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03-28-2018, 12:35 PM | #8651 |
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I adore my Hsu Research HB-1 Mk2s bookshelf speakers I use for my mains and surrounds. I'd have no qualms suggesting their in-wall variant.
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03-28-2018, 12:39 PM | #8652 |
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Mmm I dunno if I would say that.. 2ch stereo gives you all the imaging you need. If you go see a band or orchestra, they are usually playing in front of you. Not all around you.
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03-28-2018, 12:41 PM | #8653 |
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03-28-2018, 12:45 PM | #8654 |
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Trying to imagine James Hetfield running around a stadium trying to recreate the feel the black album has on DVD-A |
03-28-2018, 12:49 PM | #8655 | ||
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03-28-2018, 01:05 PM | #8656 | |
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Also turned the Dolby+ in the TCL to "off" and selected "stereo" Works great. Thx all |
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03-28-2018, 01:07 PM | #8657 |
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Not true at all, you are experiencing reflections from the venue, and it is a major part of the percieved sound
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03-28-2018, 01:08 PM | #8658 |
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03-28-2018, 01:12 PM | #8659 | |
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That isn't what SACD or DVDA is about at all and not what they are "recreating". |
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03-28-2018, 01:16 PM | #8660 |
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Well, to be fair, it often is when it is when it's a live album.
The 5.1 mixes I've enjoyed the most so far have been those made to place you "within" the music as opposed to being presented with the music. It's very cool, given the source material, but I'd say "fundamental" is too strong a descriptor. |
03-28-2018, 01:21 PM | #8661 | |
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Otherwise, you could create full 3D "virtual reality audio" with Binaural and headphones. |
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03-28-2018, 01:30 PM | #8662 | |
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From Dr Floyd Toole, literally one of the most respected people in the field.
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03-28-2018, 01:37 PM | #8663 | |
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03-28-2018, 01:44 PM | #8664 |
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03-28-2018, 02:16 PM | #8665 | ||
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So to say that SACD/DVD-A is trying to reproduce the feeling of a concert venue, I have to disagree with that. I've never heard a singers voice come from the right front of me(only), to the right rear(only) to the left rear(only) to the left front of me(only) to the center of the stage. Do I feel enveloped by sound in a stadium? Sure. But not like what this multi-channel music has sounded like. Quote:
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03-28-2018, 02:20 PM | #8666 |
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Also, most critical listeners have acoustically treated rooms to prevent the type of reverberation you experience in a stadium venue. It's not something people desire and again, not what the format was trying to recreate.
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03-28-2018, 02:23 PM | #8667 |
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The problem with multi channel audio is people want blue tooth speakers and convenience lifestyle products. Hell most people don't even set up proper stereos these days, and they compress the crap out of recordings for low fidelity pop. Multichannel done well is a PITA and expensive to implement in the home, and the recording studios don't have any incentive to produce suitable content optimized for said media.
Floyd Toole could certainly be wrong and you could certainly be right, in the same way I could possibly correct hawking on something related to black holes (extra dramatic I know, but not far off) |
03-28-2018, 02:26 PM | #8668 | |
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The goal of eliminating reverb entirely is an Anechoic chamber which is a terrible environment for listening to music |
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03-28-2018, 02:28 PM | #8669 |
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My point was that some multichannel live recordings were, in fact, engineered to replicate the venue experience with the musical stage up front and crowd noise and room ambiance (including reverb) in the surround channels. It's certainly not the intention of all multichannel music to do that, though.
I like the enveloping sound of a well mastered 5.1 audio track. Masses and snobs be damned. |
03-28-2018, 02:31 PM | #8670 |
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150 pound TV wall mounted with 4 lag bolts on 2 studs good? Was going to add a couple of those 50 lb drywall anchors as well. Should be good, right?
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03-28-2018, 02:55 PM | #8671 |
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Where are you getting a 150lb. TV? From a time machine? The last TV I had that weighed even close to that was a circa-2000 rear projector.
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03-28-2018, 03:05 PM | #8672 |
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03-28-2018, 03:11 PM | #8673 | ||
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You know why it's hard to do right? Because it isn't natural to the process. If it were natural to the process of making music, it wouldn't be hard to do. Musicians are artists, the folks in the recording studio also consider themselves "artists". If they thought multi-channel music was the way to go they would be doing it more. It is also genre specific. Most rock bands have bass to the left, guitar to the right, singer in the middle with drums behind them. Not much more needed than 2 channels to recreate it. Now if you have an artist like Wayne Coyne and The Flaming Lips with their acid rock, you have a band and genre suitable for the format. They made a great multi-channel album with Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots. But good luck trying to recreate it in a concert venue. They tried "multi-channel concerts" for their Zaireeka album and it wasn't exactly easy to pull off, nor cheap. Again, because it isn't natural to how most live concerts are performed; band and the wall of sound in front, audience in the back. Quote:
Also, no one said eliminating reverb. No one acoustically treats their room to make it anechoic. They do it to prevent the "stadium effect" which you think multi-channel music try's to reproduce. I think I'll just agree to disagree. |
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03-28-2018, 03:13 PM | #8674 |
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Jesus, dude. That's redonk. I thought my old as dirt 52" was heavy at ~80lbs. The current crop of 75" tv's is 10-15 lbs. lighter than that. +10" = more than double the weight?? Heh.
I'd make sure those lag bolts are good. I remember tossing out and replacing the crappy ones that came with my wall mount when put my TV up. I got nothing beyond that. Make sure you are using a good mount. If it has additional mounting points, maybe consider using 6 bolts? |
03-28-2018, 03:42 PM | #8675 | ||
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so there is a different type of reverb called "stadium effect" these days? nope. Sound is either reflected, absorbed or diffused. The goal of acoustic treatment in conventional 2 channel audio is to achieve a reasonable and compromised balance of these at the boundaries, such that you create a reasonable facsimile of space and venue. Also controlling of room nodes and bass frequencies of course. audiophiles don't have multichannel listening rooms because there isnt much good material as previously discussed. Also audiophiles arnt exactly a good benchmark study group for scientific rigor. You are entitled to your own opinions of course. But its clear they arnt supported by a technical basis. |
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