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05-04-2021, 02:03 PM | #51 |
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I wouldn't mind if it had zero additional horsepowers, just don't like the idea of a 3 popper. Seems like it would be awfully strung out to make 300hp.
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05-04-2021, 02:45 PM | #52 |
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At least the 3-cylinder sounds better than the majority of 4-cylinder engines.
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05-04-2021, 03:56 PM | #53 | |
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I'm skeptical cause a base Civic is fun to drive, unlike the Corolla, so Toyota needs to work some magic with the tuning of the steering and handling. I think it'll probably need the diffs to be as fun as the competition too. Do all that, and I'll buy one, I think it looks (not great) but very purposeful. And it's big enough to be a daily for me - the GR4 probably would have to be the garage toy. |
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05-04-2021, 03:57 PM | #54 |
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Listen to the sound of the 3 cylinder in the BMW i8 - 3 cylinders are awesome, even the Ford one sounds nice.
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05-04-2021, 04:03 PM | #55 |
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05-04-2021, 06:53 PM | #56 |
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You need to open yo mind craig
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05-04-2021, 07:46 PM | #57 | |
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The TNGA chassis is solid and feels like it can take so much more in suspension, tire grip, and power. Steering is precise. Fit and finish is excellent especially with the Premium trim I got. I’m actually very satisfied with the platform Toyota has with the Corolla. So, judging by the reviews of the Yaris... Getting that same GR treatment would solve that boring problem. But yes, it all hinges on the GR treatment carrying over. |
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05-04-2021, 07:49 PM | #58 |
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I liked my Corolla. Was great for not caring about it and getting in and driving.
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05-05-2021, 12:49 AM | #59 |
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Agreed! I could’ve sworn there were one or two of these blown up on YouTube already. This 3 popper with a possible 300-400lb deficit over the Yaris isn’t giving me the warm and fuzzies. Edit: Never mind, dude mis-shifted and over revved... |
05-05-2021, 07:35 AM | #60 |
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Oh I'm sure they'll make it through warranty, it's just what about after? When they do have problems will they be as big a pain in the ass as Ford's 3cyl? They could be fine, but 300hp is a fair amount of power out of something with three pistons.
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05-05-2021, 07:58 AM | #61 | |
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05-05-2021, 12:02 PM | #62 |
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Yeah I'm a fan of LSDs/magical power splitting too. I'm putting some faith in Toyota with this. Fingers crossed.
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05-05-2021, 02:52 PM | #63 |
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I don't know why people are getting hung up on it being 3 cylinders. The displacement of 1.6L isn't that small considering there's been plenty of 4 cylinder engines at the same or less displacement. MB is making over 400 hp out of 2.0L.
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05-05-2021, 03:41 PM | #64 |
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I was told there would be no kink shaming....
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05-05-2021, 05:06 PM | #65 |
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Because being new and different is bad of course
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05-05-2021, 05:17 PM | #66 |
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05-05-2021, 05:45 PM | #67 |
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I'll admit, nearly 300 hp from a 1.6L 3-pot may seem like much.
But, we have the PSA/BMW 1.6L 4-pot pushing 270 hp (Peugeot RCZ. now dearly departed...) and Renault/Nissan still pushes their 1.8L I4 to nearly 300 hp (Megane R.S. and Alpine A110). So, it *seems* like the each cylinder in the 3 pot will have to pick up and share the load of the missing 4th cylinder. But, when looking at the firing interval it's longer at 240 degrees vs 180 degrees for an I4. So, there's that extra 60 degree of crankshaft rotation for things to "rest" up before having to fire again. Just thinking out loud here. |
05-05-2021, 06:10 PM | #68 |
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05-05-2021, 06:11 PM | #69 | |
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And to my thinking, with only three cylinders, there is likely more torque available versus a four with the same displacement. No? |
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05-05-2021, 06:21 PM | #70 |
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05-05-2021, 07:56 PM | #71 |
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Youre a towel?
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05-05-2021, 09:09 PM | #72 | |
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Given the same overall displacement, the I3 has bigger/larger cylinders (given the choice, I'd go for extra stroke with correspondingly longer and stronger rods). I'm personally sold on I3s, I have driven a couple of Peugeot cars with their 1.2L turbo I3 and it's a feisty little engine. I find them very satisfying to drive even with a modest 128 hp output; surely way better than the previous 1.6L N/A they used before. |
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05-06-2021, 06:28 PM | #73 |
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Whoa, this is the first I've seen the NA version getting the AWD. Everywhere else has said we would see the engine and 6MT, but FWD so it lost it's excitement to me.
I've wanted to get back into Subaru for a while, but no hatch/wagon kept me away. I'm happy with my B8.5 S4 6MT for now and my next car was going to be a next gen STi or MK8 R, but if this Corolla GR looks this good, with ~300hp 6MT AWD, then I'm sold. Looks fantastic! Go figure, search Google for info, figure I'd randomly pop into NASIOC to see what's going on and find info on the car I couldn't find on Google lol. |
05-06-2021, 09:51 PM | #74 | |
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I am not a fan of the 3cyl thing partially because of the above, and partially because it is a horribly imbalanced engine layout. The imbalance requires a (heavier, on a per cylinder basis) counterbalance shaft which again increases rotational inertia. An inline 4cyl is not great in the balance arena, but it's better than the 3. The advantage of the 3cyl is packaging. Not my cup of tea though. Brandon |
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