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04-15-2021, 12:30 PM | #51 | |
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nasioc N&R followers, the 0.00000001% of the population, are somehow going to change the minds of the entire country? I like complaining too, but I don't think that my complaints mean jack **** aside from me venting. I'm strongly considering a "performance" SUV. Fight me. If I need to be in a boring SUV for life reasons, I at least want it to get out of it's own way. The highlander is decent, but I wouldn't mind a bit more get-up-and-go... sporty cars have little place in my life right now. I have a motorcycle, which is arguably a lot more fun than sporty cars, and a whole lot cheaper to own, maintain, insure, etc. So if I want a powerful SUV to drive like an asshat, I'm going to get one.
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04-15-2021, 12:44 PM | #52 |
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I'd love to drive a motorcycle, but I don't trust others enough.
Or, I don't trust myself enough. |
04-15-2021, 12:46 PM | #53 |
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04-15-2021, 12:51 PM | #54 | |
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Emotional attachment to the ideas of social norms and stigmas when choosing a vehicle also leads to a kind of hubris we see being thrown about. I don't think hubris on forums is much of a concern as is the hubris of auto manufacturers going all balls on one line of product making the choice for consumers by taking away certain products. Unmitigated hubris drives decisions for us as individual consumers in the name of profits and sales and all the rest. Marketing IS hubris. IMO, you're barking up the wrong tree Scrap. I think you are hearing something that isn't there and you'd likely agree on what it is actually being expressed but isn't clear enough because arguing. Chano, I trust that you don't trust others any more than you trust yourself. |
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04-15-2021, 01:22 PM | #55 |
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It's cagers for me; if I had a track closer (and like waay more free time than I do) I'd have a track only motorcycle, way safer going 100+ on a track with like minded individuals than riding on the street at legal speeds with a bunch of CUV driving morons with their faces stuffed in a phone.
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04-15-2021, 01:30 PM | #56 |
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I bought my wife a 20' Exploder ST back in October. Suv or not, it's an incredible DD and useful year round here in the Mitten.
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04-15-2021, 01:57 PM | #57 | |
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Car buying for most people has at least a 50% emotional component. Be it social norms, or family tradition, or you just watched a monster truck rally and want a truck. Who cares is my point. Do I like it when I see a huge jacked up dually rolling coal, no, I think its ridiculous, but not my money and not my issue. Hell if people want an EV for some crazy reason that is their business if they want the limitation and hassle. None of my business. I prefer to mock the vehicle not the human driving it in most cases. If that vehicle makes that person smile then heck, power to them. I will keep enjoying the conversation but laugh at all the folks who preach about what 'nobody needs' while we are on an AWD turbocharged compact performance sedan internet forum. The irony is rich. I am like a lot of people. I have two SUV's right now. Never thought I would be in this position, but you buy the car that will improve your quality of life the most. In my case, I enjoy taking my kids camping and fishing so an offroad capable SUV fits the bill. I can carry my two boys an the dog in relative comfort off the paved trail and if it rains or it gets bumpy, mud or debris will not concern me. Will a Minivan do that? Nope, but if I want to drive to disney land from Texas, you can bet I will consider renting a minivan as they are the best people movers ever. We have no idea what goes on in the head of others, and while it may be fun to try to understand it, we damn sure should not try to govern it. |
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04-15-2021, 05:45 PM | #58 |
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04-15-2021, 10:33 PM | #59 | |
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But actually safe as kittens in a rural environment. Cagers are so easy to pass they might as well be piloting tricycles. City riding, agree there, that's like jumping out of a plane with no parachute. Rural twisty riding is still Just have to avoid holidays and peak hours. Sunday AM is absolutely stunning. I refuse to let the mainstreamer idiots dictate my life. If there is one thing they are, is absolutely predictable. I will also never understand people who buy sporty type motorcycles to ride in the city or highway only. No twisties via rural, mountain, or canyons, and no track, go play golf or collect stamps. |
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04-15-2021, 10:54 PM | #60 | |
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Fixed that for you. Image, image, image. There aren't a lot of people like you, fishing, hitting a trail to get to a good camping spot away from people. They live in the city or suburb and their entire life revolves around consumerism. They also don't think for themselves and fall prey to marketing. In fact marketing and image dictates their entire lives. And what others are doing. Very few have the balls or the tattays to say F all that, I'm living my life and don't care what strangers think. Most are consumed with what strangers think and are completely insecure. You are reading comments from people who are automobile enthusiasts and just tired of it. Mainstreaming squares dictating for all. This eradicates choice in the marketplace. CUV's/SUV's dominate the entire automobile industry now. And due to that fact many models, body styles, etc, have been eradicated. Enthusiasts bagging, ribbing, complaining, whatever you want to call it, should be 100% expected. I would never buy a SUV, or a CUV. If that is capability I needed it'd be a Sprinter all spec'd out with a Diesel. And EV's are not a limitation for everyone. You have bagged on EV's for I don't know how many years on here, I mean to the point of it being a personal problem. So your comments on this subject are hypocritical. |
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04-16-2021, 10:22 AM | #61 | |
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I know how you view the world. You tell is with every single post in every thread. I just do not like the current crop of EV save for a few (The Rivian truck is pretty cool). That is my opinion and I am very much cool with that. Some will not agree with me (like you) and I am pretty ok with that as well. |
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04-16-2021, 11:29 AM | #62 | |
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You don't know dik man. Cuz some car internet forum comments? I don't like anyone who can't think for themselves and lets marketing and the herd think for them, that's it. Like people driving SUV's or full size trucks down the highway surfing on their phones at the same time. You should think for yourself and DIY. Herding is just not my thing and I will always bag on it. Idiots buying SUV's and the most that thing will ever do is sit in a drive thru for sammiches or Starbucks. I didn't know you needed a performance SUV for that. It's a fake, image based life, that people should wake up from. Screw the Joneses. Tell them to go f themselves. These are the same people that have such frail sensibilities they are unable to hear criticism, sound familiar? And the same people who think they are above say a minivan. You have denigrated EV drivers for so many years, especially Tesla drivers, slagging all them off as if they are complete narcissists who think they are saving the world with their noses in the air looking down on you. That's been your take say 1 million times in every EV thread in existence on here. New EV model thread, here he comes. Like I said, hypocritical. You haven't come to terms with S. Don't add lying to your resume to boot. Too many comments on here to prove otherwise. Malicious? If that were true I'd be out busting CUV/SUV windows with a Louisville slugger. Sounds like I hit a nerve and you have some insecurity going. Not losing sleep. What I said is true. You've got all these crackers buying CUV's/SUV's, ruining the car market for many people. It's not even enough to have one of them, people have 2 of them in the driveway/garage. I think they should hand out toasters and purple dildos when you buy one. |
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04-16-2021, 12:05 PM | #63 |
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Sprinter vans all crapped out are instagram image boasters too. They're all over. Clones on clones on clones. Off grid wannabes gentrifying urban housing across America.
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04-16-2021, 12:21 PM | #64 |
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I like a good internet slap fight as much as the next person, but this one is getting weird.
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04-16-2021, 12:23 PM | #65 |
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So did anyone hear that there's a RWD Explorer ST now?
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04-16-2021, 12:25 PM | #66 |
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I heard I can realistically get 1200 horsepowers from the FA24. So pump.
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04-16-2021, 01:18 PM | #67 | |
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04-16-2021, 01:34 PM | #68 |
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Welp its only internet hate. So maybe >10% of real hate.
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04-16-2021, 02:04 PM | #69 |
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Character bashing is pointless because most people don't act like they do in person as they are online. I try extremely hard to be consistent and most people are genuinely surprised to discover that consistency after meeting me in person. Lol
Regardless, I do agree that, if you have to have an SUV, then something with oomph is probably better than driving something that'll make you want to hang yourself. No Crosstrek for anyone in this thread. |
04-16-2021, 02:18 PM | #70 |
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That’s right. I’m 100% full hate all the time in real life. You are getting the best me on NASIOC.
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04-16-2021, 02:26 PM | #71 |
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04-16-2021, 05:32 PM | #72 |
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This thread went full derp.
Explorer ST: 0-60: 5.3s 60-0: 114 ft lateral accel: 0.85g wrx: 0-60: 5.6s 60-0: 110 ft lateral accel: 0.92g So, better turning. No brainer. But really, how many people are driving around and pulling 0.92g's out of their wrx on the streets? And lets not forget the difference in tires. Honestly, driven at max, the explorer st will probably outrun an average wrx driver. y'all are nuts to discount vehicles like this just because of their size. You seem to forget that while added weight does hurt in "feel", that added weight gives additional grip because available friction is based on how much something weighs... |
04-16-2021, 05:43 PM | #73 |
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when my forester XT (2014 touring with 50k as of now) dies if Subaru hasnt made another by then this is most likely my next SUV
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04-16-2021, 06:27 PM | #74 | |
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Coefficient of friction. However the extra mass laterally will easily overpower the tires as that frictional force also adds heat which ultimately reduces your friction factor Getting friction force high is good for traction but adding weight to get it is a misnomer. |
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04-16-2021, 08:01 PM | #75 | |
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Drive whatever you want to drive, you're the one paying for it, so who cares what anyone else thinks. However, regardless of how capable it is, I find the idea of spending $60k on a Ford Explorer to be absolutely nauseating. |
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