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12-11-2020, 11:14 AM | #1 |
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possible CY21 WRX and CY22 STI
https://creative311.com/?p=108259 Now that the kbow the 2022 wrx and STI are not yet ready and supposedly have one more year to go, I believe this thread for the next generation is appropriate
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12-11-2020, 12:54 PM | #2 |
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...oundaries/amp/
this article says the same thing which leads to a question. with all the extra time to work on them, will they surprise us with something we were never expecting. did it give them more time to fine tune the new motors, did it give them time to finish development on a different body. the STI got more than enough development time. will it pay off for us |
12-11-2020, 12:58 PM | #3 | |
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Has this guy been living under a rock? I looked hoping this was a couple month old article. But it's today? Someone forward him the spy shots. |
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12-11-2020, 02:24 PM | #4 |
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I hear you there justy. At this point the spyshots we have don't show much deviation from the current wrx. all of the changes will be under the skin and in the power department. the extended timetable gives us more opportunity to get even better spyshots of the interior and see what extra parts will be on the STI. shame the active aero wing from the gymkhana STI won't be there though. did the extended time give subaru time make a unique automatic for the STI
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12-11-2020, 03:18 PM | #5 |
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Could the STI move to the STI brand? All that effort to create the STI as a manufacturer for the S209 seems like a waste as there's nothing else in the pipeline for the branding.
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12-11-2020, 03:58 PM | #6 |
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12-11-2020, 05:07 PM | #7 |
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the last pic, the roof looks like one of those glass moon-roofs that some high end cars have lol
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12-11-2020, 05:55 PM | #8 |
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12-11-2020, 08:16 PM | #9 |
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If they were to do that, I would imagine the 2022 BRZ being added to the brand. but subaru would need the go ahead from toyota to do that. toyota makes a TRD version, Subaru makes the STI version. both TRD and STI can prove it does not need the turbo tobe tuned and upgraded to be sweet rides.
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12-11-2020, 10:12 PM | #10 |
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12-11-2020, 11:14 PM | #11 |
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Oh wow, that looks very innovative and unique
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12-12-2020, 12:50 PM | #12 |
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Or it could be just a black car that they didn't camo the roof.
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12-12-2020, 01:10 PM | #13 | |
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I'm still curious about the partnership and who says no to who. Subaru builds the car and it's far more Subaru in engineering than Toyota(at least the first gen); and, we know Subaru already said no to Toyota when it came to the convertible. Sooo, who has more control? If there is a "more" control. And, with this newer body, CAN there be a convertible? Sorry. Off topic. I wasn't paying attention to the thread and just responded to the post. |
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12-12-2020, 01:53 PM | #14 | |
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But getting back on topic, the first teasers should relatively soon. Is there a possible subaru event early next year they can use to show a sneak peak of the new car to the select few at an event before SOA shows an official teaser? |
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12-12-2020, 05:08 PM | #15 |
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I hope the delay bodes well for us. I'm not holding my breath though.
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12-13-2020, 11:06 AM | #16 |
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Nice thing about the camouflage is that it covers up the SUV wheel arches and makes it look like a normal car.
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12-13-2020, 12:45 PM | #17 |
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there is possibility that the new wrx will stick by their cvt since the torque increase is in the manageable limits of the existing cvt. however is it possible they are working with Toyota to produce a new automatic transmission for both the wrx and STI. or will the extra time allow for subaru to make only a unique 6-speed automatic for the STI only and leave the cvt in the wrx. Also the wicked big meet was postponed to next year, possible event to have the new wrx teased for the fans
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12-13-2020, 01:50 PM | #18 |
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If Toyota is bringing back the Celica, then I could see it.
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12-13-2020, 05:14 PM | #19 | |
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Yeah, me too. The WRX/STI sales have been pretty strong for the VA generation...hopefully they improve it significantly. Really just want more power, and for the front end to be nailed down and responsive. Same thing everyone has been asking for since the beginning of time |
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12-13-2020, 05:39 PM | #20 |
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My first car ever was a 7th gen (2000) Toyota Celica. It was a fun car but I don't know if there's a spot for it in their current lineup. In many ways the 86 twins already provide what the most recent Celica did: two doors, lightweight, nice handling, while having OK-ish power to still feel sporty to most people but not enough power to actually get you into any trouble on the street. The biggest differences are the drive wheels and the form factor (liftback vs. coupe).
The Celica had enough potential to become a capable car for track days or AutoX and had good aftermarket support at the time, but it was also a huge hit with "regular" / non-car people. A lot of people who drove them were kids who just graduated and wanted a car that "seems" fast and cool, or older working professionals who wanted something with more excitement than an econobox for their daily commutes. An automatic transmission was available for both trims and in all my years of owning that car, I saw way more automatic examples driven by the types of peeps I just mentioned than I did manual ones driven by enthusiast types. Now that the 86 twins have been around I see a lot of parallels with the Celica as far as the types of people who buy and drive those things. There is a much bigger aftermarket for the 86 twins and more enthusiasts driving them, but there are still quite a lot of regular folks driving them as well. I don't know how a new Celica would slot into the lineup without cannibalizing too much of the Toyobaru twins sales, unless they want to revive the Celica Alltrac/GT-4 which was their turbo AWD rally-bred variant, to serve as a direct competitor to the STi. |
12-13-2020, 06:00 PM | #21 |
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12-13-2020, 06:02 PM | #22 |
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I would be all onboard that hype train. That thing was one of my favorite cars as a kid, especially in the classic Castrol livery. But I don't know if it would happen because a car like that wouldn't sell in enough numbers on its own to make financial sense, they'd have to also make garden-variety/neutered Celicas to share the platform and costs with, and those would have a lot of overlap with the twins as I mentioned.
Or they can tap Subaru for the platform and underpinnings and slap a Celica badge on it, the same way they tapped BMW for the Supra |
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12-13-2020, 09:10 PM | #24 | |
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Selling an STI with an automatic could just be "blamed" on Toyota for introducing it. I don't think it would blemish the STI at all, as long as there's still a manual option. Subaru isn't going to make a one-off automatic just for the STI, and I don't know if they can make an HTCVT that would please anyone if not everyone. Personally, I like the CVT, but I hate the preprogrammed fake gear shifts. They shouldn't be there. I really liked the 2012 Impreza CVT when it first came out because it felt like a tiny, puny turbo continuously spooling and carrying the car along. To some degree it still feels like that in my current Impreza, but the shifts are really safe when the car's left in regular Drive mode. It feels better than a traditional automatic, but if they aren't going to put a nice ZF in the STI/Celica, I don't want it at all. Last edited by chanomatik; 12-14-2020 at 05:52 AM. |
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12-13-2020, 09:41 PM | #25 | |
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Likewise your complaint, there's no reason they can set the SI drive to shut off fake shifts for example in I or S mode, and then have fake shifts on S#, or better yet give driver control in all modes with a switch, onscreen or actual. It's getting Subaru to listen to what drivers (buyers) want, not focus groups (see Toyota Supra Autotragicly) |
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