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06-10-2019, 05:06 PM | #1 |
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Composite parts and materials: learning to make carbon fiber parts
Over the last few months i have become increasingly interested in the process of making Carbon Fiber parts and learning about a variety of composite materials and techniques. I am not an expert, but i will share what i am able to learn and the things i am able to create.
The two main materials used are a cloth material like carbon fiber cloth and an Epoxy Resin. There are many types of cloth material, several types of carbon fiber alone. There are different types of resin, but you have to make sure its Epoxy resin. These are the basics. I Started with the easiest technique, the skinning technique. This basically wetting a part with epoxy then draping a cloth like carbon fiber over it. Making sure it lays flat and be careful not to distort the weave or the finished product have wiggly lines instead of straight lines. For this first piece i skinned one of the 'Exterior Lower Moldings' of my 04 wrx. It sits behind the rear door on the bottom of the wheel well. I decided to use a Hybrid fabric made of twill weaved Carbon fiber and Kevlar. The fabric i bought had the Kevlar dyed blue. (note: Kevlar is a name brand by Dupont, kinda like Kleenex is to tissue. The generic name is Aramid.) https://i.imgur.com/Biq4QM6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uRaZYaG.jpg I know the lighting is not great, i will add other pics when it stops raining out. Besides the passenger side lower molding, my next piece will hopefully be a front lip. This will be a more complicated process known as vacuum bagging infusion, where i will need to make a mold, add my fabric, and the use a vacuum to pull the epoxy through the mold to create the part. Comments are welcome. **Also please post and share your own parts if are you have gotten into composite making.**
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06-11-2019, 08:06 AM | #2 |
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Awesome. Keep after it.
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06-12-2019, 11:46 AM | #3 |
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06-19-2019, 01:18 PM | #4 |
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So i made a mistake, when i clear coated it, i accidentally grabbed a different type of clear for the second coat. well, the two types of clear reacted and started almost bubbling. the surface looked i put paint remover on. So now i have to sand it down again and re-clear. A simple mistake can create a big mess and a lot of extra work.
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06-22-2019, 11:18 AM | #5 |
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06-28-2019, 11:32 AM | #6 |
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I have started the work for my front lip. I have been getting it smooth, and ready to make a mold of. The plastic lip came with molding lines and rough edges that had to be smoothed out. after sanding and filling little imperfections, i was time to make flanges for the lip, to make the mold off of. You want a bit of overlap to make it work. It gives some room for the vacuum bagging materials to stick to.
https://i.imgur.com/Zw12rjY.jpg i need to tape the joints with packing tape, then fill in the edges with some sort of filleting wax so there is nowhere for the resin to make a mechanical lock and the mold will pop off of the "plug" (plastic lip). once i have the plug ready, then it will be time for the tooling gel coat to make the first layer of the mold. hopefully i will get more done soon, but im also doing my steering rack swap at the same time. Not enough hours in the day, either that or i need to quit my job, lol. |
06-29-2019, 01:14 PM | #7 |
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looking awesome so far! subscribing because I've been wanting to learn how to make carbon parts for a while now.
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07-02-2019, 10:31 AM | #8 |
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After covering the seams where the flanges meet each other, i went along the edges of the lip to fill all the cracks to make a smooth transition. I would have had to order filleting wax so i started with Plasticine then switched to wax from a wax ring seal for a toilet.
https://i.imgur.com/aJh5gg5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N52xv2n.jpg once that was dont i sprayed a coating of PVA mold release agent on the lip. I did one coat but i really should have did two. One tack coat and then a thicker coat. Some PVA can be brushed on, but i used a LPHV (Low Pressure High Volume) sprayer. Once the PVA was dry (green tinge) i started coating it with Mold Release Wax. i did about 4 coats, i think i might do one more before it start the Tooling Gel Coat layer. Before i brush on the Tooling coat, i will take my fiberglass cloth for building up the mold and cut pieces shaped like the mold. i will do this before to save time. For videos to help learn about this process check out Youtube channels by Easy Composites and Matthieu Libeert. Both very helpful. |
07-08-2019, 03:18 PM | #9 |
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So the Gel Coat laid down fine. And i put the tight knit fiber cloth over it.
https://i.imgur.com/QkMqA0x.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YQjJ0U0.jpg Once that cured i began to lay down the chop strand mat cloth, thats when things got messy. Without the right tools laying down the chop strand mat is finicky and messy as all hell. I dont have picture how it currently sits. I'm contemplating whether i should add more fiber glass layers for strength or try to remove the buck from the mold. Im also debating making the lip from Carbon/Kevlar (with blue Kevlar) or just carbon fiber cloth. I dont know if the carbon/kevlar i have is wide enough. |
07-10-2019, 03:53 PM | #10 |
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After adding some more fiberglass, it was stronger but still looks a mess.
https://i.imgur.com/7JT7i7Y.jpg Oh well, time to remove the plug from the mold. https://i.imgur.com/jqcpTkq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HQ1KFcO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kXHZPGV.jpg It didn't come out as smoothly as i would have liked. I think i should have done more than one coat of Tooling Gel Coat. Because of the tight angles of the lip, some parts were thin and left holes and divots in the mold where the fine fabric lifted some of the gel coat, i guess it wasn't set enough as well. I should be able to fix the imperfections with more gel coat. For a first try it could be worse, but if it is hard to get smooth, i might try to make the mold again. Once the mold is good enough i will have to time the weather to make the carbon fiber lip. The epoxy resin (most, if not all) will have very specific usability windows of temperature and humidity. i think below 60% humidity is a big one. Last edited by fartbox420; 07-11-2019 at 02:29 PM. Reason: Pictures |
07-11-2019, 04:49 PM | #11 |
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updated last post with pictures.
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07-12-2019, 12:50 PM | #12 |
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I have decided that fixing the first mold would take too much time/effort so i am going to start again. I will be changing a few things. First i will do least two coats of gel coat, sanding between coats. Then wait until it is more tacky before the fiberglass cloth.
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07-16-2019, 10:43 AM | #13 |
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Small update, i started to make a new mold. I reduced the number of flanges used, the front is one piece. I did the first coat of PVA mold release. For a fine spray you need a gun that sprays at like 50-90 psi, something i dont have. I used a wagner motocoat HPLV sprayer. The results are al ittle spotty but after another coat is should be good enough. Then comes the mold release wax. After that, i can start Tooling gel coat.
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09-20-2019, 05:34 PM | #14 |
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I know you probably want the entire part to made from carbon fiber, but if you just want the looks have you ever considered carbon skinning? I've done some before and it turns out really nice, in fact you can't tell the difference except for the weight.
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09-20-2019, 06:41 PM | #15 |
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guess you didn't read the first post...
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09-24-2019, 11:12 AM | #16 |
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thanks for the question, i have tried skinning some trim pieces. I thought about just skinning the plastic lip after but i modified it a bit to help the mold making process. I will try to make an update soon as it has been a while.
Unfortunately i have been dealing with other issues both car related and not that have made me put the lip on the back burner. I do have a second mold already made. It came out a lot better but still not perfect. I filled some imperfections and i am sanding it smooth again. I also have an idea for a carbon fiber grill emblem, where the stars are raised off of the surface, 3d i guess it could be called. I already have the mold made, so i should have one made soon. |
10-28-2019, 02:36 PM | #17 |
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While i put my front lip on hold to get my car up and running again (seized TGVs) i wanted to try to make a carbon fiber emblem using a silicone mold i had from messing around with epoxy.
Here is my little setup, i need to replace the connections on the catch pot as i was having trouble with vacuum leaks. I also switched the surface i used from a sheet of UHMW plastic to a piece of glass as the tack tape would stick and seal better. https://i.imgur.com/bAWHD2p.jpg I tried a 4 layers of carbon on the mold, which had a convex surface. This was way too much for the stars to show through. I also figured that because the mold surface was touching what would be the inside of the emblem and the detail on the outside would be not great anyway. So i decided to make another mold with a concave surface. This worked better, but because the stars are so small the carbon weave didnt want to stretch all the way down into them. https://i.imgur.com/y0chWsa.jpg As you can see the big star worked ok but the small ones are not as pronounced. I may try one more with the convex mold using only 1 layer of carbon fiber to see it the image shows through well enough. https://i.imgur.com/bFoCLUe.jpg |
10-28-2019, 10:43 PM | #18 |
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I am interested in doing some home projects. Please keep posting.
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09-09-2021, 09:57 PM | #19 |
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I can not see any of the pictures ?
What epoxy did you use ? I have been trying to figure out which one will handle the sun as my car is not garage kept and the interior gets hot here in Savannah Ga |
07-27-2022, 05:09 PM | #20 |
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Encouraging to see other people dive into composites. So many people get intimidated by specialty tools but you can improvise a lot when mold making. I’ve used everything from clay, plaster, silicone, plexiglass etc.
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