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02-18-2021, 08:31 AM | #1 | |
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Subaru WRX coming late 2021,STI turbo flagship also confirmed to be ‘slightly behind’
And long-awaited STI turbo flagship also confirmed to be ‘slightly behind’ with a 2022 launch
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02-18-2021, 08:34 AM | #2 | |
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Subaru WRX, BRZ arriving late 2021
https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...here-late-2021
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02-18-2021, 08:56 AM | #3 |
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This is exciting, I’m really hoping it’s close to the 300kW (402 hp) mark. Subaru really needs to knock the ball out of the park with this. Anyways this is some good news starting off my Thursday morning.
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02-18-2021, 09:40 AM | #4 |
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I could care less abut big power gains. If I get a WRX or STI new in the future, for me it needs to keep the charm of the existing car, manual transmission, affordable relative to other cars on the market anyway, solid performance. If the poster above had not put (402hp) in parenthesis I would not even know what 300kw means. I certainly don:t care. That much power in a street car is pretty stupid anyway. On track great but on street, I don:t care. I have enough power in my current WRX to have fun with it. I could auto cross it which I am considering but more power so what, just more tickets. I do think there room for a halo model like the s204 or whatever for more money and big power. Someone always wants a car with more, Subaru might as well make some money and take it from the Tuners. I personally think the WRX and STI are about right power and price wise. I can see giving the drive trains more refinement, I got a older WRX because in the current one I did not like the 1st 2nd shift that well, there were other reasons but I would like some things refined in that manner.
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02-18-2021, 09:49 AM | #5 |
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If you think the current wrx/sti have enough power you should drive a new Camry or accord. Youll be blown away.
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02-18-2021, 09:53 AM | #6 |
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The regular STI is not going to be 400hp. Since the first STI came out in the mid 90s, power output has only increased about 17%. To hit 400hp, that would be approximately a 30% increase from one generation to the next. I would realistically expect to see an increase of 5-10%, which will be great with the improved flexibility and power delivery of DI motors.
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02-18-2021, 10:32 AM | #7 |
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10:1 lb/hp, 6mt, mechanical diffs, wagon or hatch body, "acceptable" interior materials and I'm in; anything else and I'll pass.
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02-18-2021, 10:51 AM | #8 |
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I NEED! it to be a 5 door.
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02-18-2021, 11:10 AM | #9 |
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02-18-2021, 11:22 AM | #10 | |
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Really though, the Camry comparisons kill me. I have a buddy who was a little twig growing up, now he's 6'1", 190lbs, model athletic build. If someone points out that we look similar, should I be offended? |
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02-18-2021, 11:51 AM | #11 |
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We are more interested in the rumored hatch collaboration Mr. Australian Booby executive. That's because Booby f'd many of us in 2014 when the VA was announced. That was almost 7 years ago. Still no hatch.
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02-18-2021, 12:32 PM | #12 |
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Subie, you out there?? I need that STi hatch back in my life!!! Please.
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02-18-2021, 01:49 PM | #13 |
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I don:t care how much power the Camry and accord make, they are big front drive cars. They are not even comparable shopping points for me personally. The charm of the WRX or STI is they are all wheel drive with a flat 4. To me they feel more dynamic than a traditional front drive and I know in bad weather my subaru is better than a front drive car. I had Honda's for years before I switched to an Impreza and I like the driving feel and dynamics much better than the front drive Honda's I had. The only reason I would shop Camry and Accord is if I wanted a super frugal big hybrid sedan. Since then I have switched to a WRX, and I would not shop a Camry or Accord against my car. I have a passing thought to getting a used V-6 Accord Coup with manual but in the end decided I would wrather have the WRX.
To me if you are comparing Accord and Camry, you compare to the Legacy not the WRX. The WRX, Impreza, Civic, Civic SI, Civic Type R, and Corolla are comparable all to one degree or another. Especially since the WRX is a direct descendant of the last generation Impreza. Last edited by cbk57; 02-18-2021 at 02:27 PM. |
02-18-2021, 02:42 PM | #14 | |
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Unfortunately, I think my WRX is the slowest of the three off the line. Once you get going the WRX is more fun than the Accord; less fun than the Civic. The Civic beats the WRX just about everywhere. The Accord is very close. In snow, both the Accord and the Civic are very good, but the WRX is just a bit better. For me, a WRX with 300-ish HP and a 6MT would be very attractive. Although, a 400 HP STI ... |
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02-18-2021, 03:37 PM | #15 |
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I can't see a non-hybrid 400 hp STI. Only one automaker has crossed that threshold with a 4-cylinder and it's using a ball bearing turbo, dual DI and port injection, cylinder lining from their F1 cars, two radiators, etc. I simply don't see how Subaru could turn an FA24 into this;
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-engine-specs/ If it was easy to mass produce 4-cylinder engines of this power level automakers with more expertise at designing and building engines like VAG, Ford or Honda would have already done it but as you can see by what MB had to do it's extremely costly to build a 4-cylinder engine at these power levels and maintain acceptable reliability to make it last for the warranty period. There is simply no way Subaru can build that and maintain the current price point as this engine would be extremely expensive to build. |
02-18-2021, 03:48 PM | #16 |
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if subaru doesn't produce another STI hatch the new Golf R will start looking real good
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02-18-2021, 03:56 PM | #17 | |
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Laggier response would be somewhat forgivable if the Subaru engines were significantly more powerful, but they are not. Last edited by dcsti; 02-18-2021 at 04:18 PM. |
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02-18-2021, 04:30 PM | #18 |
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02-18-2021, 04:39 PM | #19 |
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"Any fool can go fast in a straight line"
- SubieGal Seriously, if you only care about horsepower knock yourself out with a modern V6 powered Japanese/Korean appliance car. Or even better yet, a mustang! |
02-18-2021, 04:51 PM | #20 |
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300 hp and CVT in a fat sedan COWABUNGA AWESOME MAXIMA BRUH
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02-18-2021, 05:15 PM | #21 |
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If you don't care about horsepower the BRZ is the Subaru to get as it offers a more pure driving experience than it's understeering AWD siblings.
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02-18-2021, 05:46 PM | #22 | |
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02-18-2021, 05:48 PM | #23 |
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02-18-2021, 06:07 PM | #24 |
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02-18-2021, 07:07 PM | #25 |
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