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Old 04-27-2021, 09:48 AM   #151
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The new M3 is the same size as some prev M5's... **** is ridiculous
Sounds like a big deal until you realize that the 2021 Accord is 10" longer, 1" higher, and 2" wider than the 2021 3 series. It's not 2005 anymore and all cars have grown considerably.
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Old 04-27-2021, 11:03 AM   #152
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Sounds like a big deal until you realize that the 2021 Accord is 10" longer, 1" higher, and 2" wider than the 2021 3 series. It's not 2005 anymore and all cars have grown considerably.
That doesn't mean we should all just sit here and accept it while everything turns into a Rolls Royce Phantom sized bish

(side note: I had absolutely NO appreciation for just how huge those things were till I saw a fleet of them at some british hotel in Hong Kong when I went to visit my cousin)
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Old 04-27-2021, 11:04 AM   #153
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That doesn't mean we should all just sit here and accept it while everything turns into a Rolls Royce Phantom sized bish
Get the pitchforks and torches to demand change.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:59 PM   #154
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That doesn't mean we should all just sit here and accept it while everything turns into a Rolls Royce Phantom sized bish
Okay when are you planning the protest and where?
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Get the tiki torches and tactiard gear to demand change.

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Old 04-28-2021, 09:35 AM   #156
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Sounds like a big deal until you realize that the 2021 Accord is 10" longer, 1" higher, and 2" wider than the 2021 3 series. It's not 2005 anymore and all cars have grown considerably.
So what, I miss the E36 and E46 sized M3's... sigh
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:00 AM   #157
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So what, I miss the E36 and E46 sized M3's... sigh
That's what the M2 is for.

Only a matter of time before BMW starts pitching a new car based on the crap shoot 2 series Grand Coupe, with its garbage mini transverse engine layout, as the replacement for the old E90 M3.

U mizz zee feeling of zee old M3, here try zis one on for sssiizzzzzee. U vill like the tranzverse layout. ve guarantee the "Ultimate driving machine" feeeling.
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:01 AM   #158
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That's what the M2 is for.

Only a matter of time before BMW starts pitching a new car based on the crap shoot 2 series Grand Coupe, with its garbage mini transverse engine layout, as the replacement for the old E90 M3.

U mizz zee feeling of zee old M3, here try zis one on for sssiizzzzzee. U vill like the tranzverse layout. ve guarantee the "Ultimate driving machine" feeeling.
The four door E36 M3 was a gem. I wish they offered a four door M2 (not based on the transverse thing).
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:20 AM   #159
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The four door E36 M3 was a gem. I wish they offered a four door M2 (not based on the transverse thing).
It was a reliability nightmare. Thankfully the Germans have only improved that by a minimal margin

Just look at BMW's record:

Bad Fuel Pumps - Check
Bad Coil Packs - Check
Bad Throttle Body actuators - Check
Bad VANOS - Check (Ohh shiz, VTEC just kicked yo momma's butt)
Bad Rod Bearings - Check
Bad Water Pumps - Check (can't believe Toyota went plastic too, WTF)
Bad Crankhubs - Check

You gotta wonder why people want a Lexus IS-F.

Yes, a 4 door M2 variant would be fantastic to compete with the RS3. But it will leech sales from the M3 and that's BMW's bread and butter.

On topic though, that bunny teeth nose is hideous. BMW can put all the splitters on it they want, it's still ugly.

Anyone notice all the chassis bracing under the hood and underneath? Amazing how BMW is purposely trying to hide the girth of this car by touting front end feeling, and of course all the fanbois are "ohhh, ahh, it feels so good. It's the best since sliced bread." Then there are the clowns that are saying "This motor trumps the Toyota 2JZ." lolsss silly fanbois.
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Old 04-28-2021, 11:45 AM   #160
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It was a reliability nightmare. Thankfully the Germans have only improved that by a minimal margin

Just look at BMW's record:

Bad Fuel Pumps - Check
Bad Coil Packs - Check
Bad Throttle Body actuators - Check
Bad VANOS - Check (Ohh shiz, VTEC just kicked yo momma's butt)
Bad Rod Bearings - Check
Bad Water Pumps - Check (can't believe Toyota went plastic too, WTF)
Bad Crankhubs - Check

You gotta wonder why people want a Lexus IS-F.

Yes, a 4 door M2 variant would be fantastic to compete with the RS3. But it will leech sales from the M3 and that's BMW's bread and butter.

On topic though, that bunny teeth nose is hideous. BMW can put all the splitters on it they want, it's still ugly.

Anyone notice all the chassis bracing under the hood and underneath? Amazing how BMW is purposely trying to hide the girth of this car by touting front end feeling, and of course all the fanbois are "ohhh, ahh, it feels so good. It's the best since sliced bread." Then there are the clowns that are saying "This motor trumps the Toyota 2JZ." lolsss silly fanbois.
Um, the S55 was / is pretty damn reliable. The biggest issue seems to be the crank hub which is less than like 2% of the M cars sold. The S55 can also handle a **** ton of power without needing internals very reliably. Assuming you do the recommended maintenance on them, they actually hold up really well.
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Old 04-28-2021, 03:01 PM   #161
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Lots of high mileage F8x M3/M4 owners on the Bimmerpost forums without having much in the way of issues. Most of those issues listed date back to last decade and are not applicable to new models. It seems to me that Subaru has more issues with their new models than BMW does.
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Old 04-28-2021, 03:22 PM   #162
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Um, the S55 was / is pretty damn reliable. The biggest issue seems to be the crank hub which is less than like 2% of the M cars sold. The S55 can also handle a **** ton of power without needing internals very reliably. Assuming you do the recommended maintenance on them, they actually hold up really well.
He was either talking about the S50/S52 (e.g., the US E36 M3 engine) or his comment was a non sequitur.

I've known many people who have owned E36 M3s (both back in the day and old/used ones) with both engines and I can't recall hearing anything egregious RE reliability.
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:30 PM   #163
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He was either talking about the S50/S52 (e.g., the US E36 M3 engine) or his comment was a non sequitur.

I've known many people who have owned E36 M3s (both back in the day and old/used ones) with both engines and I can't recall hearing anything egregious RE reliability.
Honestly, the biggest issue with e36/46 is the rear subframe. Yes, the vanos needs servicing at 100k miles but if you maintained the car up until then, they actually run rather reliably.


The smg trans however is a different story. It could crap out at 3k miles, 30k, 60k, 100k. It was Russian roulette with those trans.
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Old 04-28-2021, 05:14 PM   #164
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Hmm let's see

VANOS issue with my E46 ZHP at 30K
Steering pump at 42K
Rear Subframe would slam if you rowed gears too quick from 1st to 2nd (chirpping rear tires would be followed up with a huge BOOM in the back)
Bad Xenons ballasts, this was a b***h. BMW never warranted them. Imagine a 45K car and you can't see at night but hey it's 330i ZHP.
Bad fuel pump on the E92 (N54), Turbos replaced, Control arm bushings, steering thrust bearings (all under 40K)

Check the forums about issues with the 4 cylinder turbo motors.

Don't get me wrong, I am still tempted to pick up a F80 M3 in 6 speed trim.
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You can check the forums about how solid the F8x has been;

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...043508&page=63
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Looking through a thread there I came across this little nugget:

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it looks like there were about 10,000 E90 M3s sold. So, sales figures more than tripled for this generation. Great to see such strong demand for practical four door, high performance sport sedans.
Reminds me of what *ahem* some people here say about the current WRX. It's like there is a cross forum bot spewing these identical talking points.
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That's what the M2 is for.
Yup, had one for awhile
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I might get back into an M2 within a few months (M2C this time). The Carbahn tune makes like 475-500whp on just a tune alone. I do think they recommend upgrading the heat exchanger which is like $700. Figure $2,500 to make 500whp in a rather small car and you have a serious street car.
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I'm picking up an 21 M2C tomorrow (6 speed!!) and all my research has pointed to the S55 being very reliable too.

My daily is/was an 05 STi I bought new and it has been bulletproof on a Cobb Stage 2 93 octane off the shelf tune. I've been running the tune since 10K miles and it has 141K on it now. Sad to sell it but that M2C is, "WOW!"

About tuning though, supposedly, only 2019's and early 2020 M2Cs can be "tuned". There's maybe a few plug in modules for it, but as of now, true tunes are out unless it's a 19 or early 2020.
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BMW has announced a series of 2022 (in Europe) updates for a number of models, including the 2-Series Active Tourer, 2-Series Coupe, 4-Series Gran Coupe, 5-Series, 6-Series Gran Turismo, X5, X6, and Z4, while revealing the upcoming facelifted M3s (to be sold as a 2023MY in North America) revised interior with the Curved Display.

Starting with the 2-Series Active Tourer, it will soon be available with two new plug-in hybrid powertrains as well as a new mild-hybrid diesel. Both of the plug-in hybrid models have a three-cylinder petrol engine mated to a rear-mounted electric motor. The entry-level 225e xDrive Active Tourer is rated at 245 hp while the 230e xDrive Active Tourer has 326 hp.

As for the new 2.0-liter four-cylinder diesel, it powers the 223d xDrive Active Tourer and sports 48-volt mild-hybrid technology. It is rated at 197 hp and 295 lb-ft (400 Nm).


Moving to the 2-Series Coupe, it is now offered in 218i guise featuring a 2.0-liter four-cylinder with 156 hp and 184 lb-ft (250 Nm) and an 8-speed Steptronic automatic transmission. BMW has also added an M240i to the range, featuring the same 3.0-liter turbo-six as the M240i xDrive but now solely rear-wheel drive and producing 374 hp. BMW has also updated the 2022 2-Series Coupe with new paddle shifters and its Curved Display, consisting of a 12.3-inch digital gauge cluster and a 14.9-inch infotainment display.

Moving to the 4-Series Gran Coupe, it will now be available in M440i guise without all-wheel drive and just rear-wheel drive. A new 430d xDrive Gran Coupe has also been launched with a 3.0-liter turbo-diesel six rated at 286 hp and 479 lb-ft (650 Nm). An M Sport Package Pro is also being launched for all 4-Series models, including the i4 M50.

Similarly, BMW has launched a new M Sport Package Pro for the 5-Series Sedan, 5-Series Touring, and 6-Series Gran Turismo. Extended standard equipment has also been added to the Z4 and includes a fully digital gauge cluster. X5 and X6 models also now feature Sensafin décor-quilted interior trim.


From July 2022, the BMW M3 Sedan will also be available with the automaker’s aforementioned Curved Display. It can also be optioned with a wireless charging tray, new M interior trims finished in Aluminum Rhombicle Anthracite, and can be finished in Frozen Pure Grey metallic for the first time. A new M graphics package has been separately launched for the M4 Coupe.

All BMW models equipped with the new Operating System 8 will also receive an updated navigation system and BMW Intelligent Personal Assistant.

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