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Old 03-25-2021, 12:43 PM   #26
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Maybe I'm a skeptic.. but if you compare the pixel count/ratio between the Subaru in the new teaser image and that of the 2022 BRZ, they are very similar (badge-to-hood & badge-to-front tip of bumper).



But the badge on the new BRZ is less oval shaped and is more rounded. Also the silver bezel around the badge looks thicker on the new BRZ badge.
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Old 03-25-2021, 12:54 PM   #27
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I say its about a 60% chance of being the 86 announcement, 20% chance of being some sort of WRC hatch/thing, and 20% of being something we have no idea about...
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:00 PM   #28
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The only Subaru with a badge on front bodywork like that is the BRZ
The only Toyotas with a badge on front bodywork like that is the 86
Toyotas with a front badge on bodywork that don't look similar are the Supra & Mirai, the Supra is a BMW and the Mirai won't be associated with GR, and looks completely different.

I feel like if they were teasing a completely new vehicle collaboration, they would use images from that vehicle collaboration.

"GR"/"STi" version of the 86/BRZ which amounts to appearance/suspension tuning and no increase in power output is my guess.
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:02 PM   #29
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But the badge on the new BRZ is less oval shaped and is more rounded. Also the silver bezel around the badge looks thicker on the new BRZ badge.
I think it's the slanted downward angle of the photo that's skewing the perception of the bezel thickness.

But I hope that I'm wrong. I would love to see an STI/GR WRC-inspired hot hatch that comes to the US. I'd give them my money even if it sits below the STI in terms of performance.

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The only Subaru with a badge on front bodywork like that is the BRZ
The only Toyotas with a badge on front bodywork like that is the 86
Toyotas with a front badge on bodywork that don't look similar are the Supra & Mirai, the Supra is a BMW and the Mirai won't be associated with GR, and looks completely different.

I feel like if they were teasing a completely new vehicle collaboration, they would use images from that vehicle collaboration.

"GR"/"STi" version of the 86/BRZ which amounts to appearance/suspension tuning and no increase in power output is my guess.
Agreed.
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:03 PM   #30
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Also from the other Hot Hatch WRC thread here in N&R

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Subaru and Toyota Are Reportedly Developing an AWD Hot Hatch Together

The car could be Subaru's window to return to the World Rally Championship.

BY*BRIAN SILVESTRO

*FEB 9, 2021

It's been nearly a decade since Toyota and Subaru teamed up to develop*the BRZ and 86 sports cars. If this newest report out of Japan is to be believed, the Toyobaru twins might be getting a sibling soon in the form of an all-wheel-drive hot hatch.

According to Japanese language car news site*Best Car Web, Subaru and Toyota are jointly developing a new Impreza-sized hot hatch with a horizontally opposed engine and symmetrical all-wheel drive. The report says the car is expected to debut in November 2022.

Australian site*CarsGuide*expects the car to receive a version of Subaru's 2.4-liter boxer-four. Previous reports suggested the car might receive a version of the GR Yaris's trick AWD system, though that's seemingly no longer the case, per*Motor Authority. That publication suspects this new Subaru could share its underpinnings with the yet-to-be-named GR-badged hot hatch Toyota*reportedly has planned for U.S. showrooms. It's also possible this hatch could be badged as the new WRX or WRX STI.

It's possible Subaru will be using this new hatch as a reason to return to the World Rally Championship. Seeing as details on the project are so scarce at this time, it's hard to say for sure. But rumors of new performance cars always get us excited. We can't wait to hear more.
Here's some more of my own personal speculation.

Toyota Gazoo WRT has yet to test next years' WRC chassis. https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/n...ummer/5581017/

Last year, they stated that the development of the WRC car based off the Yaris GR was going to be called off. The 2022 regs allow for tube chassis, sillhoutte style cars. The body can be scaled to fit the wheelbase. Maybe they're going to use something else. Maybe even their version of the twin? But there are the rumors of a codeveloped hatch as well...

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/245781
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:12 PM   #31
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Looks like a Celica type sibling thingy. There's no grill for teh coolings of turbos.
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:22 PM   #32
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Bestcar Japan is saying it is the 86. But they aren't 100% sure either lol. https://bestcarweb.jp/news/264327
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:45 PM   #33
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Maybe I'm a skeptic.. but if you compare the pixel count/ratio between the Subaru in the new teaser image and that of the 2022 BRZ, they are very similar (badge-to-hood & badge-to-front tip of bumper).



Seeing this picture I'm back to thinking it's just the 86 reveal. What looked like a panel gap or bit of grill or something at the bottom of the Subaru side of the picture does indeed just look like reflection.

Remember, GR86 hasn't been revealed yet, or even officially announced by Toyota as GR86 at this point. So while a little wonky, definitely most likely.
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:54 PM   #34
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:58 PM   #35
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The only Subaru with a badge on front bodywork like that is the BRZ
The only Toyotas with a badge on front bodywork like that is the 86
Toyotas with a front badge on bodywork that don't look similar are the Supra & Mirai, the Supra is a BMW and the Mirai won't be associated with GR, and looks completely different.

I feel like if they were teasing a completely new vehicle collaboration, they would use images from that vehicle collaboration.

"GR"/"STi" version of the 86/BRZ which amounts to appearance/suspension tuning and no increase in power output is my guess.
We know what the BRZ looks like. We don't know what the 86 will look like and reports of Akio Toyoda delaying the 86 debut to make it more distinct from the BRZ all seems counter intuitive. If Toyota were to show a production 86, why include Subaru in its PR now? Subaru already debuted the BRZ and Subaru didn't actively promote with Toyota. Toyota didn't promote the Supra with BMW. Sure it's no secret they all work together but this is just different. I could understand a tweet like this if the new BRZ and 86 were to debut together. To debut the 86 like this is kinda putting Subaru in the spotlight a 2nd time on Toyota's debut. Also, Gazoo Racing is mentioned but not STI.
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:59 PM   #36
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This has to be the Hatch that has been rumored. About damn time Toyota. They have been dragging our faces through the mud for the past year teasing us about the GR Yaris and then saying sorry no special hatch for you. But we have a hatch in store for you coming...

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Doing this

Not getting hyped up at all because this could just be the 86 reveal. Japanese mfr's (bikes more than cars) are water tight like a frog's ass so the recent 86 leaks about infighting, this could just be stomping that out for PR reasons. If it's my hatch I'll be pleasantly surprised but given Toyo's teasing of bringing the GR4 here, and Subaru's 5 door f up since the VA, well no reason to get amped up about anything until it's 100% real in the face. Until then, f it. Show me something or ST F U.

All I can do is cross my fingers and hope it's the return to WRC, for Subaru to quit showing clips of yesteryear, and bring an actual hatch back to the US with a turbo and diffs. I'm more excited about GP starting up tomorrow at Qatar than this. WE can circle jerk on 4/5 if it's the droid many of us have been looking for. I'm not a betting guy, detest gambling, but if I were to bet, like the others above, just the 86 reveal. Both companies are too much of pu$$ies to bring an AWD Turbo diff equipped hatch stomping everyone's a$$. They're too conservative, at least for the USDM. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's just the 86 or some bs CUV turbo bs.
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Let's be glad the press conference is on April 5th and not April 1st
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Hope is the Toyota GR is the hatchback for North America that Toyota USA mentioned on their website
https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/

It would be nice for Subaru to get the hatchback version too.

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Hope is the Toyota GR is the hatchback for North America that Toyota USA mentioned on their website
https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/

It would be nice for Subaru to get the hatchback version too.
"While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing. Are you with us?"
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https://www.carthrottle.com/post/6-t...yota-gr-yaris/

This GR-4 JDM Haldex sounds great...

The clutch unit is supplied by Toyota Group's own company JTEKT and is described as being "lighter and smaller" than a Haldex-style clutch.

Speaking of, a Haldex clutch-type all-wheel drive system will run as front-wheel drive most of the time, sending power rearwards only when necessary. This isn't the case with the GR Yaris' setup, which is not an on-demand system. Further separating it from Haldex, it's capable of a rear-bias with a 30/70 default split given in Sport mode. It's 60/40 in Normal, while in Track, it's 50/50.

The rear differential is geared one per cent faster than the front, allowing for the power transfer from front to rear which occurs via JTEKT's clutch pack slipping. The differentials, meanwhile, are open as standard but swapped for Torsen limited-slip diffs if the Circuit Pack is specced.

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Old 03-25-2021, 02:58 PM   #41
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color me skeptical, but I think this is Toyota announcing that they'll have a GR version of the 86. Considering the lack of STI acknowledgement, I don't expect anything substantial. Don't get your hopes up. The photo could easily be doctored, or taken of a pre-production bumper of the BRZ, considering that the production version has that terrible looking license plate mount.

I don't think Subaru is going to partner with Toyota to bring a WRC car out... they'd want to develop their own. They partner to sell cars to the masses, not to compete against each other.
They compete with each other plenty. Shoot, Toyota, several times since their partnership started, has directly named Subaru in commercials. Subaru took away their Toyota comparisons in dealership for many years before bringing them back. And you statement of they'd want to make their own, I could see as they make their own and throw a Toyota badge on it.
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They compete with each other plenty. Shoot, Toyota, several times since their partnership started, has directly named Subaru in commercials. Subaru took away their Toyota comparisons in dealership for many years before bringing them back. And you statement of they'd want to make their own, I could see as they make their own and throw a Toyota badge on it.
Let me clarify:

They partner to sell cars to the masses, not to compete against each other in motorsports.

manufactures join motorsports to show off their own talent, not to borrow it from others. People on here think that subaru is going to somehow take Toyota's yaris gr, slab a subaru badge on it, and then compete in wrc with it... my point is, that's not going to happen.
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Hope is the Toyota GR is the hatchback for North America that Toyota USA mentioned on their website
https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/

It would be nice for Subaru to get the hatchback version too.

Subaru/GR Impreza STI hatch Tommi Mäkinen edition. Fudge YAH!! Where do I sign up?
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That car has grill. And WRX headlights. Teased image is a BRZ with mess on bumper.
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That car has grill. And WRX headlights. Teased image is a BRZ with mess on bumper.
Why would Subaru advertise a new vehicle unveiling if it's the 86? They probably just used the file images of the 86/BRZ for the website since that's a previous JV.

We already know about the new BRZ, why would Toyota include Subaru in a GR86 unveiling?
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we don't have long to wait, we shall see what they will show us. we still have the wrx and STI reveal to wait for. but hope for a car that represents our rally days again is the hope they show us as the current wrx has grown up
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Let me clarify:

They partner to sell cars to the masses, not to compete against each other in motorsports.

manufactures join motorsports to show off their own talent, not to borrow it from others. People on here think that subaru is going to somehow take Toyota's yaris gr, slab a subaru badge on it, and then compete in wrc with it... my point is, that's not going to happen.
Got it.

Question then.

What about Peugeot and Citroen? Weren't/aren't they sister companies that competed against each other? Would being "sister" companies make that different than "partner" companies?


Cause, yeah, I don't think I ever saw a "race" version of an 86 like they did the BRZ for GT300.
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I just noticed that the badge in the image is filled in and recessed, and the 86 isn't. So that is a new badge and a bumper like the BRZ...

If this is just some weird joint GR86 presser that will be really lame.


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Got it.

Question then.

What about Peugeot and Citroen? Weren't/aren't they sister companies that competed against each other? Would being "sister" companies make that different than "partner" companies?

Cause, yeah, I don't think I ever saw a "race" version of an 86 like they did the BRZ for GT300.
They can compete against each other, but using independent vehicles... Like we don't see Toyota competing with an 86, we won't see subaru competing with a re-branded Toyota GR-4.
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