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Old 09-10-2003, 04:40 PM   #26
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The STi is just a trimline.. not a car onto itself.

that's about as basic as I can get defining why this forum is being closed.

And to those who can't take it and have to jump ship.. good.
Not the mentality I like to see around.
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Old 09-10-2003, 04:53 PM   #27
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The STi is just a trimline.. not a car onto itself.

Agreed! But, again, the STi has some other things that will need discussion that is irrelavant to other Imprezzas, such as, to name a few:

1) DCCD
2) Tires (that fit its Brembo brakes)
3) Pinging issues
4) Tuning the turbo 2.5L engine

etc.... I am just seeing this kind of confusion if we merge the 2 forums together:

Person A: I did <blah> <blah> to my car.
Person B: Is that an STi?
Person A: Yup.
Person B: Should have put STi in the subject to stop people from guessing!
Person C: I wasted my time reading the post, because I have a regular WRX! Agreed, person B.
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:01 PM   #28
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Agreed! But, again, the STi has some other things that will need discussion that is irrelavant to other Imprezzas, such as, to name a few:

1) DCCD
2) Tires (that fit its Brembo brakes)
3) Pinging issues
4) Tuning the turbo 2.5L engine
And the WRX has some stuff that the 2.5RS doesn't have and vice-versa, yet they seem to be able to co-exist.


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etc.... I am just seeing this kind of confusion if we merge the 2 forums together:

Person A: I did <blah> <blah> to my car.
Person B: Is that an STi?
Person A: Yup.
Person B: Should have put STi in the subject to stop people from guessing!
Person C: I wasted my time reading the post, because I have a regular WRX! Agreed, person B.
Most of the things you do to an STi will be the exact same as a WRX. STi only mods will be few and far between and so will the threads.

This kind of confusion did happen a long time ago when the WRX came out and somehow people seemed to manage. It will take a bit of adjustment, but you won't even think about it much after a couple weeks unless you want to make a big deal out of it.
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:02 PM   #29
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Agreed! But, again, the STi has some other things that will need discussion that is irrelavant to other Imprezzas, such as, to name a few:

1) DCCD
2) Tires (that fit its Brembo brakes)
3) Pinging issues
4) Tuning the turbo 2.5L engine

etc.... I am just seeing this kind of confusion if we merge the 2 forums together:

Person A: I did <blah> <blah> to my car.
Person B: Is that an STi?
Person A: Yup.
Person B: Should have put STi in the subject to stop people from guessing!
Person C: I wasted my time reading the post, because I have a regular WRX! Agreed, person B.
OK and the WRX wagon has a different sawy bar an different strut mounts from the sedan. Should it get it's own suspension forum? No... That's just silly.

The STi shares THOUSANDS of parts with the rest of the imprezas... If you would look in the FFI forum, you'd see that Vishnu has had a lot of insight on the pinging problem. The WRX brakes have issues with rims (not tires) fitting over it's brakes. So, should it get a special brakes forum?

The STi is just a package for the impreza WRX... just like the WRX is a package for the Impreza.... and the old school 2.5rs was a package for the impreza....
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:10 PM   #30
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Guys, it's going away... I can edit the poll if you want me to show what will actually be happening . It's also very easy. General STi questions go in the New Age General forum. Questions about tires? Yep, the wheels and tires forum. The engine? Factory forced induction. Your DCCD? Well, I'm afraid it's still a center differential, and can be asked in the tranny forum. The STi info forum *will* be going away- it would be much more useful to put your efforts into posting where you should now, as it will be moved anyways . A "show of force" isn't going to make this not happen.


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Old 09-10-2003, 05:15 PM   #31
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Guys, it's going away... I can edit the poll if you want me to show what will actually be happening . It's also very easy. General STi questions go in the New Age General forum. Questions about tires? Yep, the wheels and tires forum. The engine? Factory forced induction. Your DCCD? Well, I'm afraid it's still a center differential, and can be asked in the tranny forum. The STi info forum *will* be going away- it would be much more useful to put your efforts into posting where you should now, as it will be moved anyways . A "show of force" isn't going to make this not happen.


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Old 09-10-2003, 05:30 PM   #32
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The God's have spoken!

Bow to God! I think merging the forum is liveable. My point is just that it is just less convenient to look for STi-specific information. On the other hand, one may learn something about their WRX/forced-induction brothers that may apply to the STis as well.
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:34 PM   #33
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Did anyone ever consider that maybe the forums should be broken down into seperate car catagories with one forum for miscellaneous subjects pertaining to all Imprezas?
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:48 PM   #34
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Did anyone ever consider that maybe the forums should be broken down into seperate car catagories with one forum for miscellaneous subjects pertaining to all Imprezas?
Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but there is a forum for all Imprezas from 2002 and up, and one for 2001 and lower.
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:51 PM   #35
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God,I got to get a life!! I am reading these
posts and Eric ss you are aSnow flake and thats a good thing as Martha would say!!
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Old 09-10-2003, 05:53 PM   #36
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Old 09-10-2003, 06:03 PM   #37
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if all the sti threads are gonna be moved into different forums, does that mean all the posts will count towards our post count?

just wondering.

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Old 09-10-2003, 07:32 PM   #38
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I posted a counter suggestion to the mod forum which is to deploy two new general discussion forums:

MY04+ (RS/WRX/TS/OBS)
MY04+ (STi)

Anything that is obviously fitting into the other technical forums would be moved, but we could have a small number of STi specific threads.

If you guys and gals like this idea, or not, please speak up.

Glenn

PS huh, just noticed the Classic 93-01 and Bugeye 01-02 forums went away. Shows you how much I look around.

PPS I'm not likely to spend the time to cruise around all of the technical forums reading or posting, too much to cover. My current main interest is the STi.
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Old 09-10-2003, 07:41 PM   #39
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Well, not that posting just for post count is a valid reason to post, but as long as the forum the threads go to are post-count forums (ie: I know some of this stuff is pretty much drivel and will end up in OT where posts don't count ) your post count won't be affected.

I also have to comment about something stated earlier by RafalW- the WRX was *not* the first forced induction Subaru in the USA- there were Loyales, BRATs, XTs (not the Forester), GLs, and RX/RS turbos long before the WRX, and long before even the Legacy Turbo . Also, if you look, I stated that, just like when we killed the WRX forum for the exact same reasons, I'm sorry you'll have to "wade through regular posts" but this is a message forum, and that's the unfortunate thing about them... they're always going to be full of things you don't want or need to read- just skip over them .

Glenn, I hate to be a bitch but an 04 STi is still an 02+ Impreza- there really is no need to create new forums where one already exists to suit the purpose IMHO .


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I posted a counter suggestion to the mod forum which is to deploy two new general discussion forums:

MY04+ (RS/WRX/TS/OBS)
MY04+ (STi)
I say no. The reason being that if it is going to be like that, it might as well be:

MY04+ (RS)
MY04+ (STi)
MY04+ (WRX)
MY04+ (TS)
MY04+ (OBS)

It gets very cluttered.

The MY02+ Impreza whether it be an STi or RS is built on the came chassis and has the same basic components.

Would you really want to clutter an STi forum with "I have an STi and my power window went out" types of questions because basic Impreza questions are most likely going to be mostly what's in there.

I can go through this forum and find another forum for EVERY SINGLE one of these threads in here.

But that is just my opinion
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Wow... This is exactly like 2 years ago when the WRX information forum was closed. Same arguments, same complaints, same attitude. I'm pretty sure the board is doing better now the way it was then it was when the WRX stuff was all in its own forum.

Hell, there wasn't even a separate forum for FFI vs. NA, just a single engine tech forum, and it still worked fine.

You STi boys will be just fine posting in the technical forums like everyone else.

And if this chases away those of you who don't give a crap about other Subarus, or don't care to read/learn about anything but the STi, well, then good riddance to you I say...
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Old 09-10-2003, 08:11 PM   #42
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Glenn, I hate to be a bitch but an 04 STi is still an 02+ Impreza- there really is no need to create new forums where one already exists to suit the purpose IMHO .


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I'm surprised that this discussion is still going on. So it be written, so it be said.
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Old 09-10-2003, 08:32 PM   #43
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I posted a counter suggestion to the mod forum which is to deploy two new general discussion forums:

MY04+ (RS/WRX/TS/OBS)
MY04+ (STi)

Anything that is obviously fitting into the other technical forums would be moved, but we could have a small number of STi specific threads.

If you guys and gals like this idea, or not, please speak up.

Glenn

PS huh, just noticed the Classic 93-01 and Bugeye 01-02 forums went away. Shows you how much I look around.

PPS I'm not likely to spend the time to cruise around all of the technical forums reading or posting, too much to cover. My current main interest is the STi.
exactly!!

i can care less bout the other cars..

and who owns a WRX and read everyhting about STi, RS, Legacy all day long?

a STi specific forum can concentrate all hte post together and make it easy for user to navigate..

i definitely dont' want to scavenge for STi info around 4 forums, which will make the Server busier and laggier.

we all know how often the Search function cease to work, closing this forum will make it worse.
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Old 09-10-2003, 08:35 PM   #44
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Wow... This is exactly like 2 years ago when the WRX information forum was closed. Same arguments, same complaints, same attitude. I'm pretty sure the board is doing better now the way it was then it was when the WRX stuff was all in its own forum.

Hell, there wasn't even a separate forum for FFI vs. NA, just a single engine tech forum, and it still worked fine.

You STi boys will be just fine posting in the technical forums like everyone else.

And if this chases away those of you who don't give a crap about other Subarus, or don't care to read/learn about anything but the STi, well, then good riddance to you I say...
i don't thikn it's working fine.

i rarely go to the FFI forum cuz i can't find anything useful to the STi ( except for Vishnu, and AZscoobie posts).
how are we suppose to keep up w/ all the FFi new posts?
Search? rarely works for me.. 40 % i ve tried to use it. "its N/A at the moment, due to high traffic" or something
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Old 09-10-2003, 08:39 PM   #45
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Glenn, I hate to be a bitch but an 04 STi is still an 02+ Impreza- there really is no need to create new forums where one already exists to suit the purpose IMHO .


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I'm surprised that this discussion is still going on. So it be written, so it be said.
Fishguy & North Ursalia have a true & valid point.
The STi as much as we love it is in fact just another Impreza trim level.

Oh, and there were over 2 decades of turbo Subies before the WRX. But you have to be older than 25 to have seen them in their hey day.

Let it be written, let it be done...

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Old 09-10-2003, 08:42 PM   #46
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To delete the STi forum defies all logic.
The BMW M3 is 'just' a modified 3 series, BUT you will never find a web forum that rolls all of the M3 topics into a generic 3 series forum. To do so with the STi is also ludicrous.

Whether some of you without STi's like to admit it or not, the STi is a markedly different animal than a stock WRX. Granted, those of you who have spent thousands to modify a WRX so that it is some form of pseudo STi may feel that there isn't much difference between the two cars, however there is no comparison between the average WRX and an STi.

I joined this forum since I found it to be the best web site to learn about and trade info. on the STi; I simply do not have time to scan through all of the other catagories in order to try and find some new pertinent info. on my car. For that reason I shall be forced to probably look elsewhere for STi information, which I think is a tragedy.

Unfortunately there are some of you posting in this thread that act like you couldn't give a damn about either the STi, or the many new members who have joined this forum simply because of it. I ask the owner of the site to please strongly reconsider, and remember that many of us 'noobs' as some of you so patronisingly refer to us, are major supporters of the paid advertisers to the site.
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exactly!!

i can care less bout the other cars..

So we should cater the entire site to you?

Oh, and all the other STi owners too?!

Guess what? That's a very small % of this board still.

Get my drift?

There are 10 times as many WRXs or RSs as there are STis, and neither of those cars has their own specific forum.
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i don't thikn it's working fine.

i rarely go to the FFI forum cuz i can't find anything useful to the STi ( except for Vishnu, and AZscoobie posts).
Ummm... maybe that's because this forum is still here?

I promise you STi posts will show up in FFI without this forum around.

As for "keeping up"... are you really telling me you can't scan through 2 pages of thread topics to find the ones you're interested in?

I wasn't joking in my first post... you guys are try the EXACT same arguments as when the WRX information forum was merged into the rest of the site.

"Whether you like it or not, the STi(WRX) is significantly different than the WRX(2.5RS)..." Hmmm... sounds familiar...

I'd pose the counter-argument: whether you STi guys want to admit it or not, your STi's are still Imprezas, and share a hell of a lot in common with every other Impreza out there.

And yes, maybe a lot of "n00b bashing" goes on in here from older members, but do you know why?

It's because half the "n00b" questions asked in here have been answered a thousand times before in the technical areas of this site. If those of you with STi's who only post in this forum would bother to look there instead of cliquing off in here, you wouldn't even need to ask. Oh, but what could you new STi owners possibly learn from some who only has a WRX, or even worse, the dreaded RS? People with years of technical experience on Subarus can't offer you anything if they don't actually own an STi, right?
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So we should cater the entire site to you?

Oh, and all the other STi owners too?!

Guess what? That's a very small % of this board still.

Get my drift?

There are 10 times as many WRXs or RSs as there are STis, and neither of those cars has their own specific forum.
I have an STi sitting in my drive way right now with my name on the registration, and I 100% agree with you.

Call me a traitor or what have you, but in my eye this item falls under 'Majority Rules'.

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So we should cater the entire site to you?

Oh, and all the other STi owners too?!

Guess what? That's a very small % of this board still.

Get my drift?

There are 10 times as many WRXs or RSs as there are STis, and neither of those cars has their own specific forum.
i never objected in them getting their own forum.

why not?
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