Help - 1 of them has to go

[Freeskier]

I need help from the community.

We are moving. Going down to a 3 car garage.

Garage spot 1: one of the two Subies.
Garage spot 2: 2021 Nissan GT-R
Garage spot 3: 2023 Ram TRX

Help me decide which Subie to keep and what to price the other one for sale.

2002 Subaru Impreza WRX w/ 181K miles
I’m the 3rd owner. Purchased in March 2019.
It’s in great shape for a 20+ year old car.
No rust. Car has been in Texas, California and Arizona.
95% of the work/mods were done by previous owners.

OR

2021 Subaru WRX STi w/ 20K miles
Purchased new in August of 2021
Mods done at 6K miles in May of 2022


Mod list for each below

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2002 Subaru Impreza WRX

Engine
• Original EJ205 w/ 181K miles (compression test of 150-155 psi and <4% leak down)
• Tuned by Ed at EQtuning.com 300WHP
• Cobb Intake
• Maddad Down-pipe
• Apexi Cat-back Exhaust
• Tomei Equal Length Headers
• Perrin Top Mount Intercooler & piping
• Perrin Turbo Inlet
• IAG Fuel Rails
• Hallman Boost Controller
• STI Pink Injectors flow tested and cleaned
• Walbro 255 fuel Pump
• 2006 STI IHI VF39 Turbo

Drivetrain
• 2007 STi 6 Speed with STi Clutch and Flywheel
• DDCD Pro installed with OEM STI switches
• Agency Power STI Short Throw Shifter
• PERRIN Reverse Lock Out (much better design the factory, and does not rattle like OEM)
• ACPT Carbon-fiber Driveshaft

Suspension
• Quick Ratio Steering Rack from Quickrack.com (Tibor) 11:1
• 2005 STi Control Arms
• ISC N1 street coilovers
• Cobb Front & Rear Sway-bar
• Group N/STi Bushing Kit (every single bushing under the car has been replaced)
• TIC X Brace
• TIC Fender Braces
• TIC Diff Bushings
• Cusco rear H brace

Brakes
• Enkei T6S gold wheels
• Bridgestone RE71R tires (<700 miles)
• DBA Front and Rear Rotors
• MachV SS Brake Lines
• Perrin Master Cylinder Brace

Exterior
• JDM STI Headlights with 4200k -HID system with Toyota HID Ballast
• STI JDM Hood Scoop
• JDM STI V7 grille
• JDM STI V7 WRB Fog Light Covers
• Prodrive front lip
• OEM 2004 STi Rear wing
• 2005 STI Rear Bumper and fender flare pieces
• 2004-2005 Rear Taillights converted to JDM brake light reverse
• WRB Painted Side skirts
• WRB Painted Side Mirrors
• Hella Supertone Horns painted WRB to match body
• 2006 STi Rear Diffuser
• Repainted WRB

Interior
• 2006 STi Front seats, rear seats, door panels
• Triple dash and dual bezel gauge pods
• Defi gauges: Boost, EGT, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, Water Temp
• STI Gauge Cluster with Outside Temp Hooked Up
• STI Steering wheel
• STI Lower center console with DCCD
• Vinyl Wrapped STi Shift Surround Plate
• STI E brake handle
• Red JDM STi Red Hazard button

Audio
• Pioneer headunit
• JL audio XD700 5 channel amp
• JL audio C2 component front speakers
• JL audio C2 coaxial rear speakers
• JL audio 10W3 subwoofer

Spare Parts:
• JDM Multi Color STi Fog Lights
• New Morette headlights


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2021 Subaru WRX STi

• Enkei Raijin 18x8.5 ET50
• Continental Extreme Contact Sport 245/40ZR18
• Cobb Redline Stage 1+ Power Package
• Invidia Catback Titanium tips dual exhaust
• Invidia Catted Downpipe
• Cobb Stage 1 Drivetrain Package (shifter & bushings)
• SuperPro Sway Bar Kit 26mm front/24mm rear w/ endlinks
• IAG Performance V3 Street Series Air/Oil Separator
• GetaDomTune Cylinder 4 Chamber Cooling
• Koyo Aluminum Racing Radiator
• Cobb Radiator Hose Kit
• Cobb Turbo Blanket Black Lava
• GrimmSpeed TMIC Black
• GrimmSpeed TMIC Y-Pipe Kit (red)
• GrimmSpeed TMIC Splitter
• Cobb LF Bypass Valve
• Cobb Boost Control Solenoid
• Cobb 1050x injectors
• Cobb Fuel Pump Kit (AEM 340lph E85 compatible)
• Cobb Fuel Pressure Regulator
• IAG Oil pan, pick up and baffle package
• IBR Flex Fuel Kit
• Snail Performance Flex Tune (E85 @ 346Hp/363Tq) (ACN91 @ 308Hp/310Tq)
• Audio: Sony headunit; AudioControl 5 channel amp; Rockford Fosgate speakers & sub

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[WR Blue]

if it were me id keep the 02. its a timeless piece of art.

[Jack]

Sell em both. Drive the GT-R. Use the garage space to have more room when doing work on cars.

[21ej]

I would keep the 21. Although, your 02 sounds sweet too. Can’t go wrong with either, but owning the final year EJ is something special imo

[Freeskier]

Thanks for the responses. Keep the thoughts coming. And suggestions on sale price for either.

Originally Posted by WR Blue

if it were me id keep the 02. its a timeless piece of art.

Yeah, I'm torn for that exact reason. It's a nostalgic thing. They are getting impossible to find so if I wanted a GD chassis again, it would be hard.

Originally Posted by Jack

Sell em both. Drive the GT-R. Use the garage space to have more room when doing work on cars.

LOL. The GT-R is an absolute blast. I want to keep at least one to still have a stick shift vehicle.

[Freeskier]

Originally Posted by 21ej

I would keep the 21. Although, your 02 sounds sweet too. Can't go wrong with either, but owning the final year EJ is something special imo

Yep, that was the whole point of ordering the 21 because it was the final year and a reliable, clean/fresh blank slate to build upon.

You guys can see my dilemma and hence the "help" post.

[Jack]

Sell the 2 Subarus and the GT-R and wait for the R34 to become legal and import one. Note the manufacture month matters. Don't import one that'll be 25 years come December when it'll get into port in September.

[lidrew]

Ditch the TRX save room and gas money

Seriously though I would probably get rid of the old WRX but since it's not worth that much maybe just keep it and park outside under a cover or something.

I'm in the process of selling my FP greened Flex 2020 STi since getting a new M2 and had already had a 21 Bronco. I kind of love the STi though. Hard to part ways. Thought about dumping the Bronco instead.

[Freeskier]

Originally Posted by lidrew

Ditch the TRX save room and gas money

Seriously though I would probably get rid of the old WRX but since it's not worth that much maybe just keep it and park outside under a cover or something.

I'm in the process of selling my FP greened Flex 2020 STi since getting a new M2 and had already had a 21 Bronco. I kind of love the STi though. Hard to part ways. Thought about dumping the Bronco instead.

Yeah, it's tough. Plenty of arguments both ways.
The TRX is technically the wife's and we need a truck to tow the boat.
What are you selling the 2020 STi for?



Does anyone have thoughts on fair price for either the bugeye or the VA?

[D-Rodman]

That bugeye sounds like a $10,000 car


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[Freeskier]

Thanks.

Any other thoughts on sale price/value?
I'm hearing 10-12K for the bugeye.
Is 42K the right ballpark for the 2021?

[rtv900]

Originally Posted by Freeskier

Thanks.

Any other thoughts on sale price/value?
I'm hearing 10-12K for the bugeye.
Is 42K the right ballpark for the 2021?

ummm no on both.

The 02 is basically worthless as it's been modded to high hell. Nobody is going to pay 10k for a 2 decade + old car with basically nothing left from the factory on it.
The 21 is probably worth maybe 60% of what a non modded to high hell one would be worth, so 25 if you are lucky.

sheesh man, 42k? Really? They cost less than that brand new.
Is your line of thinking that your mods completely eliminated 3 years of depreciation and added value on top of that?

Never got the sport truck thing. Sell that while there's still nuts out there who would pay that much for a truck. SMH, Over a hundred grand for a 600 hp vehicle that weighs almost 7,000 pounds and has a center of gravity about chest high. Boy that thing must handle great.
You could have gotten a barely used manual C7 Z06 and pocketed 30 grand.

[pearljam11]

freeskier is living the dream, that bit is certain

[Freeskier]

Thanks for the feedback and opinions. Keep it coming.

[21ej]

Originally Posted by Freeskier

Thanks.

Any other thoughts on sale price/value?
I'm hearing 10-12K for the bugeye.
Is 42K the right ballpark for the 2021?

Not too sure on the bug, but sounds like with a proper sti drivetrain swap should put it $10-$15k depending on overall condition.

For your VA I’d want at least $42k assuming it’s a base model. Low miles and still under factory warranty are big positives.
If it’s a limited, you can add another $4k or more to the price.

I wouldn’t listen to the people telling you it should be worth less than msrp, that thing is a gem. STI’s of all years have gone up in value and they are continuing to do so. As they should.

[rtv900]

Originally Posted by 21ej

Not too sure on the bug, but sounds like with a proper sti drivetrain swap should put it $10-$15k depending on overall condition.

For your VA I’d want at least $42k assuming it’s a base model. Low miles and still under factory warranty are big positives.
If it’s a limited, you can add another $4k to the price.

I wouldn’t listen to the people telling you it should be worth less than msrp, that thing is a gem. STI’s of all years have gone up in value and they are continuing to do so. As they should.

yeah I'm sure the 47 mods won't affect that warranty.

They've all gone up and your advice is to NOT listen to people saying a car doesn't increase in value from new?
What on earth are you basing that on? Literally every single used one sells for a reduced value just like every car on the planet.

KBB says a 20k mile 2021 STI is worth about $35k, which of course would be an un modified vehicle and this is based on REAL WORLD sale results, not facebook asking prices.
Obviously any rational person knows mods decrease the value, and dozens and dozens of mods is worst case.
If selling the car in a few years was on his radar with that new STI he made a massive mistake modding it out.

[Freeskier]

Again, thank you for the feedback and opinions.

rtv900, Clearly you are against mods and their impact on a car's value and that's totally fine to have that opinion and I appreciate your input. However, there is no need to exaggerate, the 2021 doesn't have 47 mods.

If you are going to attack everyone that chimes in, you're negatively impacting the purpose of this thread which is for me to solicit input.

Your comments about the sport truck segment are not relevant to the topic at hand. It's my wife's truck. She loves it. It's fun to drive.

[21ej]

Originally Posted by rtv900

yeah I'm sure the 47 mods won't affect that warranty.

They've all gone up and your advice is to NOT listen to people saying a car doesn't increase in value from new?
What on earth are you basing that on? Literally every single used one sells for a reduced value just like every car on the planet.

KBB says a 20k mile 2021 STI is worth about $35k, which of course would be an un modified vehicle and this is based on REAL WORLD sale results, not facebook asking prices.
Obviously any rational person knows mods decrease the value, and dozens and dozens of mods is worst case.
If selling the car in a few years was on his radar with that new STI he made a massive mistake modding it out.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to trigger you. I’m not here to argue, just giving my opinion.

Modifications don’t always negatively impact the cars value. To some people, it actually increases value. Really depends on the person and their preferences.
Modifications also don’t automatically void a warranty.

Also, KBB price is just a suggestion that’s often times way off of real world prices. I would not rely on a KBB value, especially for a discontinued iconic sports car.

[MmmTabasco]

Freeskier, you may want to check out bringatrailer.com and collectingcars.com, if you haven’t already.

It may give you a decent idea of what WRXs and STIs in good condition are going for, regardless of KBB value.

Some of the cars on those sites are modified as well.

As to which one you should get rid of…

If I were you, I’d probably hold onto the Bugeye simply because it’s a classic and I like cars without a lot of bells and whistles. That’s just my personal preference though.

[Freeskier]

Thank you MmmTabasco.

I didnt know about collectingcars. I had checked bringattailer a while back. I'll keep an eye on them.

[rtv900]

Originally Posted by Freeskier

rtv900, Clearly you are against mods and their impact on a car's value and that's totally fine to have that opinion and I appreciate your input. However, there is no need to exaggerate, the 2021 doesn't have 47 mods.

If you are going to attack everyone that chimes in, you're negatively impacting the purpose of this thread which is for me to solicit input.

Your comments about the sport truck segment are not relevant to the topic at hand. It's my wife's truck. She loves it. It's fun to drive.

sorry, 24 mods, doesn't really make a difference from 47. If that is your definition of attack what can anyone say. If your intent was to solicit input but you don't want to hear anything you don't like you should have said, "please only tell me my cars are worth much more than they will ever sell for."
In that case I'd have said that your 2021 will be worth more than new even with 24 mods.

Same with the truck. Clearly you didn't want to hear anything, yet you started a thread saying here's what I have, and one needs to go, tell me what your opinion is. Why did you list out a nissan and a sport truck if you didn't want to hear about them? You simply had to say "I have these two subarus, which one should I sell?"
(obviously you wanted to humble brag, that's why)
so I agree with the other person who said sell that truck. Not sure what his reasons were, but mine are the fact that it's a 100k "performance" vehicle that happens to weigh just shy of 7000 pounds and has a center of gravity 45 inches above the ground. Must be super fun to have a 600hp vehicle that will pull a solid 0.42 G's before literally rolling over.
IMO that's the absolute worst way to blow 100 grand, worst. That's my personal opinion on the car you specifically stated on a forum that you have in a thread about needing to sell one.
But now we know your wife loves it so case closed.

we'll wait for an update on what you sold one of those for.

Originally Posted by 21ej

1) Sorry, I didn't mean to trigger you. I'm not here to argue, just giving my opinion.

2) Modifications don't always negatively impact the cars value. To some people, it actually increases value. Really depends on the person and their preferences.
3) Modifications also don't automatically void a warranty.

4) Also, KBB price is just a suggestion that's often times way off of real world prices. I would not rely on a KBB value, especially for a discontinued iconic sports car.

1) right, I just gave my opinion too. He didn't like it and he should have said he's only looking to hear what he wants to hear.
2) Well it's pretty well established that they objectively DO negatively impact a cars value. That's why I asked you before what you are basing the value increase on and you didn't respond to that, you just re-iterated the same sentiment.
It does however depend on the person, and they're preference, which 99% of the time means the "person" won't pay as much for a modded car.
3) Correct. However this one has:
A tune, downpipe, AOS, cyl cooling mod, turbo blanket, TMIC, Y pipe, Splitter, LF bypass valve, boost controller, injectors, fuel pump, regulator too, and an oil pickup and new pan.

Jesus man, if there's a job at a dealer where a guy tries to look for ways to deny a warranty (which there is btw) he would literally laugh when he sees this list of mods along with the expectation that subaru is going to pony the dough for any engine or driveline repair. So yeah, like I said the warranty thing is a non starter.

4) KBB is super accurate and absolutely factors in consumer demand for vehicles out of production.
Type in a 89 testarossa and it sure as hell isn't going to tell you that it has depreciated down to $9,000 over the last 35 years. It's going to tell you that it's worth $190,000

If they are often "way off in terms of real world prices" (which is actually all they use) then what are you basing that on?

[lidrew]

Originally Posted by rtv900

yeah I'm sure the 47 mods won't affect that warranty.

They've all gone up and your advice is to NOT listen to people saying a car doesn't increase in value from new?
What on earth are you basing that on? Literally every single used one sells for a reduced value just like every car on the planet.

KBB says a 20k mile 2021 STI is worth about $35k, which of course would be an un modified vehicle and this is based on REAL WORLD sale results, not facebook asking prices.
Obviously any rational person knows mods decrease the value, and dozens and dozens of mods is worst case.
If selling the car in a few years was on his radar with that new STI he made a massive mistake modding it out.

Mods don’t decrease the value if someone is looking to do the same mods and it’s a tasteful, documented build by a reputable shop. It’s just a really specific educated buyer who can save a bunch of $$. I would expect to get 20-30% of what my hard parts cost new and probably the same as if I parted out and sold it. You will definitely lose money but should be able to recoup some.

[lidrew]

Originally Posted by Freeskier

Thanks.

Any other thoughts on sale price/value?
I'm hearing 10-12K for the bugeye.
Is 42K the right ballpark for the 2021?

Use the NADA car value, see what similar cars are listed at online, assume they go for a couple of Gs less than asking and come up with a #. Then either part out and sell your parts . You will probably get 20%-50% depending on what part, or try and find a buyer that will pay a bit extra for an already modded STi.

The car stock is worth $35k average, $37k if a limited.

[rtv900]

Originally Posted by lidrew

Mods don’t decrease the value if someone is looking to do the same mods and it’s a tasteful, documented build by a reputable shop. It’s just a really specific educated buyer who can save a bunch of $$. I would expect to get 20-30% of what my hard parts cost new and probably the same as if I parted out and sold it. You will definitely lose money but should be able to recoup some.

my whole point.
You need to find that one buyer out of a thousand who wants that exact custom combo, which is virtually impossible.
That's the whole reason you either heavily discount it or you simply sit on it for sale for a couple years. No problem for certain custom things, but cars depreciate even if they are in a garage up on blocks so "waiting it out" for that one buyer is basically futile.

Out of his mod list he probably spent 10 grand, so you are saying his "premium" should be 20-30% of that cost on top of the value of the car.

Yeah not happening.
Obviously you believe mods increase value and I don't. I'm sure he'll update this thread with his results.

[D-Rodman]

Some people want a 100% in it’s original glory example and those cars should have more value as time goes on. Some people like a car with mods, and perhaps those cars will have a lower value in the long run. However, the op has a nice bugeye somebody like me can appreciate it and see value. The right mods are ok, they do not completely destroy a car value. The fact that the car is 20+ years, if it presents well it has value.
No idea about the 20 STi worth.


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