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Old 01-03-2021, 06:53 PM   #11151
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Step one: pass all cables through the wall

Step 2: go to Amazon and purchase the Banana plugs, because you forgot

Had an issues with running wires through the walls this weekend. I bought a 25 or 35 foot length of RCA cables to run through the walls and move my sub to the corner of the room.

I get the RCA wires up the center of the wall from the receiver to the drop ceiling and over to the corner. Then I tired up extra wire to the existing wires in the wall and pulled that wire up to the drop ceiling. I attached both ends of the RCA wires and start pulling both wires down. Halfway down the wires detach.

So I run to Harbor Freight and grab a fiberglass wire pulling tool. I proceed to attach the spare wire again and get it up. While doing that, the tool is the type that individual rods thread into each other every foot or so, I thought I had 7-8 rods attached and the fiberglass slips inside the wall. I pull with the wire and it does nothing. Canít see it from the drop ceiling. I pull some more until that wire comes free.

I gave up and left that rod in the wall.

So then I go to Home Depot and get a 25 foot winding steel fishing wire tool. I got that
Wire up from the bottom, attach both speaker and RCA cables again. I struggled getting them down. So I retreat and do just the speaker wire, no problem. Repeat to get just the RCA cable down and it still gets stuck, so I pull it back up and split the Red from the White on the RCA cable and start pulling red (I believe) down. That one gets stuck as well but I keep pulling down hoping to force it. Well, itís stuck and stuck good, along with the Steel fishing wire, in the wall. Gave up and I donít know what Iím going to do.

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Old 01-03-2021, 07:18 PM   #11152
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I have the LG C9. The CX uses the same panel and are both amazing. Absolutely don't regurt the purchase.

Related gripe: streaming services that don't support 5.1 through their browsers. Easy enough to download their app to the TV, but it's annoying.
I've been dealing with this a lot. Hating how stuff is only in PCM Stereo across different devices (same service).

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TV (apps on the TV) will sometimes do ATMOS, or DD+ for various services.

However, Chromecast (with googletv) won't.

I'm over it. Using DTS Neu X on the non DD+ (PCM Stereo feeds).
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Old 01-03-2021, 07:33 PM   #11153
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We used a long long drill bit to drill through the floor boards. This hole lead to the basement area which is open ceiling. Neat. Except that most holes ended in a very tight area.
We had to use a wide drill bit (1/2 to 1 inch) just to open up the holes enough for cables to pass.
RCA cable was the worst as it had the plug. I didnt want to cut it. The speaker wires were easier, as I could fold them and pull them.

We did have the cables and wire puller get stuck at times. Hole wasn't big enough, or the puller's hook was tangled. Might want to try push it back and undo the pull, try one cable at a time, or widen the holes a bit.

Took a friend an I 6 hours with lunch break to do just the pulls. I took care of finishing up after he left.
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Old 01-03-2021, 08:06 PM   #11154
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Mine is in the basement, so we canít really go from underneath.

The wall down there have a texture to them. I wonder if it would be worth it to pull the drywall down in the spring, attach some conduit to the posts and put new, smooth drywall down there and paint the theatre area.

The current state of the basement:


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Old 01-03-2021, 08:29 PM   #11155
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Had an issues with running wires through the walls this weekend. .... Well, itís stuck and stuck good, along with the Steel fishing wire, in the wall. Gave up and I donít know what Iím going to do.
I helped an electrician pull wires way back in the 1970s. I remember he would get pissed if I didn't make a proper "torpedo". It has to be really smooth and slick, and not too thick or stiff. And we used some sort of lube on the cables.

If a wire got stuck in the chase, we would immediately stop and free it, never get it stuck. Sometimes it helps to pull on the other wires in the same run, from either/both directions.

That's all I got.
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Old 01-03-2021, 08:31 PM   #11156
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Suspended ceiling? That would be my go-to.
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Old 01-03-2021, 08:34 PM   #11157
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I tried pulling from the top but itís stuck good. I was just looking at the marks on the steel fishing tool, the 24 foot mark is just outside of the outlet box. So that means that itís only 8-10 inches inside the wall potentially. Trying to see what small, skinny but long thing I can get in there to try and wedge it free.
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Old 01-03-2021, 08:41 PM   #11158
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What else is run to that box? Maybe try pulling on those wires a bit in an attempt to free the fish up.
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Old 01-03-2021, 08:41 PM   #11159
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Is it run inside conduit?
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Hey guys, looking for some suggestions. Recently got a new XBOX and looking into replacing my existing 50" 1080 LED with a modern 55". Went to Best Buy yesterday and almost walked out with a Samsung Q70T as it was rated pretty well for the price, however it was out of stock. The salesman pointed me to an LG CX series, which was significantly more expensive (1,450ish) but had great ratings and it was OLED--also out of stock.

He mentioned the TV manufacturers are gearing up to release this year's new sets. I saw Samsung is releasing its new Quantum Dot technology, which as I understand, is essentially its version of OLED. Thoughts on this? I'm not in a huge rush, but don't mind spending some $ on a nice TV. My use case is Xbox gaming, and Netflix movie/show watching in the bedroom, which is generally dark. I'll hang up and listen, thanks
If you want something now, buy an LG OLED. They really are at the top of the heap when it comes to displays that are fully functional for gamers. There's nothing that next year's displays will do that the CX (and really the C9 before it) cant already do.

If you are not in a rush, CES is coming up, and new models are being announced. These will typically ship in March. I'd still recommend waiting a couple months beyond that for price, demand, and firmware issues to settle down as is the norm with any new display launch.
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Old 01-03-2021, 09:37 PM   #11161
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What else is run to that box? Maybe try pulling on those wires a bit in an attempt to free the fish up.
Tried that. No luck.

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Is it run inside conduit?
I donít see conduit on either end, on the floor looking up through the box or up in the drop ceiling looking down.
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:43 AM   #11162
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i guessing a fire block in the wall that has a "gap" jut big enough for the fish tap? can you put a light source in the bottom, stick your head the ceiling and see all the way down?
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If you want something now, buy an LG OLED. They really are at the top of the heap when it comes to displays that are fully functional for gamers. There's nothing that next year's displays will do that the CX (and really the C9 before it) cant already do.

If you are not in a rush, CES is coming up, and new models are being announced. These will typically ship in March. I'd still recommend waiting a couple months beyond that for price, demand, and firmware issues to settle down as is the norm with any new display launch.
Thanks for the insight. I'll primarily wait but might execute on a CX of price drops significantly meanwhile.
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might have to pull from the top hard. Maybe the fish hook got stuck

Worst case, you have to cut the run wire and the sub wire and do another run.
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i guessing a fire block in the wall that has a "gap" jut big enough for the fish tap? can you put a light source in the bottom, stick your head the ceiling and see all the way down?
I've tried to put my phone in the hole and record a video with the light on, can't really see anything.

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might have to pull from the top hard. Maybe the fish hook got stuck

Worst case, you have to cut the run wire and the sub wire and do another run.
Yeah, for now, I've tossed the RCA's in the ceiling and tried to tidy it up a bit until I can figure it out.

It looks like the block is so close the box, here's a pic I took laying on the floor looking up, you can see the 24 foot mark of the 25 foot steel tool.

One of my best friends has an angled drill bit, he might come over in a few weeks and help me out, after my 2nd covid vaccine shot and once I've got my 95% immunity.

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Also, for those looking for a big TV, not sure about the quality of this particular one, but I got an email from BB about this sale today. 85 Inch Hisense TV for 999:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hisense...?skuId=6429407
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Today I decided to balance the rear speakers again. See my pic on previous page to see why.
They sounded good, but I still felt like the rear balance was off.
Got the idea to connect the rear speakers to the front inputs, that way I could play some music and balance to the center seating position. The new banana connections behind the tv made it a snap to do this.

+2 to left, -2.5 to right I also pointed the tweeters differently to center the soundstage.
Worked great!

Spiderman Far From Home, around 1:15 has some of the best full surround scenes to test this out.
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Get one of those cheap snake cams that work with your cell phone.
Do you currently have anything in the wall that moves you can use, or is everything stuck now.
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Sorry posted in the wrong thread but is it in a spot you could cut a hole and free it up?
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Get one of those cheap snake cams that work with your cell phone.
Do you currently have anything in the wall that moves you can use, or is everything stuck now.
Yeah, that's a good idea.

The actual speaker cable works, still able to pull that up/down, so the single RCA cable is stuck on something.

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Sorry posted in the wrong thread but is it in a spot you could cut a hole and free it up?
Yeah, I think that's on the list, I hate to cut a hole in the wall and have to patch it, but if nothing else works, that's a last resort.
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If it were me, I'd pull everything out of the wall, and pull two strings through with the speaker wire when it comes out. Tie one string off as an emergency back-up spare.
Then I'd prepare to pull it all back in. I'd google how to tie a string to a wire and tape it. This guy goes overkill but you get the picture:

Starting with one cable at a time put them together to make a nice long smoothly tapered mess covered ina layer of tape so there are no sharp bumps to catch inside the wall as you pull. One person feeds and one applies steady pulling pressure. A little release and tug should get you past any random obstruction. If you have cross-bracing in the wall and you're stuck at one where a hole was drilled that's too small, well, that camera will come in handy.
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Can you remove some ceiling tiles and try looking down toward that junction box to see where itís snagged? Worst case scenario you could run an external rectangular cable conduit up the corner of the room, then thru the drop ceiling.

It mightíve gotten stuck because you donít have any art hanging up on the walls.
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Old 01-04-2021, 01:36 PM   #11173
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If it were me, I'd pull everything out of the wall, and pull two strings through with the speaker wire when it comes out. Tie one string off as an emergency back-up spare.
Then I'd prepare to pull it all back in. I'd google how to tie a string to a wire and tape it. This guy goes overkill but you get the picture:
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Starting with one cable at a time put them together to make a nice long smoothly tapered mess covered ina layer of tape so there are no sharp bumps to catch inside the wall as you pull. One person feeds and one applies steady pulling pressure. A little release and tug should get you past any random obstruction. If you have cross-bracing in the wall and you're stuck at one where a hole was drilled that's too small, well, that camera will come in handy.
I think that's what me and my buddy will try to do in a couple of weeks if he comes over.

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Can you remove some ceiling tiles and try looking down toward that junction box to see where itís snagged? Worst case scenario you could run an external rectangular cable conduit up the corner of the room, then thru the drop ceiling.

It mightíve gotten stuck because you donít have any art hanging up on the walls.
I looked, can't see anything other than the 2x4 that's attached to the wall and the insulation behind the drywall.
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Old 01-04-2021, 02:19 PM   #11174
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Thumbs up on that rope trick.
Maybe one day Ill need it when I install the Atmos speakers and lights in ceiling.
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Two loops and tape it, it won't come loose.
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