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Old 08-23-2016, 04:34 PM   #51
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A. Governing Law. To the fullest extent permitted by law and except as explicitly provided otherwise, this Agreement and any disputes arising out of or relating to it will be governed by the laws of the state of New Jersey without regard to its conflict of law principles. Any action or litigation concerning this Agreement will take place exclusively in the federal or state courts sitting in Camden, New Jersey, and you expressly consent to the jurisdiction of and venue in such courts and waive all defenses of lack of jurisdiction and inconvenient forum with respect to such courts. For any such actions, you hereby agree to service of process by mail or other method acceptable under the laws of the state of New Jersey.

It looks like my state had something to do with this Starlink Connect BUll****.
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I wonder who else the data can be released to upon court order. Say I dispute a speeding ticket, and the StarlinkConnect records are subpoenaed, am I screwed?

It's already spilling the beans regarding mods.

I'm signed up for the default term, but this thing is getting disconnected. I don't see any real benefits, and PLENTY of disadvantages.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:20 AM   #53
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I wonder who else the data can be released to upon court order. Say I dispute a speeding ticket, and the StarlinkConnect records are subpoenaed, am I screwed?

It's already spilling the beans regarding mods.

I'm signed up for the default term, but this thing is getting disconnected. I don't see any real benefits, and PLENTY of disadvantages.
Same, here.
I have the footwell illumination kit. When i install it, probably on day two, that Starlink will be unplugged.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:07 AM   #54
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I wonder who else the data can be released to upon court order. Say I dispute a speeding ticket, and the StarlinkConnect records are subpoenaed, am I screwed?

It's already spilling the beans regarding mods.

I'm signed up for the default term, but this thing is getting disconnected. I don't see any real benefits, and PLENTY of disadvantages.

Wow. Breaking the law results in disadvantages? Who'da thunk?
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:09 AM   #55
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Wow. Breaking the law results in disadvantages? Who'da thunk?
Are you saying that disconnecting the Starlink is against the law?
Which?
Forgive me, I'm not a lawyer. I don't see anything in that Jersey except that pertains.
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:24 AM   #56
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Are you saying that disconnecting the Starlink is against the law?
Which?
Forgive me, I'm not a lawyer. I don't see anything in that Jersey except that pertains.
He's talking about the other user implying they could not dispute a speeding ticket because the real evidence will show they indeed were speeding.

While it is possible, I think it's a bit hyperbole to think that the court system would chase down little things like speeding tickets through Subaru for this. Is there any evidence of them doing that with OnStar?
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:31 AM   #57
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He's talking about the other user implying they could not dispute a speeding ticket because the real evidence will show they indeed were speeding.

While it is possible, I think it's a bit hyperbole to think that the court system would chase down little things like speeding tickets through Subaru for this. Is there any evidence of them doing that with OnStar?
Ah.... Ok. My bad.
Thanks, for the clarification!
I still don't understand that Jersey thingy.
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Old 08-24-2016, 11:14 AM   #58
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Ah.... Ok. My bad.
Thanks, for the clarification!
I still don't understand that Jersey thingy.
Subaru of America is headquartered in New Jersey, makes sense they would use their home state to me.
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Old 08-24-2016, 11:30 AM   #59
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Wow. Breaking the law results in disadvantages? Who'da thunk?
I'm pointing out that there are more problematic scenarios than just a loss of warranty.

I'd like to have control over where and how my data is being used. Speed, GPS, engine parameters, and who knows what else. Maybe even what i'm listening to on the radio and how often.

Who knows what really happens when you don't continue after the free trial. Does it stop collecting and uploading data to Subaru, or do you only lose the StarlinkConnect features that are visible to you?

Much wider implications. I'm sure Subaru was following suit based on other automakers, but the idea of even more databases with my personal details doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Especially when I get that letter in the mail telling me that they've been compromised and my information was stolen.
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Old 08-24-2016, 11:54 AM   #60
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Much wider implications. I'm sure Subaru was following suit based on other automakers, but the idea of even more databases with my personal details doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Especially when I get that letter in the mail telling me that they've been compromised and my information was stolen.
^^THIS, most importantly.

I'm wondering what user interfaces may be lost, but disconnecting the Starlink transceiver.
I reckon I'll just have to do it and find out.

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Subaru of America is headquartered in New Jersey, makes sense they would use their home state to me.
Roger. Thanks, for connecting the dots.

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Old 08-24-2016, 04:03 PM   #61
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^^THIS, most importantly.

I'm wondering what user interfaces may be lost, but disconnecting the Starlink transceiver.
I reckon I'll just have to do it and find out.


Roger. Thanks, for connecting the dots.
You shouldn't be disconnecting the unit unless you want to wire passthroughs for the speakers, and are using a head unit mic rather than the integrated ones.

What you should do is just unplug the data antenna from the back of the unit, and if you really want to go nuts, the other two as well. This disables the unit without requiring wiring changes, etc. I've already done this and it works fine.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:05 PM   #62
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You shouldn't be disconnecting the unit unless you want to wire passthroughs for the speakers, and are using a head unit mic rather than the integrated ones.

What you should do is just unplug the data antenna from the back of the unit, and if you really want to go nuts, the other two as well. This disables the unit without requiring wiring changes, etc. I've already done this and it works fine.
That's the transceiver I was referring to, but thanks, for the backup!
I referred to it as a transceiver, because I imagine that it receives and sends data signals. Maybe it's called something else, but it sounds evil.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:25 PM   #63
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I'm pointing out that there are more problematic scenarios than just a loss of warranty.

I'd like to have control over where and how my data is being used. Speed, GPS, engine parameters, and who knows what else. Maybe even what i'm listening to on the radio and how often.

Who knows what really happens when you don't continue after the free trial. Does it stop collecting and uploading data to Subaru, or do you only lose the StarlinkConnect features that are visible to you?

Much wider implications. I'm sure Subaru was following suit based on other automakers, but the idea of even more databases with my personal details doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Especially when I get that letter in the mail telling me that they've been compromised and my information was stolen.
Yeah. I won't argue this at all.

Though, as for what Subaru may look at after the trial period is over. I don't think they want to put effort to a person that isn't paying them to do so.....Not saying they don't do it. I have no clue outside I've been told they don't.

The system is there to help/benefit the customer. There really is no reason I can think of to disconnect the module other than to break a law or do something that could lead to warranty fraud.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:45 PM   #64
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You shouldn't be disconnecting the unit unless you want to wire passthroughs for the speakers, and are using a head unit mic rather than the integrated ones.

What you should do is just unplug the data antenna from the back of the unit, and if you really want to go nuts, the other two as well. This disables the unit without requiring wiring changes, etc. I've already done this and it works fine.
I hope you're correct, but I am still suspicious.
Here are some references...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2803387

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...d.php?t=508193
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Old 08-25-2016, 10:20 AM   #65
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Yeah. I won't argue this at all.
............ There really is no reason I can think of to disconnect the module other than to break a law or do something that could lead to warranty fraud.
Privacy is the only reason. It's a hard thing to get back when you start trading it in.
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:41 PM   #66
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Yeah. I won't argue this at all.

Though, as for what Subaru may look at after the trial period is over. I don't think they want to put effort to a person that isn't paying them to do so.....Not saying they don't do it. I have no clue outside I've been told they don't.

The system is there to help/benefit the customer. There really is no reason I can think of to disconnect the module other than to break a law or do something that could lead to warranty fraud.
Really? In this day and age of data mining, for everything from commercializing your info to using it against you, you can't think of ANY OTHER REASONS?
Well, its still a relatively free country, so you can think what you want to.
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Old 08-25-2016, 04:31 PM   #67
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I hope you're correct, but I am still suspicious.
Here are some references...
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http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...d.php?t=508193
I've both had the physical unit out of the car and read the wiring diagrams...

Unplugging the antenna stops the signal. I have a wide spectrum antenna and receiver I confirmed this with. The DCM doesn't have an internal antenna. It was using ATT 4G bands in my area. It might fall back to 3G or edge in others but without the antenna it wouldn't matter.

If you are really paranoid you can unplug all three antennas. The DCM will "work" without them but it will not phone home, plot telemetry (no GPS lock), etc. You can hit the button and it tries to call out and fails. It still cuts the front speakers out and the passthrough acts as normal. The DCM can still read any signal off the CAN bus. It could log this locally but the data store would be limited in size. There is no known method of extracting data out of the DCM without letting it upload to SOA. I'm sure it's possible but you won't have someone "hacking" your car wirelessly. If they have access to the CAN bus the DCM is on, you are already screwed as they have physical access to the car, and all of the other devices on the CAN bus (steering controller, ECU, body computer, etc)...
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Really? In this day and age of data mining, for everything from commercializing your info to using it against you, you can't think of ANY OTHER REASONS?
Well, its still a relatively free country, so you can think what you want to.

All the other things that do this to you and you are worried about Subaru? I don't care if they know what I do. I am not paranoid. I don't purposely break the law and if I mod, I do so without an intent on challenging the warranty on any mod breaks.
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Old 08-26-2016, 08:17 AM   #69
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Lots of people. They are called enthusiasts and there used to be quite a few of them on internet forums.
Bolting a bunch of off the shelf trash to your car and being terrible with money doesn't make you an enthusiast.
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Do you have to pay for this or is it complimentary?

When I had a GM and Onstar, I got rid of it after the free year was up since I didn't want to pay the $150/year that they wanted. It was cheaper to just get roadside assistance through my insurance provider (roughly $3/mo)
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Do you have to pay for this or is it complimentary?

When I had a GM and Onstar, I got rid of it after the free year was up since I didn't want to pay the $150/year that they wanted. It was cheaper to just get roadside assistance through my insurance provider (roughly $3/mo)
According to Joe Spitz...about 80% down the page
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Old 08-26-2016, 01:18 PM   #72
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Just to clarify. ALL Subaru's have Starlink. Not all have Starlink Connected Services(as stated a few posts before).
Wait a sec with that ALL statement. My '08 LGT does not have telematics. While it does have GPS, it doesn't phone home like my '17.
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Old 08-26-2016, 07:01 PM   #73
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Wait a sec with that ALL statement. My '08 LGT does not have telematics. While it does have GPS, it doesn't phone home like my '17.
Sorry. Was talking about current model years. I shouldn't assume everyone would understand when we were talking about Starlink Connected Services.
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Wait a sec with that ALL statement. My '08 LGT does not have telematics. While it does have GPS, it doesn't phone home like my '17.

Actually, I can't believe I missed you missing my point. You said your car doesn't have telematics, which "isn't" Starlink. The head unit and everything in it is Starlink. My point was disseminating the two.
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Old 08-27-2016, 08:39 AM   #75
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you completely missed his point.


I am pleased that I don't "get it ".
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