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Old 07-13-2019, 01:13 AM   #9901
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You can get the 800+ user manual and service manual from here:
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/harman-kardon/800-plus.shtml

Looks like the 800+ is solid state. Yours has tubes though? I have an old solid state h/k 730 twin receiver. Sounds really really good. I've retired it since going with separates, but just can't let it go.

I'm sure the inputs are fixed on the quad, I just mean the source that you'll use to output a 4 or 5 channel analog signal into it. Some of those oppos can be setup up either way. I know nothing about how this receiver might handle surround sound, but am stoked to hear how it goes for you.

Looks like it's only 4x22 watts in quad mode, so hopefully you have some efficient speakers.
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Old 07-13-2019, 10:14 AM   #9902
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Heads up Full Clip and anyone else looking, those Edifier R1850DB's are on sale today for $140 as opposed to $200.


https://slickdeals.net/?adobeRef=696...157e1b23435637
Saw that on slickdeals today, thanks for the tip. Very tempting at the price.

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Old 07-13-2019, 12:53 PM   #9903
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Saw that on slickdeals today, thanks for the tip. Very tempting at the price.

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Ordered.

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Old 07-13-2019, 01:46 PM   #9904
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You can get the 800+ user manual and service manual from here:
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_li...800-plus.shtml

Looks like the 800+ is solid state. Yours has tubes though? I have an old solid state h/k 730 twin receiver. Sounds really really good. I've retired it since going with separates, but just can't let it go.

I'm sure the inputs are fixed on the quad, I just mean the source that you'll use to output a 4 or 5 channel analog signal into it. Some of those oppos can be setup up either way. I know nothing about how this receiver might handle surround sound, but am stoked to hear how it goes for you.

Looks like it's only 4x22 watts in quad mode, so hopefully you have some efficient speakers.
It very well might be solid state, I was just talking out of my ass and assuming that a high-end piece of audio equipment from the 70s would have tubes. I saw that it was only 4x22 Watts, but it is brutally loud and sounds great even at high volume. I don't recall if I mentioned it but for stereo operation, I run it through two old Advent speakers. Plenty loud.
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Old 07-13-2019, 07:15 PM   #9905
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Ordered.

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Old 07-14-2019, 01:54 AM   #9906
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So I'm having Best Buy wall mount my 75" finally, and in prep for that I basically yanked out everything from where all of my AV stuff is. Also because I wanted to clean up the physical network and also hadn't cleaned the area in like 2 years. I know I had bad cable buildup, but wow! I ended up with about 7 extra network cables, couple random devices, and some junky LED light strips and controllers.

When I put it all back in, I didn't put the sub back in the same place and wired it so I could try moving it around the room. It was under the table the TV was on, basically dead center in front of my sitting spot, against a wall.

Now, it's about 2 feet out from either wall in a corner, and O.M.G. What a difference! I had tried it tucked into the same corner, but now it's pretty open air and amazing. I dunno if I can keep it there, but I'm going to try and keep it from the walls as much as possible.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:51 AM   #9907
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It very well might be solid state, I was just talking out of my ass and assuming that a high-end piece of audio equipment from the 70s would have tubes. I saw that it was only 4x22 Watts, but it is brutally loud and sounds great even at high volume. I don't recall if I mentioned it but for stereo operation, I run it through two old Advent speakers. Plenty loud.
Hahaha Nice. In stereo mode it's 2x50 watts, which is pretty decent for a 70's receiver.
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Old 07-14-2019, 12:13 PM   #9908
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Yeah, and contrary to modern stuff that seems overrated those classics punch above their ratings. All of my stereo receivers are from the 70's; Sansui, Kenwood, etc. There are a few from the 80's I'd like to have like Carver and Nakamichi but I only browse for those when I'm bored.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:40 PM   #9909
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Yeah, pretty sure they measured power differently back then. Those old 25-35w receivers can get plenty loud and keep it clean.

My 730 usually doesn't need to go past 1/3 even with spirited listening.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:21 AM   #9910
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Yeah, pretty sure they measured power differently back then. Those old 25-35w receivers can get plenty loud and keep it clean.

My 730 usually doesn't need to go past 1/3 even with spirited listening.
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Yeah, and contrary to modern stuff that seems overrated those classics punch above their ratings. All of my stereo receivers are from the 70's; Sansui, Kenwood, etc. There are a few from the 80's I'd like to have like Carver and Nakamichi but I only browse for those when I'm bored.
or they actually measured it in real world use, compared to today's garbage marketing: "this 11 channel AVR makes 150 watts*!!! (*with one channel driven to 5% THD at 4 ohms....)"
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:52 AM   #9911
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I have a Sansui 9090. I don't own a set of speakers I can really crank that sucker with!
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:42 AM   #9912
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I have a Sansui 9090. I don't own a set of speakers I can really crank that sucker with!
damn, those are bad ass!!! what speakers do you drive with it?
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Old 07-15-2019, 01:12 PM   #9913
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Just Boston Acoustics HD10s. The 9090 was a gift requiring a minor repair. I also use the Bostons for HT. So, nothing nearly as cool unfortunately.
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Old 07-15-2019, 03:32 PM   #9914
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gonna take it back in for repairs when I can. Getting ready to move by the end of the year so it'll be another housewarming gift to myself.

Just wanted to +1 Monoprice Cables. I have some that have been kicking for 8 years with no issues, and they're insanely cheap.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:47 AM   #9915
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What do you guys think about these?

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-24F...A1KWJVS57NX03I

I currently have some R51 bookshelf speakers on stands as L/R mains in my basement home theater. I have an Onkyo TX-NR676 receiver. I'm not running 7.2 yet so I would probably bi-amp them.

Any downsides to these? Reviews all seem pretty good, I'm just not sure if it's worth it.
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:10 PM   #9916
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What do you guys think about these?

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-24F...A1KWJVS57NX03I

I currently have some R51 bookshelf speakers on stands as L/R mains in my basement home theater. I have an Onkyo TX-NR676 receiver. I'm not running 7.2 yet so I would probably bi-amp them.

Any downsides to these? Reviews all seem pretty good, I'm just not sure if it's worth it.
worth it in what regard? They should have a similar sound signature as your R51's.

I love Klipsch speakers. I have the RP-250F as my L and R mains in my 5 channel system, which are sorta similar to these. however, I like that these are front ported, so you could keep them pretty close to the rear wall, without affecting the low end response, compared to a rear ported speaker.

mine are only bi-wired, using a 4 conductor cable, but I swear they sound better. it's probably due to not using the jumper, though a short piece of speaker wire could act as a better sounding jumper solution?
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:19 PM   #9917
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no experience with either the speakers you have, nor the larger ones on sale. Are they similar speakers just stand mount vs floorstanding? Fundamentally I think a floor standing 3 driver speaker in this price range doesnt make alot of sense. My guess is that similar money would be better spent high passing your mains and adding something like this https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-100...ctronics%2C168

I assume you don't have a sub already, because you are looking at bigger speakers for LF performance?
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:39 PM   #9918
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I have a decent sub already, not outstanding but good enough. I'm not a fan of having the bookshelf speakers mounted on stands as the mains. Partly for looks but also I can't seem to find a sweet spot for them. This could be one of those things in my head where I'm moving the goalposts saying "now these will fix my problem!" and then rinse and repeat.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #9919
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aschen raises some good points... I run my RP250F's full range, as I don't have a sub.

other than the aesthetics, what are the "problems" you hope these towers would to solve?
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:49 PM   #9920
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I've upgraded the tweeter, mid-range driver, and crossovers on my La Scala and I'm wishing I had bought these speakers years ago. Don't mind the TV on the ground, I started ripping apart the wall above the fireplace for some remodeling. I am going to redo the whole thing plus make a new mantle with a center channel speaker built into it.

The sub keeps up a lot better than I thought it would, especially in movies.

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Old 07-23-2019, 08:27 AM   #9921
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Bad asssssss!!!1 man, I would love to own a pair of La Scala's. Did you go with Bob Crites for the upgrades?
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Just did a quick search for those speakers and saw and $6,000 price tag. lol. No thanks.
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Old 07-23-2019, 09:40 AM   #9923
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Yep, all Crites stuff. I also got a new set of K-33's from Klipsch. I'll refinish the cabinets over winter and these 1978 built speakers will be better than new.
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Old 07-23-2019, 09:51 AM   #9924
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Just did a quick search for those speakers and saw and $6,000 price tag. lol. No thanks.
If you looked at the new AL-5 version, that's per speaker.


That said, these were built in 1978 and I prefer the older La Scala's over the new. I paid $800 and my buddy delivered them from California to Colorado for free. I'll have about $1,000 into upgrades and then whatever I spend on materials to refinish.

My dad bought a new set in 1982 and still has them (he did pay a decent chunk for them). Mine will essentially look like this when I refinish.

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so that plate amp is running the sub, then you're passively bi-amping the La Scala's via the Marantz? or is that sub powered? just noticed the Klipsch logo on that sub, but isn't that an SVS sub? must be modded??

I've been pretty intrigued with the Bob Crites Corn-scala kits. never heard them though. I run Forte III's in my 2 channel system, which are quite an incredible speaker.
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