10-28-2020, 10:11 AM   #2889
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nope, I detected sarcasm. It's just that your sarcasm insinuates that comments about people's lack of financial intelligence are somehow unfounded or ridiculous.



Therefore, I took it to mean that your sarcasm was trying to mock me, since, well, my comments in this thread where about how the majority of STI owners shouldn't be tracking their car. Which goes in line with the notion that people do lack financial intellegence.

If that's the wrong assessment, then I have no clue what your sarcasm was trying to insinuate when you said " you sure you don't wanna make a sweeping hyperbolic comment about people's lack of financial intelligence" ......
Wait... Why SHOULDN'T STI owners track their STI? To me, an STI is underutilized on the street, while the WRX runs out of breath on the track. Having owned both, you obviously need to modify both to make them more durable, but their baselines are not the same.

I always thought that was obvious, but I'm finding more and more people who believe they're interchangeable. If you're commuting to work and don't really push your car frequently then the STI is overkill. The WRX is great for that. But if you're a public road asshat or potential track rat then the STI is the better tool for such means.
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Old 10-28-2020, 10:40 AM   #2890
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Wait... Why SHOULDN'T STI owners track their STI? To me, an STI is underutilized on the street, while the WRX runs out of breath on the track. Having owned both, you obviously need to modify both to make them more durable, but their baselines are not the same.

I always thought that was obvious, but I'm finding more and more people who believe they're interchangeable. If you're commuting to work and don't really push your car frequently then the STI is overkill. The WRX is great for that. But if you're a public road asshat or potential track rat then the STI is the better tool for such means.
I would agree. I have owned both, and tracked (HPDE, don't make fun of me) WRXs.

That being said, I still want another STI, despite being mostly a daily.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:00 AM   #2891
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I would agree. I have owned both, and tracked (HPDE, don't make fun of me) WRXs.

That being said, I still want another STI, despite being mostly a daily.
I never tracked my cars and I still want only the STI. It's kinda like future-proofing, at least where driving abuse is concerned. It has a perceived higher threshold. Plus aesthetically the STI has always looked more complete to me because of the Brembos and whatever else they tack on to it over the standard WRX (side mirror turn signals and LED headlights standard, etc).
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:18 AM   #2892
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Wait... Why SHOULDN'T STI owners track their STI? To me, an STI is underutilized on the street, while the WRX runs out of breath on the track. Having owned both, you obviously need to modify both to make them more durable, but their baselines are not the same.

I always thought that was obvious, but I'm finding more and more people who believe they're interchangeable. If you're commuting to work and don't really push your car frequently then the STI is overkill. The WRX is great for that. But if you're a public road asshat or potential track rat then the STI is the better tool for such means.
I would say that if totaling your $40k car (very easy fraction of a second mistake on track) and having the insurance company tell you "sorry, you're SOL" would be a major life setback, you shouldn't track your car.

I made this very assessment when deciding against taking my Z to the track back in the day. Risk/reward was too extreme. Auto-X is much safer bet, very little risk of a problem there.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:33 AM   #2893
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Wait... Why SHOULDN'T STI owners track their STI? To me, an STI is underutilized on the street, while the WRX runs out of breath on the track. Having owned both, you obviously need to modify both to make them more durable, but their baselines are not the same.

I always thought that was obvious, but I'm finding more and more people who believe they're interchangeable. If you're commuting to work and don't really push your car frequently then the STI is overkill. The WRX is great for that. But if you're a public road asshat or potential track rat then the STI is the better tool for such means.
the majority of people that own an STI, that's their only car, or if they have another car it's another "family" car (wife's). Or perhaps their other car is the work pick up or another fun car aka Miata or something.

Point is, chances are, your other car is not going to be a 911 Turbo and a G Wagon... which means, again, for the majority of people, your STI is your newest and most expensive car. That alone, is already enough of a financial burden. Then think about tracking your car, that's not cheap..
So, what I'm saying is, that unless you're the dude that the STI is just another one to their collection and doesn't care about throwing it around a track without any care in the world, you probably shouldn't be tracking your STI and most probably an irresponsible endeavor financially for the majority of STI owners.

Whether the STI as a car should be taken to the track or whether the actual owners should be taking said car to the track, are 2 different things..

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Old 10-28-2020, 12:36 PM   #2894
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Was contemplating on waiting for the new STi, but my 2009 WRX is falling apart. I'm thinking about pulling a trigger on a 2020 model if the $$$ is low enough.
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Old 10-28-2020, 12:39 PM   #2895
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Okay. I see what's being said now. I keep trying to rationalize things, but they're emotional investments.

I'm not saying people have to make a Time Attack STI. I'm just thinking about casual race days. But, you're correct about 99% of STI owners not tracking their car, myself included. I just tend to drive like an "ass", depending on one's perception at my moment of action, so for me an STI allows me to get away with more.

I just know some STI owners who NEVER go over the speed limit, autox, track, or even play in the snow. It hurts my heart. Just get a WRX at that point.

BUT, their purchase ensures that the STI continues coming to North America, so I really shouldn't complain. They're certainly not hurting anyone.
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Old 10-28-2020, 12:39 PM   #2896
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Was contemplating on waiting for the new STi, but my 2009 WRX is falling apart. I'm thinking about pulling a trigger on a 2020 model if the $$$ is low enough.
Is it a sedan or hatch?
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Old 10-28-2020, 12:50 PM   #2897
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Is it a sedan or hatch?
It's a sedan.
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Old 10-28-2020, 12:51 PM   #2898
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Was contemplating on waiting for the new STi, but my 2009 WRX is falling apart. I'm thinking about pulling a trigger on a 2020 model if the $$$ is low enough.
I got rid of my 2006 WRX wagon back in November 2019 for just that reason, but when I test drove a new STI, I wasn't into it. It wasn't noticeably quicker than my 15 year old (modified) WRX, the ride was harsher than my 06, which had full suspension under it. It felt like a horizontal move, or in reality a backwards move because it was a sedan instead of a wagon with no benefits other than being newer.
I've been in my IS350 since January... it's been 10 months of trouble free motoring, haven't even done an oil change yet, just put gas in it and drive... nothing has broken, squeaked, squealed, or given me cause for concern... Had I kept my WRX I would have done a driveline swap by now (5spd wasn't happy) likely had to replace a ball joint, wheel bearings, head gaskets, or some other items that gave out due to age and/or mileage.
I'm not saying a Lexus is right for you, but I am suggesting looking outside of Subaru.
IF I could have found a blue or red low mileage, reasonably priced example of stock 2014 STI hatch, I might have gone that way, but that is a combination that just doesn't exist in the wild, and they were commanding a higher MSRP than 15+ used models anyways.
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It's a sedan.
Yeah, I'd go for a discounted 2020. No sense in money pitting an old model if you can just replace your sedan with a newer model. Unless you really want the FA24DIT.
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Old 10-28-2020, 01:01 PM   #2900
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