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Old 11-24-2020, 09:33 AM   #3176
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Haha, I didn't say I enjoy the VA's interior. I just said I never bought it for its interior. Hell I don't even like sedans. I bought the car for the pure driving fun and modding it to my liking, that is all.

This is why I keep saying the STI should be released in an unpractical 2 door coupe. That would be my preference, but I don't keep nagging and whining about it.
My bad my bad. And I agree about an STI coupe. Subaru should give us their best tech in their best package. A slightly bigger BRZ, but with AWD, turbo, manual.
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Old 11-24-2020, 12:20 PM   #3177
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I guess I'm one of the simple ones. Didn't need anything fancy nor got the car for the interior. I traded in my 2009 WRX, had that for almost 12years since brand new with just a OTS Cobb flash. Never had any issues, it was just getting old and needed to replace things. I ended up getting the 2020 STI with no regrets of waiting for the new one. I also know that the new STI will cost much more since its HP will be rumored @around 400. Didn't want to spend anymore than the cost of a 2020 STI and am content with the current HP.
Congrats on the 2020. I've not driven the refresh VA STI, but I hear it's quite improved from my 2016. I've driven the original 2015 WRX and my WRX is a 2019 Limited. There is significant improvement between the 2015 and 2019 (although the ECU Map was still crap; reflashed with AP), so I am sure your 2020 is quite good. I was scratching my head whether to trade my 2016 for the white version, but decided my 2016 with minor mods was still worth something to me, so decided to keep it. Plus having 2 different facias is fun.

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My bad my bad. And I agree about an STI coupe. Subaru should give us their best tech in their best package. A slightly bigger BRZ, but with AWD, turbo, manual.
Yes, that would be most excellent. And Subaru can continue skimping on the interior if that is where they need to compromise to maintain the fun driving dynamics at the limited price. The more expensive these cars get, the less interest I have because I would much rather be driving a Cayman-GTS or M4 vs a S209 or my Supra over a TypeRA which I thought was a joke.
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Old 11-24-2020, 01:31 PM   #3178
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I guess I'm one of the simple ones. Didn't need anything fancy nor got the car for the interior. I traded in my 2009 WRX, had that for almost 12years since brand new with just a OTS Cobb flash. Never had any issues, it was just getting old and needed to replace things. I ended up getting the 2020 STI with no regrets of waiting for the new one. I also know that the new STI will cost much more since its HP will be rumored @around 400. Didn't want to spend anymore than the cost of a 2020 STI and am content with the current HP.
Likewise, I have no complaints about the interior in my 2020 WRX Limited. I wouldn't mind a bit less road noise, but quiet serenity is not high on my list of priorities for a non-luxury sport compact, especially if it comes at the expense of weight or tire selection.

I've been in a recent Crosstrek. Its donor Impreza's interior has been hailed as a drastic improvement over the last Impreza's (and thus the current WRX's) but I honestly didn't see it. Did it have more of a cacophony of geometric shapes than my car's interior? Sure. But that doesn't register as "nicer" to my eye, and nothing jumped out at me in the way of huge/needed improvements to materials quality. It was fine. My car's is fine. I had no strong preference either way.

That's not to say I think Subaru can do no wrong with its interiors. I had my 2010 Impreza 2.5GT for almost a decade. I liked that car, but that generation's interior was truly a low point for the Impreza and its derivatives. Not bad looking, but just SO cheap feeling, and more rattle-prone than any other Subaru I've owned. (Rattles annoy me far more than road noise or perceived shortcomings in interior materials or design.) Both the preceding and succeeding generations seemed massively better.

While the current one doesn't go out of its way to be visually entertaining, I find it appealing in a clean, functional way. Most other brands' recent vehicles I've been in seemed too "busy" on the inside. Not for me, but maybe that's what some prefer.

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Old 11-24-2020, 01:37 PM   #3179
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I do like the simplicity of my 19 WRX as well. It's a cleaner interior than my 16 STI's toy-ish look thanks to the refresh. I wished they put the same cup holders in the WRX with the retractable cover, but I'm not complaining.

Only 2 major performance gripes I have with the WRX are the brakes.. and gearing. It's a night/day weakness vs the STI.

Exterior wise, both cars look cool to me. Both run the factory STI aero pieces front/side/rear and OEM window visors.
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Old 11-24-2020, 04:38 PM   #3180
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As for interiors; in my ‘15 STI I like the main gauges. The camera/info screen is too small (enlarged in later model years). I really don’t like that all the switches aren’t all illuminated, that the view of some of the buttons/switches are blocked by the steering wheel and stalks, that some of the buttons/switches are positioned in a downward orientation as though they should be viewed from the floor looking up. I don’t like blank switch holders. I don’t like the flimsy console lock. I don’t like that the sun visors don’t extend and that they can’t be relied upon to stay exactly where I want them. I would like a heated steering wheel.I’d like apple car play. I’d like a space to mount my phone up high with a charge port nearby. I’d like the buttons for sun roof to be more obviously instructive.I’d like more charge ports for passengers. I’d like on the fly driver controlled suspension adjustment. I don’t like that the rear seat backs don’t have a 3 way fold down option. I don’t like that a full sized tire can’t fit in the wheel well. I would like the onboard computer to monitor when and what specifics fluids need to be refilled/replaced. Heck, detailed scheduled maintenance and warranty should be on call. I’d like individual tire monitoring. Most of all I’d like better cargo capacity configuration ( a wagon). I don’t like the vertical vents on the new Impreza, makes the interior looked cramped and claustrophobic.
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Old 11-24-2020, 06:35 PM   #3181
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A good chunk of your issues have been addressed with the newer Impreza, which is why I'm really looking forward to seeing what the STI offers. The maintenance schedule and tire monitoring is pretty sweet. Also the upper display has an incline indicator and the 4-wheels display shows which direction your front tires are pointed. Seems silly, but sometimes the steering wheel looks straight, but the tires aren't, because of an odd park job (not typically by me). AND there's the display that shows which external lights are on, like DRL, beam, brakes, whatever. I personally don't need to know that, but I'm sure it's helpful to some.
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Old 11-24-2020, 07:42 PM   #3182
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As for interiors; in my ‘15 STI I like the main gauges. The camera/info screen is too small (enlarged in later model years). I really don’t like that all the switches aren’t all illuminated, that the view of some of the buttons/switches are blocked by the steering wheel and stalks, that some of the buttons/switches are positioned in a downward orientation as though they should be viewed from the floor looking up. I don’t like blank switch holders. I don’t like the flimsy console lock. I don’t like that the sun visors don’t extend and that they can’t be relied upon to stay exactly where I want them. I would like a heated steering wheel.I’d like apple car play. I’d like a space to mount my phone up high with a charge port nearby. I’d like the buttons for sun roof to be more obviously instructive.I’d like more charge ports for passengers. I’d like on the fly driver controlled suspension adjustment. I don’t like that the rear seat backs don’t have a 3 way fold down option. I don’t like that a full sized tire can’t fit in the wheel well. I would like the onboard computer to monitor when and what specifics fluids need to be refilled/replaced. Heck, detailed scheduled maintenance and warranty should be on call. I’d like individual tire monitoring. Most of all I’d like better cargo capacity configuration ( a wagon). I don’t like the vertical vents on the new Impreza, makes the interior looked cramped and claustrophobic.
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Old 11-25-2020, 09:59 AM   #3183
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As for interiors; in my ‘15 STI I like the main gauges. The camera/info screen is too small (enlarged in later model years). I really don’t like that all the switches aren’t all illuminated, that the view of some of the buttons/switches are blocked by the steering wheel and stalks, that some of the buttons/switches are positioned in a downward orientation as though they should be viewed from the floor looking up. I don’t like blank switch holders. I don’t like the flimsy console lock. I don’t like that the sun visors don’t extend and that they can’t be relied upon to stay exactly where I want them. I would like a heated steering wheel.I’d like apple car play. I’d like a space to mount my phone up high with a charge port nearby. I’d like the buttons for sun roof to be more obviously instructive.I’d like more charge ports for passengers. I’d like on the fly driver controlled suspension adjustment. I don’t like that the rear seat backs don’t have a 3 way fold down option. I don’t like that a full sized tire can’t fit in the wheel well. I would like the onboard computer to monitor when and what specifics fluids need to be refilled/replaced. Heck, detailed scheduled maintenance and warranty should be on call. I’d like individual tire monitoring. Most of all I’d like better cargo capacity configuration ( a wagon). I don’t like the vertical vents on the new Impreza, makes the interior looked cramped and claustrophobic.
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Old 11-25-2020, 01:13 PM   #3184
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....sometimes the steering wheel looks straight, but the tires aren't, because of an odd park job (not typically by me).
not odd at all.

parallel parking on an incline:
assume your parking brake will fail, assume the clutch doesn't keep the transmission in gear, so what happens if you're parked on an incline and these things fail? your car rolls straight.

turn your wheels so the tires will roll into the curb, this is the final safety measure to ensure that if everything else fails, your car will stay put.

I mean, the chances of being struck by lightning are a fair bit higher than both parking brake and transmission failure (at least when parked), but people do get struck by lightning, so may as well crank that wheel to roll into a curb should everything else fail.

hell, even if you are parked in your driveway and your driveway would send you into the street if your wheels are straight, wouldn't you rather have your car slowly bump your mailbox, or another car in your driveway, or a tree. rather than roll into the middle of a street where some texting mom will t-bone, and even though she wasn't paying attention, it's still your fault?
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Old 11-25-2020, 01:20 PM   #3185
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I mean, I know it's good to have your wheel turned while parked at an incline, but that's not a regular situation for me.

When I drove my BRZ around San Francisco I did turn the wheels while parked because I'd read an article that articulated almost exactly what you just posted.

I just meant "odd" as in, "Hey, I let this person borrow my car and they parked it in my flat driveway with the wheels turned, but they pulled the handbrake up and left the car in Park... " It's just kinda extra.
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Old 11-25-2020, 01:29 PM   #3186
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not odd at all.

parallel parking on an incline:
assume your parking brake will fail, assume the clutch doesn't keep the transmission in gear, so what happens if you're parked on an incline and these things fail? your car rolls straight.

turn your wheels so the tires will roll into the curb, this is the final safety measure to ensure that if everything else fails, your car will stay put.

I mean, the chances of being struck by lightning are a fair bit higher than both parking brake and transmission failure (at least when parked), but people do get struck by lightning, so may as well crank that wheel to roll into a curb should everything else fail.

hell, even if you are parked in your driveway and your driveway would send you into the street if your wheels are straight, wouldn't you rather have your car slowly bump your mailbox, or another car in your driveway, or a tree. rather than roll into the middle of a street where some texting mom will t-bone, and even though she wasn't paying attention, it's still your fault?
Odd situation: My old wrx was parked on a downhill. Turned wheels into curb, parking brake, left in gear, etc... My car was hit from behind by a new driver who freaked out when the car rolled forward while she was trying to parallel park and she stabbed the gas instead of the brake. My car was pushed up onto the curb and magically didn't hit the car that was parked in front of me because the turned wheels got the front end of my car out of the way before my car hit theirs... Made a ****ty situation a little easier to deal with. If my car had hit the one in front of me, that would have made the insurance claims a pita.
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Old 11-25-2020, 02:53 PM   #3187
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Didn't Subie Gal have a major event due to some failed parking gear/brake thing?
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Old 11-25-2020, 06:38 PM   #3188
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not odd at all.

parallel parking on an incline:
assume your parking brake will fail, assume the clutch doesn't keep the transmission in gear, so what happens if you're parked on an incline and these things fail? your car rolls straight.

turn your wheels so the tires will roll into the curb, this is the final safety measure to ensure that if everything else fails, your car will stay put.

I mean, the chances of being struck by lightning are a fair bit higher than both parking brake and transmission failure (at least when parked), but people do get struck by lightning, so may as well crank that wheel to roll into a curb should everything else fail.

hell, even if you are parked in your driveway and your driveway would send you into the street if your wheels are straight, wouldn't you rather have your car slowly bump your mailbox, or another car in your driveway, or a tree. rather than roll into the middle of a street where some texting mom will t-bone, and even though she wasn't paying attention, it's still your fault?
i've always parked my manual transmission cars with the wheels straight and in neutral with the parking brake on.
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Old 11-25-2020, 07:55 PM   #3189
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not odd at all.

parallel parking on an incline:
assume your parking brake will fail, assume the clutch doesn't keep the transmission in gear, so what happens if you're parked on an incline and these things fail? your car rolls straight.

turn your wheels so the tires will roll into the curb, this is the final safety measure to ensure that if everything else fails, your car will stay put.

I mean, the chances of being struck by lightning are a fair bit higher than both parking brake and transmission failure (at least when parked), but people do get struck by lightning, so may as well crank that wheel to roll into a curb should everything else fail.

hell, even if you are parked in your driveway and your driveway would send you into the street if your wheels are straight, wouldn't you rather have your car slowly bump your mailbox, or another car in your driveway, or a tree. rather than roll into the middle of a street where some texting mom will t-bone, and even though she wasn't paying attention, it's still your fault?
10th gen 6mT Honda Civics don't hold the car when parked in gear - the car will roll even on a fairly flat surface if you leave it in gear but don't use the parking brake. Had a few near misses getting used to that.

I've heard the explanation that the engine doesn't have enough internal friction to keep the car from rolling - dunno if that's BS.
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Old 11-25-2020, 09:39 PM   #3190
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the new 2022 brz is revealed, but the excitement has died down quickly and the lack of info on the new wrx is excruciating. but you have to wonder, would subaru really have a gap year of both of the sports cars. it seems highly unlikely. but maybe January or April can fix that
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All these reveals a year+ out by many manufacturers seems useless. I realize they want to remain relevant and on peoples' minds, but I don't think it gives any advantage, just waning buzz by the time its out.

I remember auto shows having reveals, but the car being available within a year. I don't get why that changed when internet reveals became a thing.
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What if that evil Biden guy going to extra tax on high emission cars? Has the STI and the WRX a future then?
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What if that evil Biden guy going to extra tax on high emission cars? Has the STI and the WRX a future then?
I would say a wrx hybrid has a future. some fascinating supercars are hybrids or all electric. it already has the high price which is already expected for hybrids
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the new 2022 brz is revealed, but the excitement has died down quickly and the lack of info on the new wrx is excruciating. but you have to wonder, would subaru really have a gap year of both of the sports cars. it seems highly unlikely. but maybe January or April can fix that
Spring is probably realistic given some WRX spy shots are out there.
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All these reveals a year+ out by many manufacturers seems useless. I realize they want to remain relevant and on peoples' minds, but I don't think it gives any advantage, just waning buzz by the time its out.

I remember auto shows having reveals, but the car being available within a year. I don't get why that changed when internet reveals became a thing.
It's all just marketing. Just like prototypes and concepts. No real gain other than buzz. I think it has more to do with timing reveals versus the competition reveals.

All internet reveals do is to avoid paying the auto show fees and not competing with other manufacturers in the same venue.
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What if that evil Biden guy going to extra tax on high emission cars? Has the STI and the WRX a future then?
I'm surprised the current STI can meet any current global emissions considering how old the engine tech is.
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I'm surprised the current STI can meet any current global emissions considering how old the engine tech is.
It can't. They don't sell it in the EU. In fact, the WRX can't even be sold there. Subaru engine designs are a generation behind at release.
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It can't. They don't sell it in the EU. In fact, the WRX can't even be sold there. Subaru engine designs are a generation behind at release.
At least they don’t have to cheat.
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It can't. They don't sell it in the EU. In fact, the WRX can't even be sold there. Subaru engine designs are a generation behind at release.
But they do in other markets. In fact, they replaced the EJ20 with the EJ25 in all other markets outside of Japan.
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At least they don’t have to cheat.
They don't have to cheat much. But, they got caught in their home market in 2018.
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