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02-27-2024, 02:13 AM | #1 |
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When did high-beam courtesy/discipline leave the building?
I think last night, while driving home from work, finally broke me and my frustrations; when it comes to high beam use....
With my job, I get off bwtn 11pm and midnight, so no matter the time of year, I'm driving home in the dark in my little slice of SW Ohio. I travel State Routes (SR) and major interstates (75 and 70) on the majority of my 29 mile commute. Last night, on one of these SRs (two lane each direction w/grass median, speed limit 60 mph), I pass a vehicle and then can immediately tell that it has its high beams on. But, after I passed the vehicle, the driver never turned off his/her highs and choose to keep them on. After signaling right and moving in front of that vehicle, I turned my lights off for 2-3 seconds as an indication about the lights, but nothing; no action from the driver of the other car. So, I sped up and put distance between us as fast and safe as possible (deer are known to wonder into the roads on that SR) . In addition to the above event, I usually get 1-2 cars coming at me with their high beams on and they never dim them either. It's bad enough new headlights are causing horrendous glare (looking at you Honda and GM), but to have people using their highs with on coming traffic is getting ridiculous. The other drivers probably think that since the road(s) are separated by a median, that it is okay. It isn't okay. It still creates a lot of unwanted glare. I even get people on the major Interstates that use their high beams with traffic around, in front and oncoming (to include me). So, when did people stop giving other drivers high beam courtesy? Are we now that jaded as a population that thinks "I'll do what I want and no one will do anything to me..."? Or, maybe it's just my section of Ohio and the cluelessness that runs rampant in the area.
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02-27-2024, 04:26 AM | #2 |
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Man you're lucky they have any lights on at all.
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02-27-2024, 01:34 PM | #3 |
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The times I most appreciated my window tint was at night. People use their high beams when driving through a residential zone with street lights here.
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02-27-2024, 03:54 PM | #4 |
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American values and courtesy are eroding to the point where I don't have many expectations regardless of what is being discussed. The common theme is becoming...my individual reality/life experience should be prioritized over everyone else's...even though we all live in the same reality.
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02-27-2024, 04:11 PM | #5 |
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You can't fix stupid or a-holes. Well, you can but not necessarily legally.
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02-29-2024, 11:21 AM | #6 |
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Happens around here a lot. I'd say 75%, though, are really crappy cars that have a headlight out and they use the high beams to compensate. Don't go get a bulb and fix your light. Nah. That's too hard. I can just turn the high beams on.
And the new lights like you say? Geez. IIHS requires these to get the top rating; but, wonder if they have taken into consideration how these new lights are blinding others. I'd think that was more a safety hazard than upgrading lights. I mean, the "old school" way was fine for many decades. Don't get me wrong, I love how they illuminate; but, dang. |
02-29-2024, 07:28 PM | #7 | ||
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True statement. Some of the high beam offenders are the "1 low beam out" crowd. High beams are an instant fix for seeing better with one low beam out and I'll just leave them on 'cause then it looks like I have two front functional lights. However, still not an excuse.
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I guess it is good that a recent poll of 15-17 yo showed only 25% want their driver's license compared to 40%+ from the 1990s. Young(er) people don't want to be bothered with driving...which might also explain the lack of courtesies I see on my day-to-day commute. |
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03-02-2024, 06:55 PM | #8 |
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They're too busy looking at their phones to worry about high beams.
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03-07-2024, 02:39 AM | #9 |
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not so much a phone thing as it is bulb out, or cloudy lights on their 2005 Grand Am (or any car with fogged headlights), or they just can't plain see like the Lincoln in the left lane of a major interstate with highs on and doing 65 (5 under the posted limit) because the yellow line helped them see the lane better than the dashed white lines marking the middle lane or the solid white line marking the right shoulder. That car had highs on the whole time regardless of who passed him/her like me going 70. Again, it's midnight time frame.
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03-07-2024, 01:00 PM | #10 |
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maybe they haven't had their student loans forgiven yet and they're lashing out at the world
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03-07-2024, 06:58 PM | #11 |
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Most likely they are using the auto-dim feature later model cars have. I see it all the time - it does not trigger until your headlights shine directly at the car. A real PIA when you drive on curvy mountain roads...
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03-11-2024, 02:29 AM | #12 | |
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The Lincoln was a few years ago, a white MK Z, but that doesn't really matter. Most cars I encounter with highs on, in my slice of SW OH, are not newer models. I truly hate with a passion the Honda/Acura jewel beam lights and now the dual LED low/high beam lights because the glare given off by the lows appears to be that of highs; but it's the lows. Very blinding. If I want to file a complaint with the NHSTA, I have to write a physical letter and mail it to them. No online form because that would make it too easy. |
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03-22-2024, 05:38 PM | #13 |
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HID or LED in place of incandescent bulb that creates a lot of glare.
Headlamps are hazed due to the vehicle being outside in the sun (UV) so high beams are used. Don't realized that the high beams are on, whether daytime or night time. One headlamp bulb is out so turn on the high beams to compensate. LED bulbs in place of the high beams, but the DRL's are still active. Not head lamps: Red forward facing turn signals / DRL's / accent lamps. White rearward facing turn signals. Off-road light-bars and other such auxiliary lamps in use, whether daytime or nighttime. |
03-22-2024, 09:52 PM | #14 |
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One time, I drove my Datsun home from my aunts house at night. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why it was so flippin' dark out. I finally turned my brights on just to see mostly normally. It's a 620, so it has four front lights, which I converted them all to LED (in the Hella housings so they still look proper).
Got home and realized my sunglasses were on. Turns out I was just an idiot. |
03-29-2024, 03:49 AM | #15 | |
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Sunglasses or not, if someone blipped you to say 'hey, turn off your brights'; would you go "my bad", and dim them until that car passed and then turn them on again? I get using high beams on the state routes. Very few lights over the road and lots of dark places for animals to jump out. But just because the road has a grassy median doesn't mean that you highs aren't causing me vision problems. The biggest gripe though has to be ppl on the major interstates that use their highs. Sure, there is a 5' tall concrete barrier that mostly blocks light from the other side, but here's the thing...IF you can see the other car's lights, chances are high they can see your lights too. The highway is constantly undulating, so there are a lot of places where approaching cars are visible above the middle wall. Plus, there are lots of overhead lights and the lanes are marked w/reflectors. So, why the need for highs, especially if you have a newer care with LED headlights? I don't know...I'll probably never know. My next rant will be construction trucks hauling dirt causing a sand-blasting situation for cars behind it (like today) ...yet another pet peeve in my slice of SW OH... |
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03-29-2024, 01:53 PM | #16 | |
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03-29-2024, 02:17 PM | #17 | |
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I usually make myself known well before passing people as not to startle them...in this case there was no room to pass so I slowed down. I said, "Excuse me." loudly, well before coming to them. No one moved. As I slowed down more and got closer I said it again, this time they moved. As I passed by a woman yelled, "You need to share the trail!" I almost ignored her but decided not to...I slowed down and stopped. I said, "If you're blocking the trail you're obviously not sharing it." probably more sternly than intended. There was no response but I think she didn't expect me to respond at all. This is how people think these days. |
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03-29-2024, 04:09 PM | #18 |
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This was normal where I learned to drive in SW Missouri in the mid 80's. Hardly anyone bothered turning off their high beams. I always thought it was strange, but just one of those things a driver had to deal with like a vehicle in the passing lane pacing a big rig next to them (also happened constantly in MO).
Then I moved back home to California in 1988. I quickly learned that one does not use high beams *at all* in the bay area. Probably flicked them on less than 20 times in the last 35 years...There's other (probably worse) driving stuff to worry about here, but not high beams! |
04-04-2024, 02:45 AM | #19 |
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could be that the drivers dont even know they have poorly aimed headlights, like with retrofitted ones. i retrofitted some headlights into my other car and got a couple flashes when driving at night so lowered them the next day and haven't gotten any since.
might be worth flashing your beams at them so they know somethings up |
04-08-2024, 10:36 PM | #20 |
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04-18-2024, 05:14 PM | #21 |
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OP I feel your pain all to well. I'm a CDL driver to support my money pit of a car. When I first started driving truck it was doin night runs through montana mountain passes in the dead of winter. No one ever turns of high seems for truckers. I assume they think we have ours on since it would seem like it with our trucks sitting much higher. But it would get old fast. Especially hauling triples that were not loaded correctly by the dock personnel. There's only so much you can do to stop that set from "cracking the whip". But people would flash their high beams as they were passing you mainly to let you know they are next to you. I dont expect them to understand the way it works but blinding a big rig driver even for a split second is not a good idea.
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05-20-2024, 02:48 AM | #22 |
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hate cars use high beams
I really hate cars that use high beams anytime and anywhere. It can easily cause traffic accidents.
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07-14-2024, 10:46 PM | #23 |
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LED lights kill me. I get completely blinded for a few moments after the car passes. Not looking at them directly.
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07-16-2024, 02:21 PM | #24 |
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It's always the minivans too!
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07-16-2024, 05:55 PM | #25 |
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People have always done this. I can remember when I had a pickup with a ton of aux lights, I could run low beam, high beam and high beam with low beam and all aux lights.
So I'm coming up on a high beam bandit. I flash the high beams. No change. I flash highs for like 4 times fast. No change. I light up the eastern seaboard. They tend to go to low beams then. Of course with that much light, I can see their bones, how much blood is flowing and their thoughts through their eyes. |
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