Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Service & Maintenance

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-30-2013, 06:25 PM   #51
zaxman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 228993
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Maryland
Vehicle:
2015 WRX STi
CWP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesubie View Post
It will probably come back as a 20 grade so don't be alarmed. It starts as a thin 30 grade. Bugeye's are typically easier on oil though. Got mods?

-Dennis
Bolt-ons. Stock bottom-end.

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/builds...thread-10.html
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
zaxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 05-30-2013, 06:42 PM   #52
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaxman View Post
This is going to be interesting. No cheating with the uoa (eg topping up with Rotella)!

-Dennis
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2013, 06:46 PM   #53
zaxman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 228993
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Maryland
Vehicle:
2015 WRX STi
CWP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesubie View Post
This is going to be interesting


Well that's quite a blow to my confidence. I'll be changing out the oil this weekend, so I should have the kit in the mail by Monday.
zaxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2013, 09:39 PM   #54
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaxman View Post



Well that's quite a blow to my confidence. I'll be changing out the oil this weekend, so I should have the kit in the mail by Monday.
German Castrol 0W-30 or Belgian Castrol 0W-40 FTW.

-Dennis
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2013, 10:55 PM   #55
zaxman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 228993
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Maryland
Vehicle:
2015 WRX STi
CWP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesubie View Post
German Castrol 0W-30 or Belgian Castrol 0W-40 FTW.

-Dennis
I've not been able to find GC anywhere. I'm assuming the preferred method is to have a case shipped via an online resource?

I've seen very little UOA results on US Castrol Edge Titanium. The fact that you say it should come back closer to a 20w suggests that you have seen UOAs on Castrol Edge. The car has been fed standard Castrol dino (not GC) for the majority of its life, receiving the bump to synthetic Castrol about 30k miles ago (75k miles). This will be my first UOA, though I should have done it much sooner. You clearly have a fantastic amount of knowledge in UOAs and oil constituents, so I ask you: is there a reason you feel that US Castrol Edge Titanium is not making the cut with my current modifications? If so, I'd like to switch NOW even before I receive my UOA results back. I've heard the bold claims regarding film strength and adhesion made by Castrol, but I'm sure (like many things), they are marketing tactics. If the above applies, to which oil SHOULD I make the switch?

Thanks Dennis.


- Zach


EDIT:
AHA! I knew you seemed familiar:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2419385

Last edited by zaxman; 05-30-2013 at 11:02 PM.
zaxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2013, 11:07 PM   #56
zaxman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 228993
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Maryland
Vehicle:
2015 WRX STi
CWP

Default

Actually, is it true that the Castrol Syntec in the black bottle is GC?
zaxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2013, 12:19 PM   #57
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

Sigh. I'm as guilty as others in this thread of going off topic, but let's stop here. This thread is for posting UOAs, not oil selection.

The only GC is Castrol Edge with Syntec 0w30. Castrol has changed the bottles several times in the last couple of years, but GC is the only 0w30 Castrol sells in the US.

You don't really need a UOA to know Edge with Ti will come back as a 20wt. It starts out at 9.8 cSt, and the border between 20wt and 30wt is 9.3 cSt, it simply doesn't have far to go. There are a couple Edge-Ti UOAs over at BITOG though, one recently in an Ecoboost F150 that was pretty darn thin.
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2013, 01:21 PM   #58
zaxman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 228993
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Maryland
Vehicle:
2015 WRX STi
CWP

Default

Yeah, I'm terribly sorry, that's my fault. I like to keep these threads on track as well. Unfortunately for me, Oil is something of which I have very little knowledge. I'm absorbing as much as I can!
zaxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2013, 10:19 AM   #59
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshumway View Post
Sigh. I'm as guilty as others in this thread of going off topic, but let's stop here. This thread is for posting UOAs, not oil selection.

The only GC is Castrol Edge with Syntec 0w30. Castrol has changed the bottles several times in the last couple of years, but GC is the only 0w30 Castrol sells in the US.

You don't really need a UOA to know Edge with Ti will come back as a 20wt. It starts out at 9.8 cSt, and the border between 20wt and 30wt is 9.3 cSt, it simply doesn't have far to go. There are a couple Edge-Ti UOAs over at BITOG though, one recently in an Ecoboost F150 that was pretty darn thin.
Ha. He's going to be posting a uoa on Edge Ti so I thought it was on topic since I was predicting the outcome. Sorry Mr. Thread Police. Maybe I should start a uoa prediction thread: "The low 20 grade viscosity and the 1.5% fuel dilution do not appear to be hurting anything. Try 10,000 miles next time. Great wearing Subaru!"

And now back to our regularly scheduled program.

-Dennis
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 08:59 PM   #60
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

Hey, man, I'm just trying to keep this potentially useful thread un-cluttered. I really am as guilty as the next guy...
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2013, 05:01 PM   #61
lj8915
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 329252
Join Date: Aug 2012
Vehicle:
2012 Subaru WRX

Default

Little history with my car.

I'm at 13.5k miles now. I dumped the factory fill at 1k miles. Did my first UOA of PP (posted on page 1) at 2900 miles. I'm stilll running PP but going to go for around 4k miles this time.
lj8915 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2013, 02:53 AM   #62
summersalad33
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 342463
Join Date: Jan 2013
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Los Angeles
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
JBP

Default

'04 WRX UOA done right after I bought it. ~135600mi

summersalad33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2013, 10:51 AM   #63
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

Do you know what oil that is? Just something the previous owner/dealer put in?

Off the top of my head it looks a lot like Pennzoil conventional or Syn-blend. Possibly Pennzoil High-Mileage, though the Zn and P levels look too low for PHM.

Your engine seems to be healthy. What did you put back in?
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2013, 12:10 PM   #64
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

I agree. Something seems a little off for "Pennzoil synthetic" or even PYB. I don't believe any Pennzoil uses that much Mg. Valvoline maybe?

-Dennis

Last edited by bluesubie; 06-05-2013 at 12:16 PM.
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2013, 02:31 PM   #65
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

Possibly Maxlife blend or Maxlife Nextgen, but none of the other Valvoline formulas have that much Moly. ML Syn is 75-100 PPM IIRC.

Edit: I should say the new SN Maxlife Synthetic is 75-100 PPM Moly, the old SM and SL formulas were ~250 PPM.

Last edited by gpshumway; 06-05-2013 at 02:38 PM.
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2013, 05:36 PM   #66
summersalad33
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 342463
Join Date: Jan 2013
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Los Angeles
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
JBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshumway View Post
Do you know what oil that is? Just something the previous owner/dealer put in?

Off the top of my head it looks a lot like Pennzoil conventional or Syn-blend. Possibly Pennzoil High-Mileage, though the Zn and P levels look too low for PHM.

Your engine seems to be healthy. What did you put back in?
PO said he used synthetic, honestly I have no idea. I replaced it with Motul 8100 X-cess 5W40 and a Subaru filter.
summersalad33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2013, 11:48 PM   #67
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

Without knowing the oil, the UOA is not real useful to anybody else, but thanks for posting it any way. I'd be nice to know, it looks like a decent oil and it stayed in grade.

Post one with the Motul when you change it. Are you going to run it long enough to make doing a TBN worthwhile?

Last edited by gpshumway; 06-06-2013 at 02:41 PM. Reason: ? key broken?
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 11:50 AM   #68
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshumway View Post

Post one with the Motul when you change it. Are you going to run it long enough to make doing a TBN worthwhile.
+1. See the 9,000 mile run on X-cess above. I would probably run to 5 or 6k and take a sample for a uoa and not drain the oil.

-Dennis
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 01:10 PM   #69
1wrxtra
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 316364
Join Date: Apr 2012
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Vehicle:
2012 WRX

Default

This was the first UOA I did, which was on my second oil change. I swapped out the Castrol Edge 5w30 synth for AMSOIL's 5w30 Euro blend:
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...tic-motor-oil/

Here's the first UOA:






When I did my next oil change I grabbed another UOA. However, it completely slipped my mind that I needed to have the little white vial right next to me when I started to drain, so I ended up getting my sample from pouring oil into the vial from my oil collection pan. Ultimately, I believe this affected the results of the sample. I refilled this with another 5L of AMSOIL 5w30 Euro:



I recently did another oil change, but haven't had the chance to send in my sample. I replaced the 5w30 with AMSOIL's 5w40 FULL SAPS Euro, which is currently in my car now: http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...motor-oil-efm/

I should also mention that I use the OEM blue Subaru filters. I change them and the crush washer each oil change.

Last edited by 1wrxtra; 06-06-2013 at 10:25 PM.
1wrxtra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 02:52 PM   #70
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

The Subaru syn seems to have done pretty well. It stayed in grade better than previous UOAs we've seen. Too bad you didn't get the TBN. I'm sure it's fine at 5,200 mi, but TbN has been a bit weak in other Subaru syn UOAs, so more data would be good.

It's hard to know how much taking the sample from the drain pan affected the UOA results, it looks pretty darn good though. 11.44 cSt is nominally only 6% shear from the 12.2 cSt the oil starts at. This stuff is near as makes no difference 40wt. The Iron is a bit high, but without more data it's certainly nothing to worry about in a young engine.

It would be really nice to see a TBN with one of these low-SAPS oils in a gasoline engine, most I've seen are from Diesels. Do you have time to tell Blackstone to run one? I realize it's $10, but do it for the team! :0
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 03:18 PM   #71
1wrxtra
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 316364
Join Date: Apr 2012
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Vehicle:
2012 WRX

Default

I haven't sent my latest sample in yet- I'll call them up and ask if they can run it on the 5w30 Euro I'm going to be sending them. I usually pre-pay online prior to sending in the sample.
1wrxtra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 07:03 PM   #72
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

Nice to see a 2012 owner not afraid to run robust oil. The viscosity on the Amsoil Euro 5W-30 is robust, but of course, the additive pack isn't since it's low SAPS. Or rather, the add pack that shows up on a $30 doesn't look robust. The full SAPS 5W-40 is robust all around!

The zinc in your Subaru uoa is too high though. It exceeds Energy/Resource Conserving specs. Unless you put in a zinc additive, the zinc reading may be incorrect. Might want to ask Blackstone to retest. The first one is Subaru oil, correct? Also, calcium is too low and magnesium is way too high.

-Dennis
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 07:27 PM   #73
gpshumway
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43950
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
07 OBXT
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesubie View Post
The viscosity on the Amsoil Euro 5W-30 is robust, but of course, the additive pack isn't since it's low SAPS. Or rather, the add pack that shows up on a $30 doesn't look robust. The full SAPS 5W-40 is robust all around!

-Dennis
And that is key. Amsoil calls this a VW 504/507 oil, though I'm sure it's not on VW's official approval list.

VW gasoline cars have a factory recommended 10,000 mi OCI on 504/507 oil, including the DI turbo 2.0t, and if you look at the Lubrizol relative performance tool, 504/507 not only blows away GF-5 for wear protection requirements, it even beats ACEA A3/B4-10. These reasons lead me to try very hard to resist judging oils based on additive levels in UOA/VOA, and let the performance specs be my guide. Also, sulfur and phosphorus compounds (Sulfated ash, Moly and ZDDP/ZDP) have been shown to be a substantial contributors to valve/intake deposits so I'm coming around to actually preferring Low-SAPS oils.

If I could get Fuchs Titan GT1 for my Honda at a reasonable price, I'd give it a run in an instant...

I might try Eneos Sustina 0w50 in the WRX just for fun.
gpshumway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:25 PM   #74
1wrxtra
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 316364
Join Date: Apr 2012
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Vehicle:
2012 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesubie View Post
Nice to see a 2012 owner not afraid to run robust oil. The viscosity on the Amsoil Euro 5W-30 is robust, but of course, the additive pack isn't since it's low SAPS. Or rather, the add pack that shows up on a $30 doesn't look robust. The full SAPS 5W-40 is robust all around!

The zinc in your Subaru uoa is too high though. It exceeds Energy/Resource Conserving specs. Unless you put in a zinc additive, the zinc reading may be incorrect. Might want to ask Blackstone to retest. The first one is Subaru oil, correct? Also, calcium is too low and magnesium is way too high.

-Dennis

I have not included any additives in my oil at any time. The first UOA was actually with Castrol Edge. I had the first oil change done at the dealership and just figured it was with Subaru synth. My bad. The UOA should say Castrol though, I'm pretty sure I wrote that down on the slip.
1wrxtra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 11:23 PM   #75
bluesubie
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 767
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: N.J.
Vehicle:
04 FXT
20 OB Onyx XT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1wrxtra View Post

I have not included any additives in my oil at any time. The first UOA was actually with Castrol Edge. I had the first oil change done at the dealership and just figured it was with Subaru synth. My bad. The UOA should say Castrol though, I'm pretty sure I wrote that down on the slip.
Zinc still looks too high. Take a look at this:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013P...roledgesyn.htm

-Dennis
bluesubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.