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Old 05-06-2021, 01:26 AM   #4951
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Spit into a kid's mouth? I think any parent would try to land some shots, air marshals be damned.
It was probably more of a "PLEDGE PIN!!!!"situation, not some maniac just spitting in a baby's mouth while his wife held it.
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And you....you....you have....you have CAMEL TOE WHEN YOU SQUAT


****ing child. Are dick function jokes supposed to irk me or something?
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Old 05-06-2021, 01:34 AM   #4953
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He wasn't joking - he really hopes you get COVID and then get ED from it, if you don't just die. Good thing for him he has freedom to do that because you are squashing his Liberty by threatening his security. Isn't making sure people are actually secure based, not on their personal assessment, but as a security expert? Do clients ever tell you that you are being ridiculous, and are terrible at your profession?

So you are actively threatening each and every American Citizen's security and there for denying them Liberty, and it just proves you actually hate America and everything it, and we, stand for.
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Old 05-06-2021, 05:35 AM   #4954
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i disagree with poison for the most part on his vax position, but he is 100% correct that it's past due the time to open back up. anyone that hasn't been vaccinated at this point doesn't want it. i'd imagine the only people left that are for the lockdowns are the low wage earners that are making more off unemployment than their job. if you are that scared or vulnerable then lock yourself in your basement.
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Old 05-06-2021, 08:11 AM   #4955
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i disagree with poison for the most part on his vax position, but he is 100% correct that it's past due the time to open back up. anyone that hasn't been vaccinated at this point doesn't want it. i'd imagine the only people left that are for the lockdowns are the low wage earners that are making more off unemployment than their job. if you are that scared or vulnerable then lock yourself in your basement.
I find this line of reasoning fascinating. We're basically at the point where if folks want to be vaxxed (and therefore protected) they have the ability to do so. If folks are choosing not to, at what point do we stop trying to protect them?

Case in point, I get pfizer #2 Saturday. Since we've been good little hermits for the past 14 months and will be protected I'm firmly in the "**** everyone else" camp now. We're going to Cancun in July.
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Old 05-06-2021, 08:29 AM   #4956
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i disagree with poison for the most part on his vax position, but he is 100% correct that it's past due the time to open back up. anyone that hasn't been vaccinated at this point doesn't want it. i'd imagine the only people left that are for the lockdowns are the low wage earners that are making more off unemployment than their job. if you are that scared or vulnerable then lock yourself in your basement.
My state announced they are shutting down all state run vax site by May 21st and removing all state government mandated covid limitations.

Businesses are at liberty to set their own requirements for customers and employees unless the local government keeps additional limits in place (which the Governor vigorously fought tooth and nail against last year...how dare local officials with unique knowledge of their constituent health situation put *more* covid limitations! )

But I think you are right that the decision has been made that anyone who wanted a vaccine to protect themselves has had ample opportunity to obtain it, so time to open things back up.
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Old 05-06-2021, 08:50 AM   #4957
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I find this line of reasoning fascinating. We're basically at the point where if folks want to be vaxxed (and therefore protected) they have the ability to do so. If folks are choosing not to, at what point do we stop trying to protect them?

Case in point, I get pfizer #2 Saturday. Since we've been good little hermits for the past 14 months and will be protected I'm firmly in the "**** everyone else" camp now. We're going to Cancun in July.
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My state announced they are shutting down all state run vax site by May 21st and removing all state government mandated covid limitations.

Businesses are at liberty to set their own requirements for customers and employees unless the local government keeps additional limits in place (which the Governor vigorously fought tooth and nail against last year...how dare local officials with unique knowledge of their constituent health situation put *more* covid limitations! )

But I think you are right that the decision has been made that anyone who wanted a vaccine to protect themselves has had ample opportunity to obtain it, so time to open things back up.
Not sure how much it varies by state, but in my state, vaccines have been open to people between 16 and 50 for about 3 weeks now. I wouldn't say we're quite at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine has had a chance to get it now. Maybe by the end of May/middle of June we'll be in that boat.

I do agree that it's time to open up again, but I think it's still a little early to conclude that anyone who isn't fully vaccinated yet just doesn't want it.
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Old 05-06-2021, 09:07 AM   #4958
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Not sure how much it varies by state, but in my state, vaccines have been open to people between 16 and 50 for about 3 weeks now. I wouldn't say we're quite at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine has had a chance to get it now. Maybe by the end of May/middle of June we'll be in that boat.

I do agree that it's time to open up again, but I think it's still a little early to conclude that anyone who isn't fully vaccinated yet just doesn't want it.
maybe not there just yet but... opening up vax to 12 year olds on up here. Certainly by mid-late summer though...
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Old 05-06-2021, 09:19 AM   #4959
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He wasn't joking - he really hopes you get COVID and then get ED from it, if you don't just die. Good thing for him he has freedom to do that because you are squashing his Liberty by threatening his security. Isn't making sure people are actually secure based, not on their personal assessment, but as a security expert? Do clients ever tell you that you are being ridiculous, and are terrible at your profession?
No, because I'm not. What I understand better than most here, is seems, is risk assessment, the interplay between 'safety' and 'comfort/convenience/enjoyment', and that is NOT 'one size fits all'. If it was up to me, I'd lock clients in a bunker and never let them out: LOOK, 100% secure! My job is done! But that's no way to live, and so my job is helping clients find a balance.

You've chosen your balance, your comfort level throughout this, as you should. The problem is you've tried to force me to live in your bunker with you, and I'm not ok with that.

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So you are actively threatening each and every American Citizen's security and there for denying them Liberty, and it just proves you actually hate America and everything it, and we, stand for.
Did you actually wring your hands while you typed that? History is not going to be kind to the implementors of this catastrophe, indeed it's already pulling hard at the edges, and it's already unraveling. We will know soon enough who actually wants Amnerica to suffer. I don't believe you do, but you cetainly were scared into supporting those who do.
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Old 05-06-2021, 09:23 AM   #4960
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maybe not there just yet but... opening up vax to 12 year olds on up here. Certainly by mid-late summer though...
1) kids don't need it. As Fauci said, the risk groups are well defined, and kids are not one.

2) it's NOT approved for or studied in kids

3) LA vaccines are open to 16 and up, no appointment, no pay, no nothing. Walk up and get the shot, all day long.


Since, as people have said here multiple times, it's 99.x% effective, non-vaxxers are not a risk to vaxxers. Time to **** and get on with it.

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Old 05-06-2021, 09:31 AM   #4961
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So why won't you get the vaccine?

You have to wear a mask in a hot miserable workplace and many of your coworkers have gotten sick.

I literally do not understand your logic here.
They're making us wear masks regardless.
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Old 05-06-2021, 09:36 AM   #4962
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Even the liberal Atlantic is calling you all out.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ckdown/618780/

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Progressive communities have been home to some of the fiercest battles over COVID-19 policies, and some liberal policy makers have left scientific evidence behind.


Lurking among the jubilant americans venturing back out to bars and planning their summer-wedding travel is a different group: liberals who aren't quite ready to let go of pandemic restrictions. For this subset, diligence against COVID-19 remains an expression of political identity-even when that means overestimating the disease's risks or setting limits far more strict than what public-health guidelines permit. In surveys, Democrats express more worry about the pandemic than Republicans do. People who describe themselves as "very liberal" are distinctly anxious. This spring, after the vaccine rollout had started, a third of very liberal people were "very concerned" about becoming seriously ill from COVID-19, compared with a quarter of both liberals and moderates, according to a study conducted by the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington. And 43 percent of very liberal respondents believed that getting the coronavirus would have a "very bad" effect on their life, compared with a third of liberals and moderates.

Last year, when the pandemic was raging and scientists and public-health officials were still trying to understand how the virus spread, extreme care was warranted. People all over the country made enormous sacrifices-rescheduling weddings, missing funerals, canceling graduations, avoiding the family members they love-to protect others. Some conservatives refused to wear masks or stay home, because of skepticism about the severity of the disease or a refusal to give up their freedoms. But this is a different story, about progressives who stressed the scientific evidence, and then veered away from it.


For many progressives, extreme vigilance was in part about opposing Donald Trump. Some of this reaction was born of deeply felt frustration with how he handled the pandemic. It could also be knee-jerk. "If he said, ***8216;Keep schools open,' then, well, we're going to do everything in our power to keep schools closed," Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at UC San Francisco, told me. Gandhi describes herself as "left of left," but has alienated some of her ideological peers because she has advocated for policies such as reopening schools and establishing a clear timeline for the end of mask mandates. "We went the other way, in an extreme way, against Trump's politicization," Gandhi said. Geography and personality may have also contributed to progressives' caution: Some of the most liberal parts of the country are places where the pandemic hit especially hard, and Hetherington found that the very liberal participants in his survey tended to be the most neurotic.....
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Old 05-06-2021, 09:38 AM   #4963
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i disagree with poison for the most part on his vax position, but he is 100% correct that it's past due the time to open back up. anyone that hasn't been vaccinated at this point doesn't want it. i'd imagine the only people left that are for the lockdowns are the low wage earners that are making more off unemployment than their job. if you are that scared or vulnerable then lock yourself in your basement.
Past due time? Do you have numbers to back up such a strong assertion? I mean, I would want to look at vaccination rate: is it going down?, holding steady? And what are the local numbers? Have people with mobility issues been covered?, was there a sufficient spread of vaccination clinics to cover the population?, etc. And what about the children?
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It probably depends on where you live right now but everywhere in the USA should be 60% vaccine covered by mid summer and if you don't want to get the vaccine then you can get the virus and die for all I care. A few people who did the right thing may go with them but its a small price to pay for weeding out a 100k morons.
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But vigilance can have unintended consequences when it imposes on other people's lives. Even as scientific knowledge of COVID-19 has increased, some progressives have continued to embrace policies and behaviors that aren't supported by evidence, such as banning access to playgrounds, closing beaches, and refusing to reopen schools for in-person learning.

Even as the very effective covid-19 vaccines have become widely accessible, many progressives continue to listen to voices preaching caution over relaxation. Anthony Fauci recently said he wouldn't travel or eat at restaurants even though he's fully vaccinated, despite CDC guidance that these activities can be safe for vaccinated people who take precautions. California Governor Gavin Newsom refused in April to guarantee that the state's schools would fully reopen in the fall, even though studies have demonstrated for months that modified in-person instruction is safe. Leaders in Brookline, Massachusetts, decided this week to keep a local outdoor mask mandate in place, even though the CDC recently relaxed its guidance for outdoor mask use. And scolding is still a popular pastime. "At least in San Francisco, a lot of people are glaring at each other if they don't wear masks outside," Gandhi said, even though the risk of outdoor transmission is very low.

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Months slipped by, and evidence mounted that schools could reopen safely. In Somerville, a local leader appeared to describe parents who wanted a faster return to in-person instruction as "****ing white parents" in a virtual public meeting; a community member accused the group of mothers advocating for schools to reopen of being motivated by white supremacy. "I spent four years fighting Trump because he was so anti-science," Daniele Lantagne, a Somerville mom and engineering professor who works to promote equitable access to clean water and sanitation during disease outbreaks, told me. "I spent the last year fighting people who I normally would agree with ***8230; desperately trying to inject science into school reopening, and completely failed."
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It probably depends on where you live right now but everywhere in the USA should be 60% vaccine covered by mid summer and if you don't want to get the vaccine then you can get the virus and die for all I care. A few people who did the right thing may go with them but its a small price to pay for weeding out a 100k morons.
And how many of the 40% remaining have natural immunity from prior infection?
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Even the liberal Atlantic is calling you all out.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ckdown/618780/



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It probably depends on where you live right now but everywhere in the USA should be 60% vaccine covered by mid summer and if you don't want to get the vaccine then you can get the virus and die for all I care. A few people who did the right thing may go with them but its a small price to pay for weeding out a 100k morons.
Well, as son to an elderly mother who is wheelchair bound and hasn't been able to get a vaccine yet despite trying for months, thanks for that. She's had her appointments cancelled 3 different times now, the last one due to a hospital stay.

As husband to a pregnant wife with a high-risk pregnancy who's specialist doctors told her to wait until just a week or so ago and we're both only half way through as a result, thanks for that.

As someone who will be father to a newborn who can't be vaccinated soon, thanks yet again.

Maybe listen to the CDC and not be a piece of ****? Go weed yourself out instead.
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A leading conspiracy theorist who thought COVID-19 was a hoax died from the virus after hosting illegal house parties

A Norwegian COVID-19 denier, who threw illegal gatherings, has died from the virus, officials said.

Hans Kristian Gaarder, 60, died days after holding two illegal parties on his property.

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I find this line of reasoning fascinating. We're basically at the point where if folks want to be vaxxed (and therefore protected) they have the ability to do so. If folks are choosing not to, at what point do we stop trying to protect them?

Case in point, I get pfizer #2 Saturday. Since we've been good little hermits for the past 14 months and will be protected I'm firmly in the "**** everyone else" camp now. We're going to Cancun in July.
Because there are more than two groups here (those that get the vaccine and those that choose not to).

There are immunocompromised people for whom the vaccine is much less effective.

There are people who are unable to get the vaccine due to other issues, leaving them at risk.

There are fully vaccinated healthy people who can still suffer breakthrough infections from COVID that injure or kill them.


No one here is saying "LOCKDOWNS FOREVER, STAY INSIDE!" We are all, to the last man, looking to get back out there and have fun and live life and do stuff. In order to do that, we're trying to take the sensible precautions to protect ourselves and others.

This is a virus.

When you choose not to get vaccinated, you risk more than your own health. You increase the risk to the health of those around you whom you might infect.

When you choose to speed and drive recklessly, you risk more than your own health. Otherwise we'd be all for letting each of you drive your ass off all the time!

Get the ****ing shots.
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The only thing that I got out of that article was that there's a subset of "very liberal" population that are still overly cautious after vacinication...and? Exactly how does this article "call us out" as coffee idiot claims to. People don't want to go out after getting vaccinated, ok so what? That's on them. My wife and I have been going out/ flying since we both got vaccinated, but we both believe in wearing masks, social distancing, and the general science behind it all. So tell me again how the house of cards are crumbling?

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Well, as son to an elderly mother who is wheelchair bound and hasn't been able to get a vaccine yet despite trying for months, thanks for that. She's had her appointments cancelled 3 different times now, the last one due to a hospital stay.

As husband to a pregnant wife with a high-risk pregnancy who's specialist doctors told her to wait until just a week or so ago and we're both only half way through as a result, thanks for that.

As someone who will be father to a newborn who can't be vaccinated soon, thanks yet again.

Maybe listen to the CDC and not be a piece of ****? Go weed yourself out instead.
I'm sure xeno isn't calling your family out specifically. Of course there are eventuating circumstances on why some can't get the vaccine. I'm sure he was referring to people who out right refuse to get the vaccine based on facebook science.
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Because there are more than two groups here (those that get the vaccine and those that choose not to).

There are immunocompromised people for whom the vaccine is much less effective.

There are people who are unable to get the vaccine due to other issues, leaving them at risk.

There are fully vaccinated healthy people who can still suffer breakthrough infections from COVID that injure or kill them.


No one here is saying "LOCKDOWNS FOREVER, STAY INSIDE!" We are all, to the last man, looking to get back out there and have fun and live life and do stuff. In order to do that, we're trying to take the sensible precautions to protect ourselves and others.

This is a virus.

When you choose not to get vaccinated, you risk more than your own health. You increase the risk to the health of those around you whom you might infect.

When you choose to speed and drive recklessly, you risk more than your own health. Otherwise we'd be all for letting each of you drive your ass off all the time!

Get the ****ing shots.
and here's the thing, those top three things will always be in place and the data I'm seeing is suggesting that herd immunity might be a pipe dream. At what point do you throw in the towel? We have to throw in the towel someday. Personally I'm throwing in the towel after my second dose.
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I'm sure xeno isn't calling your family out specifically. Of course there are eventuating circumstances on why some can't get the vaccine. I'm sure he was referring to people who out right refuse to get the vaccine based on facebook science.
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A few people who did the right thing may go with them but its a small price to pay for weeding out a 100k morons.
All you need to do is wear a damn mask and be careful. The assumption that everyone who plans to get a vaccine has had the opportunity is simply not true. It's going to take at least some more months. Yeah, there are places where demand is lower than supply, but there are also a lot of places that isn't true.

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and here's the thing, those top three things will always be in place and the data I'm seeing is suggesting that herd immunity might be a pipe dream. At what point do you throw in the towel? We have to throw in the towel someday. Personally I'm throwing in the towel after my second dose.
Why do we have to throw in the towel? Wear a mask if you're in a space with other people. Wash your hands. Stay home if you have symptoms.

This isn't that hard.

"Throwing in the towel" also makes some long term assumptions about viruses that aren't good assumptions, like you won't create the perfect environment for a variant that is more lethal and isn't protected by the vaccine and previous infection. And that you're allowing it to already be circulating in your community upon creation. You know - exactly what experts had been saying was going to happen with this before it did, that we all ignored.

If we can stop community spread without reaching herd immunity numbers, great. But we for sure aren't there yet.
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The only thing that I got out of that article was that there's a subset of "very liberal" population that are still overly cautious after vacinication...and? Exactly how does this article "call us out" as coffee idiot claims to. People don't want to go out after getting vaccinated, ok so what? That's on them. My wife and I have been going out/ flying since we both got vaccinated, but we both believe in wearing masks, social distancing, and the general science behind it all. So tell me again how the house of cards are crumbling?
Because he doesn't understand the various levels of political ideology.
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just going to tell it like it is, I don't think I care enough about humanity. I've done what I can. Tank is empty.
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