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Old 06-16-2005, 11:36 PM   #1
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Old 06-16-2005, 11:47 PM   #2
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I can't help you. My undergrad school gaurantees me entrance to med school with a certain GPA. I decided against it, though, since I'd be like 38 by the time I finished my residency.
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I received my MCAT scores today. Not great but not bad (30-O) but I think I can do better. Right now, I feel it's enough for a mid tier school. My GPA (3.95 in sciences, 3.88 overall) is higher than the average for most top tier schools and I feel that my massive amounts of research and volunteering will go a long way so I keep thinking I have a chance for one of the top schools.

Is taking the MCAT again worth it to try for a top school or is this just a pipe dream and just accept my 30 and live with whatever school I go to?

Thanks, hoping-to-be-Dr.-Berg
How would you rate the school youre in? The source of the 3.88/3.95 can be a big factor.

How did your nationwide other hopefuls/competition score this year? Its not an entire picture of your competition but its helpful.

Are you published? Anywhere on anything reputable?

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Old 06-16-2005, 11:52 PM   #4
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I am at WVU so that won't help me any but still, my GPA is decent. My work won't be published until later this year I think. The lab I am in now has a great reputation and what I'm doing is actually significant to the whole project.

30 is the 80% I think. I still feel I could do better. I dunno. I should just be happy with what I have.
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Old 06-16-2005, 11:53 PM   #5
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oddly enough i was just discussing this with my dad tonight. my friend just got his scores back he got a 37 witha 3.82 overall GPA at the U of MN and has a lot of extra curricular activities to his credit. one person's theory was that most places like ivy league people, but my dad said that is BS, if you do well and have a good balance of EC's and grades you should be accepted most places.

note, that he only has reference from his experience which was back in the 80's and apparently the mcat's were out of 50 something.

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Old 06-17-2005, 12:04 AM   #6
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Well, no matter where I go, in the end I will have "MD" behind my name.

Another question is how much does a top ranked school help in getting matched with better residency programs?
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Old 06-17-2005, 12:11 AM   #7
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Well, no matter where I go, in the end I will have "MD" behind my name.

Another question is how much does a top ranked school help in getting matched with better residency programs?
Some, but look at the history of how many people that school has matched with programs you are interested in. Even if they are a great school, if that hospital has never taken residents from that school before, you'll have an uphill battle against slightly lower ranked schools that have produced quality residents to that program in the past.
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Old 06-17-2005, 12:16 AM   #8
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Keep in mind that medical schools average multiple attempts together, not take the highest score like undergraduate admissions. So if you get a 36 on your second attempt, you have a 33.

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Well, no matter where I go, in the end I will have "MD" behind my name.

Another question is how much does a top ranked school help in getting matched with better residency programs?
Your MCATs carry a ton of weight just like SATs did in high school. Grades and ECs are fall back boosts at normal schools or deciding factors among uberkind at uberschools.

re: residency - there will always be backscratch slots filled from high prestige schools but you will drive your path through med school performance. Every med school of some merit pulls enough weight to get their good students well-placed.

My advice is to go to a good public and less expensive med school and let your performance while there do the talking. Unless youre rich and like spending large money on tuition.

Look at it like walking into a pool hall and beating the kid with the custom Meucci with a warped hall cue.

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Old 06-17-2005, 12:25 AM   #10
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All are very good points.

The more I think about it, the less likely it seems that I will take it again. I will just apply to a variety of schools and see what happens. I'm sure it will be fine in the long road. Though, the prices of med schools scare me. haha
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Keep in mind that a big time school like John Hopkins or Harvard is getting 20k+ AMCAS's. They are going to see your GPA and MCAT score only. Your research/volunteering/publishing/job shadowing is just a kicker you have against someone else at an interview.

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Old 06-17-2005, 12:33 AM   #12
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All are very good points.

The more I think about it, the less likely it seems that I will take it again. I will just apply to a variety of schools and see what happens. I'm sure it will be fine in the long road. Though, the prices of med schools scare me. haha
If there was a way I could do it, I'd give you a slot at Emory, class of 1994.

Good luck.

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All are very good points.

The more I think about it, the less likely it seems that I will take it again. I will just apply to a variety of schools and see what happens. I'm sure it will be fine in the long road. Though, the prices of med schools scare me. haha
30 with a 3.95 science GPA is good enough for University of Florida .

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Old 06-17-2005, 12:43 AM   #14
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Actually, I have UF as one of my schools on my AMCAS. Maybe I'll see you there Full_Clip. haha
But I guess I do have 12 schools listed so far.
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Old 06-17-2005, 12:52 AM   #15
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Oh yeah, Full_Clip, did you know UF out of state tuition is $45000 a year?! That doesn't include living or anything. Though most schools I'm looking at are between $30K and $40K a year. It makes WVU's $14K tuition look quite handsome.
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That's normal. Univ. of Cincinnati is $23.5k for instate, $41k for non-residents.
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Old 06-17-2005, 01:02 AM   #17
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That's normal. Univ. of Cincinnati is $23.5k for instate, $41k for non-residents.
I was just looking at Cincinnati. I may have to add it to my growing list of schools.
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Old 06-17-2005, 01:06 AM   #18
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It's pretty good. Lots of research going on at the school. If I graduate with a 3.5GPA, I'm gauranteed a spot there. It's not too hard to get into, but the University Hospital(which is now technically separate from the school) is very difficult to get residency placements at. There are so many cool things going on at that hospital. The best part is, even though the city's not that great, it won't matter, cause you won't have much time during med school anyways.
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Alright, listen up.

Different state schools have different levels of competetiveness for in-state resdents. An Oklahoma resident will probably have a good shot at the U of OK with MCATS in the high 20s. Good luck to any CA resident delusional enough to apply to any UC with scores that low.

That having been said, go where you get in. The medical school you graduate from essentially means nothing. Your residency will be much more important in terms of higher $$$ jobs, fellowships, etc.

There may be a bit of a bias from "elite" residencies towards graduates of certain schools, but if you do well on your boards and are a top-notch student, you WILL get a good spot. Trust me, there are plenty of graduates from "top" schools who I wouldn't trust with wiping my a$$; you run the entire gamut of individuals at any school.

I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT waste my time/chances holding off and reapplying next year. Give it a go; it's SUCH a crapshoot anyway. Who knows what kind of applicants may be applying next year?
Good luck. PM me if you need more advice.
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I'm definitely applying just this year. I was mere thinking about retaking the MCAT which I can still do and still apply. I don't think I will though. As of now, I think I have a good shot for many school. I always have WVU Med school if I don't get into my top choices because I pretty much have a spot with my scores and the fact that I work with a biochem professor and our med school. haha. But thanks
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Old 06-17-2005, 07:23 AM   #22
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Is roffle looking to go into medicine?
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I probably wouldn't take the MCAT again.

A 30 is fairly solid. Combine with your average, and you have a nice number package that should get you to the second round at most schools admissions processes

You need to understand something, if your plan is to be a big time academic physician at a top medical school somewhere, than highest tier programs (and the personal relationships of the doctors in them) will be important in propelling you in that direction. If you want to be a doctor in the community treating patients, than you'll be well trained through most American medical school/residency/fellowhip programs to accomplish that.

If you want to be competitive in the residency hunt, then take USMLE 1 and 2 very seriously and score as high as you can there. Great scores, great letters from professors and good grades can do wonders.
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Thanks Dr. Neek. Advice well taken.

I'm feeling better about my score now and I have a much better idea what I'll be doing in the future.
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Oh yeah, Full_Clip, did you know UF out of state tuition is $45000 a year?! That doesn't include living or anything. Though most schools I'm looking at are between $30K and $40K a year. It makes WVU's $14K tuition look quite handsome.
Wow, UF is a rip off. Students don't even get to go to the football games for free

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