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08-23-2016, 04:34 PM | #51 |
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It looks like my state had something to do with this Starlink Connect BUll****.
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08-24-2016, 12:17 AM | #52 |
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I wonder who else the data can be released to upon court order. Say I dispute a speeding ticket, and the StarlinkConnect records are subpoenaed, am I screwed?
It's already spilling the beans regarding mods. I'm signed up for the default term, but this thing is getting disconnected. I don't see any real benefits, and PLENTY of disadvantages. |
08-24-2016, 12:20 AM | #53 | |
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I have the footwell illumination kit. When i install it, probably on day two, that Starlink will be unplugged. |
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08-24-2016, 01:07 AM | #54 | |
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Wow. Breaking the law results in disadvantages? Who'da thunk? |
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08-24-2016, 09:09 AM | #55 |
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08-24-2016, 10:24 AM | #56 | |
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While it is possible, I think it's a bit hyperbole to think that the court system would chase down little things like speeding tickets through Subaru for this. Is there any evidence of them doing that with OnStar? |
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08-24-2016, 10:31 AM | #57 | |
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Thanks, for the clarification! I still don't understand that Jersey thingy. |
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08-24-2016, 11:14 AM | #58 |
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08-24-2016, 11:30 AM | #59 |
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I'm pointing out that there are more problematic scenarios than just a loss of warranty.
I'd like to have control over where and how my data is being used. Speed, GPS, engine parameters, and who knows what else. Maybe even what i'm listening to on the radio and how often. Who knows what really happens when you don't continue after the free trial. Does it stop collecting and uploading data to Subaru, or do you only lose the StarlinkConnect features that are visible to you? Much wider implications. I'm sure Subaru was following suit based on other automakers, but the idea of even more databases with my personal details doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Especially when I get that letter in the mail telling me that they've been compromised and my information was stolen. |
08-24-2016, 11:54 AM | #60 | |
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I'm wondering what user interfaces may be lost, but disconnecting the Starlink transceiver. I reckon I'll just have to do it and find out. Roger. Thanks, for connecting the dots. Last edited by pizza_pablo; 08-24-2016 at 11:58 AM. Reason: Add quote |
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08-24-2016, 04:03 PM | #61 | |
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What you should do is just unplug the data antenna from the back of the unit, and if you really want to go nuts, the other two as well. This disables the unit without requiring wiring changes, etc. I've already done this and it works fine. |
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08-24-2016, 07:05 PM | #62 | |
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I referred to it as a transceiver, because I imagine that it receives and sends data signals. Maybe it's called something else, but it sounds evil. |
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08-24-2016, 07:25 PM | #63 | |
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Though, as for what Subaru may look at after the trial period is over. I don't think they want to put effort to a person that isn't paying them to do so.....Not saying they don't do it. I have no clue outside I've been told they don't. The system is there to help/benefit the customer. There really is no reason I can think of to disconnect the module other than to break a law or do something that could lead to warranty fraud. |
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08-24-2016, 07:45 PM | #64 | |
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Here are some references... http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2803387 http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...d.php?t=508193 |
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08-25-2016, 10:20 AM | #65 |
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Privacy is the only reason. It's a hard thing to get back when you start trading it in.
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08-25-2016, 12:41 PM | #66 | |
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Well, its still a relatively free country, so you can think what you want to. |
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08-25-2016, 04:31 PM | #67 | |
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Unplugging the antenna stops the signal. I have a wide spectrum antenna and receiver I confirmed this with. The DCM doesn't have an internal antenna. It was using ATT 4G bands in my area. It might fall back to 3G or edge in others but without the antenna it wouldn't matter. If you are really paranoid you can unplug all three antennas. The DCM will "work" without them but it will not phone home, plot telemetry (no GPS lock), etc. You can hit the button and it tries to call out and fails. It still cuts the front speakers out and the passthrough acts as normal. The DCM can still read any signal off the CAN bus. It could log this locally but the data store would be limited in size. There is no known method of extracting data out of the DCM without letting it upload to SOA. I'm sure it's possible but you won't have someone "hacking" your car wirelessly. If they have access to the CAN bus the DCM is on, you are already screwed as they have physical access to the car, and all of the other devices on the CAN bus (steering controller, ECU, body computer, etc)... |
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08-25-2016, 04:44 PM | #68 | |
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All the other things that do this to you and you are worried about Subaru? I don't care if they know what I do. I am not paranoid. I don't purposely break the law and if I mod, I do so without an intent on challenging the warranty on any mod breaks. |
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08-26-2016, 08:17 AM | #69 |
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08-26-2016, 10:19 AM | #70 |
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Do you have to pay for this or is it complimentary?
When I had a GM and Onstar, I got rid of it after the free year was up since I didn't want to pay the $150/year that they wanted. It was cheaper to just get roadside assistance through my insurance provider (roughly $3/mo) |
08-26-2016, 11:44 AM | #71 | |
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http://www.cars101.com/subaru/wrxsti...2017.html#news |
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08-26-2016, 01:18 PM | #72 |
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08-26-2016, 07:01 PM | #73 |
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Sorry. Was talking about current model years. I shouldn't assume everyone would understand when we were talking about Starlink Connected Services.
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08-27-2016, 01:45 AM | #74 | |
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Actually, I can't believe I missed you missing my point. You said your car doesn't have telematics, which "isn't" Starlink. The head unit and everything in it is Starlink. My point was disseminating the two. |
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08-27-2016, 08:39 AM | #75 |
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