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Old 04-23-2021, 07:16 PM   #276
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Congrats man, looks great!
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Old 04-23-2021, 07:37 PM   #277
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Congrats man, looks great!
Thanks! Still envious of the TiAl in yours lol
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Old 04-23-2021, 07:53 PM   #278
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Ohhhhhhh OMG... Niiiiice .. what was it stock on??? Ball-Bearing????? comparible After market??? I am envious...but I am ok with mine to.

can't wait to hear what this thing is going to do.. Expectations???? Congrats again

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Old 04-23-2021, 08:34 PM   #279
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Ohhhhhhh OMG... Niiiiice .. what was it stock on??? Ball-Bearing????? comparible After market??? I am envious...but I am ok with mine to.

can't wait to hear what this thing is going to do.. Expectations???? Congrats again

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Just going to steal WRXnick19's post on the VF58. He has complied so much info on this turbo I encourage you to check it out. https://www.iwsti.com/threads/stinic....319524/page-2

VF58 (ST14411ZR010) ~$3,500+
"The ultimate iteration" and rarest IHI Subaru Turbocharger
Used on the S206, S207, S208, Type RA-R
Twin scroll turbine housing
Revised, better performing & more durable ball bearing CHRA (in comparison to VF56)
Compressor housing designed for DBW throttle body
Larger, tapered 54.2mm turbo inlet (like all new gen IHIs)
6+6 blade compressor wheel w/ upgraded straight blade profile (VF56 has curved profile like the other VFs)
9 blade Titanium Aluminide (TiAl) turbine wheel & shaft for improved spool & response (same as VF56)
Upgraded S" marked IWG actuator for holding more boost at lower WG duties.
~350+ whp - Safe to ~1.6 bar (23 psi)

ASEL offers rebuilds and upgrades for these rare VF turbos. I'm in no way affiliated with them, but find their work very impressive. They own the only VF58 ever sold by IHI to the public.

Some of their services:
Ceramic dual ball bearing conversions (instead of normal steel)
6+6 straight blade billet compressor wheel (instead of curved, nickel)
Inconel 713c turbine wheel & shaft (instead of nickel alloy oem on non-TiAl versions)
Upgraded IWG actuator
Reconditioning & balancing of whole CHRA assembly on Schenck machine w/ balancing certificate.

I am certain with all the upgrades ASE does to the VF58 It will make 380 to 400whp on 93 on a Ej257. My current v48 setup made 350/380, I plan to install this and tell JR my tuner to shoot for those same numbers but have the power curve to be as broad as possible. I am still on the stock block and clutch. So for now, I would be happy with those numbers but instant like spool and more top end
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Old 04-23-2021, 08:51 PM   #280
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Impressive... for sure. thanks for the info.. sounds like a HolyGrail turbo.. you have the exhaust housings/uppipe for this??? Very nice Upgrade.. I did see where it was on alot of later model Stuff.. I like that its OEM and IHI... The S209 HKS turbo.. I don't think it is as desirable as this one.. IMO.. Pricey little thing isn't.. the Engraving is a super nice touch .. congrats again..

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Old 04-23-2021, 09:12 PM   #281
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Impressive... for sure. thanks for the info.. sounds like a HolyGrail turbo.. you have the exhaust housings/uppipe for this??? Very nice Upgrade.. I did see where it was on alot of later model Stuff.. I like that its OEM and IHI... The S209 HKS turbo.. I don't think it is as desirable as this one.. IMO.. Pricey little thing isn't.. the Engraving is a super nice touch .. congrats again..

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The S209 turbo is a let down. Single Scroll journal bearing, and lots of lag.

Yea the VF58 is definitely a killer turbo. If it can make 20psi by 3krpm on a 2.0 I cant wait to see what it can do on a Ej25
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Old 04-29-2021, 07:56 AM   #282
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My VF58 upgraded by Advanced Sports Engineering out of Italy is on its way! I can not say enough at the customer support and knowledge ASE gives you. Very rarely anymore do you feel like your money goes further than the product you are buying.

As far as upgraded OEM Turbos go their VF58 is at the top IMO. The attention to detail is amazing.

Overall Specs are:

IHI VF58 Twin Scroll Turbocharger
Ceramic Dual Ball Bearing CHRA
9 Blade Inconel 713c turbine wheel & shaft
Forged Billet Aluminum 6+6 Compressor Wheel w/ Extended Tips
Forge Motorsport Billet Aluminum IWG Actuator

I think it may be wise to have the exhaust housing coated Cerakote at some point for thermal insulation. I plan to run my current setup this year on track, and over the winter install everything. Going to be using the OEM El header setup and up pipe, and probably modifying my Cobb Gesi Downpipe for the twin scroll flange.

My power goals are pretty simple. I am completely happy with how the car drives with 350/380 right now. Its extremely quick for the canyons and track work I like to do. I just want INSTANT spool and a power curve that pulls to redline. That is where the VF58 Twin Scroll shines. On a EJ207 it has a brader power curve than an Ej257 with .5L less displacement. I cant imagine what that kind of power curve on an EJ257 is going to feel like. From the few people who have OEM sized Twin Scroll turbos on an EJ257 they have nothing but amazing things to say.

















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Old 04-29-2021, 04:12 PM   #283
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I would LOVE to have that turbo on the racecar, but no way could I afford it
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Old 04-30-2021, 06:12 AM   #284
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I would LOVE to have that turbo on the racecar, but no way could I afford it
It was alot more affordable than you think, but there is definitely a rarity premium.

ASE can do MANY different OEM turbo configurations. One such combination that almost had be sold was:

P20 Exhaust Housing from a VF22 Turbo
Ball Bearing Center Section
VF48 Compressor Housing
Billet Compressor Wheel
Inconel Exhaust Wheel

Comparable in price to a VF48 Hi-Flow but better performance.
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:08 AM   #285
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Beautimous.. That thing is Sweeet.. look forward to hearing how it performs.. congrats on such a cool find.

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Old 04-30-2021, 11:35 AM   #286
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Beautimous.. That thing is Sweeet.. look forward to hearing how it performs.. congrats on such a cool find.

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Im interested to hear how the car sounds. It has me a bit worried. Some Twin Scroll EL cars sound amazing and some sound like Hondas
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Old 05-12-2021, 01:33 AM   #287
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Saw the post on FB about the Turbo... Thats just the worst thing I've heard this month Sorry man.
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Old 05-12-2021, 02:28 AM   #288
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Damn what happened? I'm not on Bookface.
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Saw the post on FB about the Turbo... Thats just the worst thing I've heard this month Sorry man.
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Old 05-12-2021, 01:06 PM   #289
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Damn what happened? I'm not on Bookface.
I'm curious too, what happened?
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Old 05-12-2021, 03:48 PM   #290
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Saw the post on FB about the Turbo... Thats just the worst thing I've heard this month Sorry man.
Dude I saw that post and felt gutted, its not even my turbo or my car.

I was looking forward to seeing the results to see what that twinscroll does on the 2.5L STI motor vs JDM S207/208.

I hope you get it sorted out Archer.
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:31 PM   #291
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Dude I saw that post and felt gutted, its not even my turbo or my car.

I was looking forward to seeing the results to see what that twinscroll does on the 2.5L STI motor vs JDM S207/208.

I hope you get it sorted out Archer.
Giorgio will take care of him and work it out in the long run. Unfortunately, these older rare parts are difficult to come by since IHI doesn't readily manufacture & sell the parts to the public. Hopefully UPS will own up and take responsibility for their mistake (damage/loss/theft) and it won't require legal intervention for the insurance claim.

I'm very lucky that my VF58 made it from Japan -> Italy -> US safely.

RIP VF58+.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:18 PM   #292
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Thanks for the condolences gentleman lol

First off, I wish the US had more companies run by people like Giorgio at ASE. When I first let him know what happened he was angrier than I was! I have no doubt after working with him for half a year that he will take care of me, and will stop at nothing to get whatever we thing we deserve from UPS.

Also, the Subaru community, regardless of what people say about it, is absolutely freaking awesome. The amount of guys who work for UPS who reached out to me to provide any info they could on how UPS works has been astonishing. People loose car parts all the time. However, rare STi parts seem to still hold a high place in the hearts of many lol

Anyway, there is hope. A few UPS guys who reached out to me told me how UPS deals with missing items and what I need to do to basically bypass UPS customer support. I went to my local UPS distribution center with all the paperwork they told me to take. An older gentlemen who listened to my entire story felt absolutely awful. He told me that he takes pride in his work and personally took offense that I had to deal with all this. He took my pictures, and my contact info, and did more investigation work than what his job requires.

Because of legal stuff and what not all I will say is that he located it. He told me that he will personally make sure it gets back into my hands by then end of this week. Will he come through? God I hope so.

But either way it has to go back to Italy for ASE to inspect it. Shipping it again scares me. I did have the idea that when it is done and ready to be sent to me, I would fly to Milan to pick it up personally and tour ASE and their shop. Hopefully this all makes for a great story one day.
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So your turbo was lost during shipping and now it's found? It's not clear in this thread what happened.
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Old 05-12-2021, 09:43 PM   #294
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So your turbo was lost during shipping and now it's found? It's not clear in this thread what happened.
UPS customer service told me it was stolen. They had no idea what happened. They denied any wrong doing and voided by insurance policy. After doing my own leg work going to the distribution I found out the box was opened sometime before it arrived to NJ. While being unloaded it is assumed the turbo fell out of the box as it was found on the conveyor belt with no box.

The situation isn't over yet, and I still don't have a turbo in my hands. So I wasn't really planning on posting full details about it until I actually had it, and any legal matters regarding UPS not accepting my large insurance policy was finalized

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Old 05-12-2021, 10:52 PM   #295
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Jeez, this is like a nightmare on Turbo Street. That too as the weather is getting warmer in the NE. So what does one do now to ensure another "insurance policy" is not nulled/voided/denied if this happens again with UPS?
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Jeez, this is like a nightmare on Turbo Street. That too as the weather is getting warmer in the NE. So what does one do now to ensure another "insurance policy" is not nulled/voided/denied if this happens again with UPS?
It's a complete BS scam. They said the packaging was not sufficient to hold the turbo which caused the damage. I argued that they didn't even know where the contents of my package was when they denied my claim. How can you say a box isn't designed for its contents when you don't know what the contents look like lol. And if say Customs opened the box and threw it all back in recklessly and through transportation the turbo did somehow roll out then whos fault is that?!

As long as I have the turbo and the compressor housing is intact it can be rebuilt again
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It's a complete BS scam. They said the packaging was not sufficient to hold the turbo which caused the damage. I argued that they didn't even know where the contents of my package was when they denied my claim. How can you say a box isn't designed for its contents when you don't know what the contents look like lol. And if say Customs opened the box and threw it all back in recklessly and through transportation the turbo did somehow roll out then whos fault is that?!

As long as I have the turbo and the compressor housing is intact it can be rebuilt again
So if customs opened the box and didn't package it back up properly and UPS didn't re-secured the content. Who's at fault and who's liable? Also, did the shipper buy insurance for it? If so, did it cover the entire cost of the turbo?
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So if customs opened the box and didn't package it back up properly and UPS didn't re-secured the content. Who's at fault and who's liable? Also, did the shipper buy insurance for it? If so, did it cover the entire cost of the turbo?
It was fully insured.
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Old 05-16-2021, 08:04 AM   #299
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In 2011, STi introduced the S206. All the online car reviews talked about the incredible throttle response down low and top end power on a 2.0L. That the new and exclusive revised twin scroll turbocharger was bespoke to the S206 only. I drooled over this press photo from the day I saw it, and 10 years later I finally have my own.......even though the Subaru Gods fought me the whole damn way!




I am so lucky to have this in my hands after UPS got done with it. I still have yet to get a straight answer as to what the hell happened to this turbo, why I was told it was damaged, lost, then stolen etc etc. There was no shortage of explanations. However, after doing my own investigating work by going to the distribution center and talking to people who actually remember seeing my turbo we were able to find it. It was on a plane to Missouri to the UPS unclaimed and damaged goods center for auction!

Well, yesterday this showed up randomly on my door step.








All of the packing material was gone! Someone attacked this thing with a razor blade and just threw it all back in without anything. Still don't understand how the turbo "fell" out of the box, but whatever.


Anyway the turbo looks to be fine externally. Once I had it in my hands the
disappointment finally subsided. This thing is beautiful. Hats of to ASE and Giorgio. I do want to get the exhaust housing coated before I install it. But hopefully internally it is fine.













I can now get on with finding the rest of the parts for this setup and shoot for a tune this winter.

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Yay, glad it worked out!
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