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Old 10-27-2020, 12:01 PM   #1
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Did anyone else get a second letter in the mail regarding the airbag recall? I've already taken my car in for the initial recall and thought that would be the complete fix. But apparently not.

The letter did not give out that much information on what else needed to fixed. It pretty much just said that more parts have arrived in order to deal with the recall.

Not really psyched about them having to take apart my dashboard again since it already rattles from them taking it apart the first time.
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:01 PM   #2
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what years did it say?
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:13 PM   #3
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I had heard about this from someone else. He received a letter recently as well. Apparently some were replaced with the same airbag as the original because they didn't have enough to replace them all. So they are now taking care of getting the proper airbag into the cars that need them.

Once again, this is what he passed in to me from what the dealer told him after he inquired about the letter.
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:22 PM   #4
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I had my second done this month. Apparently the first fix was just a bandaid, but the second is the actual, permanent fix?
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:57 PM   #5
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what years did it say?
Dont quite remember the details on the notice since I briefly skimmed through it and became angry when I read it hasnt been resolved. lol. I'll check again when I get home.

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I had my second done this month. Apparently the first fix was just a bandaid, but the second is the actual, permanent fix?
How frustrating. Did they mention to you that they replaced the airbag all over again or did some other type of repair?
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Old 10-27-2020, 01:34 PM   #6
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Dont quite remember the details on the notice since I briefly skimmed through it and became angry when I read it hasnt been resolved. lol. I'll check again when I get home.



How frustrating. Did they mention to you that they replaced the airbag all over again or did some other type of repair?
Pretty sure they replaced the airbag inflator; I don't think they can do that without replacing the entire unit. I'd been putting it off since about January, hoping to do it once the pandemic was over (LOL). Heard a story last month about another person dying recently, so opted not to wait any longer.

Ok, now I'm aggravated again. I searched to remind myself what the issue was again and found this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/us/su...rnd/index.html

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...The same crop of cars were recalled in 2015 for the same reason, though their airbag inflators were replaced with the same defective Takata design then, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said...
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Old 10-27-2020, 02:05 PM   #7
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I had my second done this month. Apparently the first fix was just a bandaid, but the second is the actual, permanent fix?
are you from Florida LMAO....
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Old 10-27-2020, 03:04 PM   #8
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Great so more rattles in our already rattly subarus. I just cringe thinking about the repair cause the last time I took my car in, I found a couple of screws in my center cup holder. Couldnt find where their home was so I assumed it belonged somewhere inside the dash.
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Old 10-27-2020, 03:17 PM   #9
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Yes I did mine the second time.
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Old 10-27-2020, 07:13 PM   #10
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Honestly, I would expect the airbag thing to be an issue for quite some time. It's still uncertain how far Takata actually fudged the numbers. Since they already publicly apologized for wrongdoing in Japan, the domestic pressure of investigations has evaporated and it's unlikely all of the evidence was uncovered. Hopefully they continue to make things right and get everyone who needs airbags changed.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:48 AM   #11
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According to the letter I got the first recall was a "replace with like" (the bandaid fix) since the defect was corrosion related (I think?). This bought them a few years to do the proper replacement which is this round. It all makes some sense, but is still rather annoying.
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Old 10-28-2020, 07:50 PM   #12
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First hand experience - probably put in a hundred-fifty or so inflators before I quit Subaru.
When Subaru first started replacing air bag inflators there were no updated inflators. ALL inflators recalled and the replacements had ammonium nitrate for fuel. The issue causing the recall was over time heat and moisture caused the ammonium nitrate to become more volatile when ignited and could cause a larger explosion than designed for.

Initial replacements were brand new, but the old design, and were deemed safe until they could ramp up manufacturing of the new design. Subaru techs (at least the ones attending classes in ATL) were told there would be a second round when a new design came out. As I recall Outbacks started getting the new design first and then as more came available they started replacing the ones that had the older design installed in the first round. Seems like this started happening 2 years ago. The original and original replacement was an all metal canister. The updated supposedly safe inflator has pink plastic ends.
And yes, there are a bunch of hack techs out there taking short cuts and breaking stuff instead of taking the extra 15 minutes to do the job correctly.
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Old 10-30-2020, 12:45 PM   #13
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First hand experience - probably put in a hundred-fifty or so inflators before I quit Subaru.
When Subaru first started replacing air bag inflators there were no updated inflators. ALL inflators recalled and the replacements had ammonium nitrate for fuel. The issue causing the recall was over time heat and moisture caused the ammonium nitrate to become more volatile when ignited and could cause a larger explosion than designed for.

Initial replacements were brand new, but the old design, and were deemed safe until they could ramp up manufacturing of the new design. Subaru techs (at least the ones attending classes in ATL) were told there would be a second round when a new design came out. As I recall Outbacks started getting the new design first and then as more came available they started replacing the ones that had the older design installed in the first round. Seems like this started happening 2 years ago. The original and original replacement was an all metal canister. The updated supposedly safe inflator has pink plastic ends.
And yes, there are a bunch of hack techs out there taking short cuts and breaking stuff instead of taking the extra 15 minutes to do the job correctly.


Interesting. Thanks for the info. Just find it odd subaru would tell the public to get their cars fixed when in fact it's just a patch. That's why I was kind of confused by the latest notice. I only imagine a huge lawsuit if someone got their car "fixed" the first time around and got into an accident where the airbag caused serious injury.
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Old 10-30-2020, 02:32 PM   #14
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Make sure you take pics of the dash in the parking lot when dropping it off. I ended up with screw driver marks around the radio bezel this last airbag go around.
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Old 10-30-2020, 02:45 PM   #15
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My dash got ****ed up too. Did both recalls. Sold car. Good riddance.
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Old 10-30-2020, 04:10 PM   #16
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First hand experience - probably put in a hundred-fifty or so inflators before I quit Subaru.
When Subaru first started replacing air bag inflators there were no updated inflators. ALL inflators recalled and the replacements had ammonium nitrate for fuel. The issue causing the recall was over time heat and moisture caused the ammonium nitrate to become more volatile when ignited and could cause a larger explosion than designed for.

Initial replacements were brand new, but the old design, and were deemed safe until they could ramp up manufacturing of the new design. Subaru techs (at least the ones attending classes in ATL) were told there would be a second round when a new design came out. As I recall Outbacks started getting the new design first and then as more came available they started replacing the ones that had the older design installed in the first round. Seems like this started happening 2 years ago. The original and original replacement was an all metal canister. The updated supposedly safe inflator has pink plastic ends.
And yes, there are a bunch of hack techs out there taking short cuts and breaking stuff instead of taking the extra 15 minutes to do the job correctly.
Why was it only the passenger side on STI's??
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Old 10-30-2020, 08:16 PM   #17
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Why was it only the passenger side on STI's??
Because that is the only inflator made by Takata that used Ammonium Nitrate that was installed in Subarus. The recall only affects passenger side on all Subaru, not just STI.
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Old 10-30-2020, 08:22 PM   #18
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Interesting. Thanks for the info. Just find it odd subaru would tell the public to get their cars fixed when in fact it's just a patch. That's why I was kind of confused by the latest notice. I only imagine a huge lawsuit if someone got their car "fixed" the first time around and got into an accident where the airbag caused serious injury.
Liability. The inflators only became unstable after extended exposure to heat and humidity. The chemicals became unstable over time. Putting a new inflator in until they get a new design built is much safer than leaving the old part in that may be unstable when ignited
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Liability. The inflators only became unstable after extended exposure to heat and humidity. The chemicals became unstable over time. Putting a new inflator in until they get a new design built is much safer than leaving the old part in that may be unstable when ignited
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Thanks, this all makes sense now. I’ve had it done for awhile now, I found it infuriating that the first recall used the same defective inflators as the originals. I wasn’t totally sure how they’d take apart the dash so I removed the gauge pod just in case. It’s kinda delicate and if it was manhandled off, the retaining legs would snap.
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What is considered a duration of time though where the ignitor can degrade to the point where it becomes more volitile? Is it one year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years??? Assuming of course the conditions of humidity that can cause it to degrade.
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Old 11-02-2020, 08:59 PM   #22
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What is considered a duration of time though where the ignitor can degrade to the point where it becomes more volitile? Is it one year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years??? Assuming of course the conditions of humidity that can cause it to degrade.
That was never disclosed. Tell you what, here is a link to the recall information Subaru provides to dealers. If tells the who, what, why and even details the how. It's a long read, but once you read it you will know EVERYTHING a Subaru dealer and service tech knows about the recall.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...9V008-7207.pdf
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That was never disclosed. Tell you what, here is a link to the recall information Subaru provides to dealers. If tells the who, what, why and even details the how. It's a long read, but once you read it you will know EVERYTHING a Subaru dealer and service tech knows about the recall.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...9V008-7207.pdf
thank you for taking the time to share that! Is there a bulletin for the previously replaced airbags like my 2006 STI?
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Old 11-03-2020, 07:44 AM   #24
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thank you for taking the time to share that! Is there a bulletin for the previously replaced airbags like my 2006 STI?
Sure! Don't thank me, I no longer have access to STIS, thank Google.
A quick Google search "takata air bag recall 2006 sti nhtsa" returns:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...0V003-7963.pdf
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Sure! Don't thank me, I no longer have access to STIS, thank Google.
A quick Google search "takata air bag recall 2006 sti nhtsa" returns:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...0V003-7963.pdf
Interesting, so the wording of that document indicates that some retailers installed updated ingitors that were replacements for OE part and were not "like for like" swaps. I recall my dealer telling me that the part they put in was a one time fix and that it shouldnt need it again, but I did get a letter for this expansion, although according to the wording in that document it requires an "inspection" to confirm? Is there something that changed such that in cases where the OE was not replaced with a "like for like" ignitor, that they now have to inspect the "updated" replacement to determine if it needs it again? Sounds like they cant just go by their R/O's in their systems? I understand you said they were all replaced with the same degradable("like for like", ignitors but the wording in that document indicates some were'nt.
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