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Old 02-11-2015, 10:27 AM   #5626
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Human eyes to verify and track a moving target?
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:50 AM   #5627
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Completely uneducated guess: It's meant to be used when firing at moving targets over the horizon. The ship can't guide it in. With the F18 doing the targeting, the tomahawk doesn't need to radiate, making it a less obvious threat/harder to shoot down. I'm also assuming the F18 has a much more advance targeting and countermeasures system than the missile, so it's harder to jam or confuse.
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:34 PM   #5628
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Think forward air controller guiding arty in
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:00 PM   #5629
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Crazy that the pigeons started leaving before the tomahawk hit.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:22 PM   #5630
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Umm, pretty sure the Hornet wasn't controlling that missile. It was only there as a chase platform.
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:16 PM   #5631
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Umm, pretty sure the Hornet wasn't controlling that missile. It was only there as a chase platform.
Bingo.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/thi...-is-1684902149
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:06 PM   #5632
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Umm, pretty sure the Hornet wasn't controlling that missile. It was only there as a chase platform.
I thought it was BS at first too, but apparently that Hornet actually had some sort of in flight guidance input for that missile. "Guided" might be a bit of a exaggeration, but it sounds like the missile received updated target coordinates from the F-18 in flight.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm...sStory&id=5833

(I'm assuming a USN website is a credible source for information.....)
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:12 PM   #5633
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Well, that article says it was receiving "updates" from a surveillance platform. I don't know if this new Tomahawk is in Link 16 and that's how it's getting it's updates but that would be my guess. If that's the case, any Link 16 capable platform can pass target quality updates to it. The Hornet is not actively guiding this thing into a target.

The other article states the idea is to have a Triton or P-8 pump updates to this missile inflight (which is good).

To see a Hornet actually guide a weapon into a ship, look at the SLAM-ER.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:06 PM   #5634
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Hit a moving target without laser/eo/radar guidance is what is a big deal.
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:01 PM   #5635
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Great video... Love the intro (high flight)...

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Old 03-09-2015, 10:17 AM   #5636
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Old 03-09-2015, 10:35 AM   #5637
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Picked this book up the other day and started reading yesterday; couldn't put it down.
Was it actually a good book? I've heard that it reads a lot like a series of mission reports and is pretty dry, so I've been back and forth over buying it.
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Old 03-09-2015, 11:16 AM   #5638
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Why do carrier jets sometimes loiter around the ship with only their tail hook down? To a noob, it just looks uncool.
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Old 03-09-2015, 11:29 AM   #5639
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Was it actually a good book? I've heard that it reads a lot like a series of mission reports and is pretty dry, so I've been back and forth over buying it.
I have ~40 pages left, so I feel like I have a pretty good feel for its entirety. I haven't read any other pilot books (other than Unbroken), so I can't really compare it to anything else. In no way has it seemed to be just a series of mission reports. Of course, a good portion of the book recounts interesting missions Robin flew, but there's no way to fill up 300 pages in nothing but missions.

Starts off with a short bit about his upbringing, then some about his time at West Point. After that, his struggle to A) become a fighter pilot and B) getting stationed somewhere to see some action during WWII. There are bits of personal life thrown in too throughout the book, but most of it revolves around his time in service, thankfully. Many recounted tales about things happening on bases he was stationed and his distaste for the Pentagon. At no point in the book have I thought it wasn't Olds writing the words I was reading, which is what I was most worried about before buying the book.
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Old 03-09-2015, 01:01 PM   #5640
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I have ~40 pages left, so I feel like I have a pretty good feel for its entirety. I haven't read any other pilot books (other than Unbroken), so I can't really compare it to anything else. In no way has it seemed to be just a series of mission reports. Of course, a good portion of the book recounts interesting missions Robin flew, but there's no way to fill up 300 pages in nothing but missions.

Starts off with a short bit about his upbringing, then some about his time at West Point. After that, his struggle to A) become a fighter pilot and B) getting stationed somewhere to see some action during WWII. There are bits of personal life thrown in too throughout the book, but most of it revolves around his time in service, thankfully. Many recounted tales about things happening on bases he was stationed and his distaste for the Pentagon. At no point in the book have I thought it wasn't Olds writing the words I was reading, which is what I was most worried about before buying the book.
Excellent. Did you ever find it boring, annoying, or whiny?

I already have it pulled up in my Audible account..
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Old 03-09-2015, 01:08 PM   #5641
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Excellent. Did you ever find it boring, annoying, or whiny?

I already have it pulled up in my Audible account..
Only dull times were when he was working at the Pentagon, which only lasted ~10-20 pages. I'd recommend the book to anyone wanting to read about a the subject at hand. I feel the book cuts straight to the point, with no BS, which seemed to be Olds' style of working and living.
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Old 03-09-2015, 02:42 PM   #5642
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Trigger pulled. It'll be next up in line after I finish Hans von Luck's autobiography.
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Old 03-09-2015, 02:48 PM   #5643
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Old 03-09-2015, 02:48 PM   #5644
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Why do carrier jets sometimes loiter around the ship with only their tail hook down? To a noob, it just looks uncool.
Well, first, we're waiting to come and land. It's not like a runway, there are set times to launch and recover. We break this up into what we call "events". Let's say we have 10 jets launching at the beginning of Event 2 (let's say Event 2 launches at noon), when those guys all launch, whatever jets are airborne come back and recover (jets recovering at the end of Event 2 will usually start getting themselves into the stack 10 min prior to Evt 2 launching). We stack ourselves in 1000' blocks overhead the ship in what we call the stack. The stack collapses from the bottom, the guys @ 2k recover first, then the jets at 3k come down to 2k, then they come down once there is room. This is all down comm out btw (at least in the daytime, VFR). Nighttime, IFR is a different process.

We put our hook down once we come back into the stack. It's normal and mostly so we don't forget to put it down later on.
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Old 03-09-2015, 03:05 PM   #5645
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Two F-16s have a mid-air collision during a training mission. The instructor had to eject, but the student was able to return to base with 5 feet of the wing missing.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/m...nsas/23739889/
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:05 PM   #5646
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Two F-16s have a mid-air collision during a training mission. The instructor had to eject, but the student was able to return to base with 5 feet of the wing missing.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/m...nsas/23739889/
So did he get an incomplete for that assignment?
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:35 PM   #5647
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Two F-16s have a mid-air collision during a training mission. The instructor had to eject, but the student was able to return to base with 5 feet of the wing missing.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/m...nsas/23739889/
Why are we wasting money putting all that extra wing on there, when it's obviously not needed?
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:03 PM   #5648
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Errors abound on both pilots. I'd lean on the instructor more than the student in this one.

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Are those bullets on his belt?
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Are those bullets on his belt?
I believe so.

And if they do a movie about this guy, I hope Bill Paxton gets the job. Doppleganger!

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