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Old 08-20-2016, 10:27 PM   #26
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Grown ups that don't want to play the modified shenanigans game.

You're paying for it either way, might as well use it while you can.



And then they grow up and realize that ****ting money away on modifications that usually harm the daily drivability of their car is stupid, coinciding with reaching a point in their life where their income has risen such that they can take a step up in the performance car market and buy something that doesn't need to be modified. Trust me, there's more to life than super stiff suspensions and loud aftermarket exhausts.
Grown ups know that nothing is black and white....

Putting your condesencion to one side (I am 40 yrs old and have modified many a car) you don't have to install super stiff suspension or an overly loud exhaust to enhance an already excellent car. Q300 and RCE yellows on a VA WRX = great improvement over stock with very little downside. The Q300 exhaust is not loud and the yellows are comfortable.

There is also minimal chance of warranty issues from a safe tune and reasonable driver. In fact the stock tune is considered by many to be risky on this model anyway.

Number chasing and BS dyno figures creating unrealistic expectations coupled with bad or overly agressive driving are the real issues.
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Old 08-21-2016, 02:10 AM   #27
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Grown ups that don't want to play the modified shenanigans game.

You're paying for it either way, might as well use it while you can.



And then they grow up and realize that ****ting money away on modifications that usually harm the daily drivability of their car is stupid, coinciding with reaching a point in their life where their income has risen such that they can take a step up in the performance car market and buy something that doesn't need to be modified. Trust me, there's more to life than super stiff suspensions and loud aftermarket exhausts.
You're pretty naive. Grown ups know how big corporations work, we know that decisions aren't always made for performance reasons and that products have to meet a list of requirements. Sometimes that means a softer suspension that appeals to the masses, or coming in under a certain price point, or including useless features so that that checkbox is met when buyers are cross shopping.

A better performing suspension or tuned FA20 are extremely worthwhile for enthusiasts IMO. Lots of power was left on the table for the '15+ WRX apparently (couldn't make it too close to the STI), and the 16+ premium models got cushier suspensions for no apparent reasons. Grown ups understand that companies have to market a product to the masses, sometimes we're willing to make sacrifices (comfort, cost) to get what we want.
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Old 08-21-2016, 02:16 AM   #28
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I'm very curious to know how much data they're collecting and how it's going to be used. Warranty fraud is one thing, but what about denying a warranty claim because you drove too fast (reckless driving). The system can pinpoint you with GPS and gathers all kinds of data.

The example about the airbag was pointless, there's a light on the dash for that. If you need an email to tell you that the Airbag isn't working, then you're an idiot.

I'd like to know how much data it's dumping, who has access to it (can I request full access to my own data for example). etc. etc. What if my insurance company requests it if there's a claim, do they get access?

I can't see any way that this benefits me. Probably going to pull out the antennas next time i'm behind the dash.
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Old 08-21-2016, 02:27 AM   #29
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I never knowingly consented to Subaru retrieving my personal data. If they are in fact downloading information regarding my vehicle, then that's their bad.
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Old 08-21-2016, 11:43 AM   #30
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Was wondering why the system was called "StarLink" when it provided no useful features at all and now I know. In Canada I guess we are lucky (or unlucky if you like the features) to not get the Big Brother portion of the system.
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Old 08-21-2016, 12:18 PM   #31
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Plenty of dudes are modding Lambos and GT3s. You are just old.
you completely missed his point.
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:24 PM   #32
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Lots of people. They are called enthusiasts and there used to be quite a few of them on internet forums.
So because someone is fiscally responsible, they aren't an enthusiast?

And a requirement of being an enthusiast is "voiding" your warranty on a new car?
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Old 08-22-2016, 03:03 AM   #33
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So because someone is fiscally responsible, they aren't an enthusiast?

And a requirement of being an enthusiast is "voiding" your warranty on a new car?
1)Not at all.

2) No, obviously not.

Two can play the simplistic game.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:40 AM   #34
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Yep, I recently got my 17 and signed up as well. Health report showed that my TPMS was on. Yep had an irepairable tire 6 days into ownership. It was the longest 3 days to get a tire in to the dealership since i didn't want to drive on the donut. But yea, computer systems = ability to monitor changes that they can use against you if you had an unfortunate event. Happy modding all.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:48 AM   #35
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Really glad that up here in Canada we don't get that Starlink connected stuff so nothing is sent to Subaru. Is it still collected and checked when you bring it in? Maybe, but I doubt it since I bet it's all within the starlink module. No TPMS up here too which makes swapping wheels/tires even easier especially between summer and winter.

I never really understood those types of services like onstar. Seems like a whole lot of useless additions.
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:06 PM   #36
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Who buys a wrx/sti for the warranty anyway?
People that still have to go to work to make a living?
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:08 PM   #37
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Watching for sure. Notice I can update the mileage (non-StarLink on my LGT)
But not on my STI. They know anything and everything they want to. Car is phoning home.


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Old 08-22-2016, 12:24 PM   #38
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Swapped to new wheels this past weekend with no TPSM sensors, got an automated email from Subaru warning me about my tire pressure.
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:43 PM   #39
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I'm very curious to know how much data they're collecting and how it's going to be used. Warranty fraud is one thing, but what about denying a warranty claim because you drove too fast (reckless driving). The system can pinpoint you with GPS and gathers all kinds of data.

The example about the airbag was pointless, there's a light on the dash for that. If you need an email to tell you that the Airbag isn't working, then you're an idiot.

I'd like to know how much data it's dumping, who has access to it (can I request full access to my own data for example). etc. etc. What if my insurance company requests it if there's a claim, do they get access?

I can't see any way that this benefits me. Probably going to pull out the antennas next time i'm behind the dash.
everything is right here

http://www.subaru.com/company/starlink-terms.html

If your insurance company goes to get a court order, Subaru can share all with them.

For new car, since you are signed up automatically, you are screwed for the signup term (was it 3 months or 3 years?)
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:51 PM   #40
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You get one year for free.
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:55 PM   #41
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Grown ups know that nothing is black and white....

Putting your condesencion to one side (I am 40 yrs old and have modified many a car) you don't have to install super stiff suspension or an overly loud exhaust to enhance an already excellent car. Q300 and RCE yellows on a VA WRX = great improvement over stock with very little downside. The Q300 exhaust is not loud and the yellows are comfortable.

There is also minimal chance of warranty issues from a safe tune and reasonable driver. In fact the stock tune is considered by many to be risky on this model anyway.

Number chasing and BS dyno figures creating unrealistic expectations coupled with bad or overly aggressive driving are the real issues.

Said the right things. Just didn't connect them correctly.

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I'm very curious to know how much data they're collecting and how it's going to be used. Warranty fraud is one thing, but what about denying a warranty claim because you drove too fast (reckless driving). The system can pinpoint you with GPS and gathers all kinds of data.

The example about the airbag was pointless, there's a light on the dash for that. If you need an email to tell you that the Airbag isn't working, then you're an idiot.

I'd like to know how much data it's dumping, who has access to it (can I request full access to my own data for example). etc. etc. What if my insurance company requests it if there's a claim, do they get access?

I can't see any way that this benefits me. Probably going to pull out the antennas next time i'm behind the dash.
So, the light behind the airbag indicator can't fail? And before you start quoting, I've seen a failed low fuel light on a 2 year old car.

And I doubt Subaru will release info to anyone else but relevant companies without a court order. YOU? Dunno.
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:58 PM   #42
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everything is right here

http://www.subaru.com/company/starlink-terms.html

If your insurance company goes to get a court order, Subaru can share all with them.

For new car, since you are signed up automatically, you are screwed for the signup term (was it 3 months or 3 years?)

You can refuse. Question is, does the car still send data? I wanna say I was told it does not. Don't hold me to that though.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:07 PM   #43
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If you subscribe or "use" the service you agree. Stated clearly. So folks, if you want to kill somebody, you better leave your phone and your StarLink connected vehicle at home when committing the crime.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:17 PM   #44
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everything is right here

http://www.subaru.com/company/starlink-terms.html

If your insurance company goes to get a court order, Subaru can share all with them.

For new car, since you are signed up automatically, you are screwed for the signup term (was it 3 months or 3 years?)
If you don't disconnect the module, the data is collected and you could be screwed, whether your "enrolled" or not.
I plan to disconnect it.
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:46 PM   #45
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Plenty of dudes are modding Lambos and GT3s. You are just old.
Not old. Boring.
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:27 AM   #46
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Was wondering why the system was called "StarLink" when it provided no useful features at all and now I know. In Canada I guess we are lucky (or unlucky if you like the features) to not get the Big Brother portion of the system.
It's 'cause the NSA is probably watching them, eh? Just keepin' tabs.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:16 AM   #47
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is this only on the 17's with starlink? I have a 16 sti with starlink
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:29 AM   #48
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is this only on the 17's with starlink? I have a 16 sti with starlink
Your 16 STi might have the upgraded audio, but that isn't Starlink Connected Services (Subaru's OnStar competitor) that the '17s come with.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:25 PM   #49
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Partially agree. Not everyone realises that as they age. Ageing and growing up are two very different entities. I bought my STi at 32 and never believed in modding it then. Today at 45, I still hold the same belief.

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And then they grow up and realize that ****ting money away on modifications that usually harm the daily drivability of their car is stupid
Partially agree here too. I do not think income always dictates mindset or influences one's choices. I moved to the US the same year I bought my STi and used to make twice the MSRP of STi then. Was not into modification then. Today I belong to the much despised "1%" and I still am not into modification. Nor do I want to buy an M5 or 911 Turbo, that are within my budget. I am perfectly happy driving my 13 year old STi. Some people continue to live in their "comfort zone" regardless of disposable income.

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coinciding with reaching a point in their life where their income has risen such that they can take a step up in the performance car market and buy something that doesn't need to be modified.
Totally agree. 100% with you on this.

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Trust me, there's more to life than super stiff suspensions and loud aftermarket exhausts.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:34 PM   #50
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is this only on the 17's with starlink? I have a 16 sti with starlink

Just to clarify. ALL Subaru's have Starlink. Not all have Starlink Connected Services(as stated a few posts before).
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