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Old 08-29-2015, 05:09 PM   #1
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Default Broken pitch stop firewall mount...

As the title says. Been feeling a clunk lately while shifting. Thought it may be the differential clunk that comes typically in these cars. Ran out real quick and popped the inter cooler off to inspect the pitch stop. Damn thing has broken all the welds and there is actual metal split in half. Another user here had the same issue but couldn't find the thread. Any thoughts? I know, take it to the dealer. I ask because it looks to be quite the task to replace.

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Old 08-29-2015, 06:18 PM   #2
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Old 08-29-2015, 06:31 PM   #3
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Looks like the aftermarket pitch stops are too rigid. I've been considering buying one but now I'm definitely going to take a look at this mounting point and see if there is anyway to reinforce it or get some more weld in there.
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Old 08-29-2015, 06:35 PM   #4
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Not sure if you can tell from the pic, the left side is actually broken... As in the metal snapped in half. No amount of welding is going to help that. It is probably safe to assume that ALL of the mounts should be upgraded at the same time rather than piece by piece. Strengthen one to make the weak point another. I am just curious how much work this is going to take to fix/ correct.
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Old 08-29-2015, 07:26 PM   #5
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This was my concern originally and why I went with the group n pitch mount instead of the overkill ones from perrin, torque solutions, beatrush ... and pretty much every other aftermarket company because everybody makes these You can try contacting Laile/Beatrush, but they are over the ocean, language barrier and I doubt they provide any kind of warranty especially for a gaijin

Do you have any other aftermarket drivetrain mounts/bushings? How long have you had that part installed? That may indicate how many people will soon have this issue because that is a very popular part.
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Old 08-29-2015, 07:37 PM   #6
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No other mounts except the Beatrush. Yea, wasn't even going to bother going the route of contacting them. Aftermarket parts are pretty much install at own risk. It does exactly what it is supposed to. I am going to take it in to Subaru. I've got a few "friends/enthusiasts" I know you that work for them including a service advisor. It has been installed for about 2 months now and 1500 miles of driving.

I agree, it could become an epidemic at some point. Lot of stage 2's running around with them. I searched and searched but couldn't find the other thread about a guy that just purchased either a 15 or 16 all stock same exact issue. Metal cracked and entire mount had moved from the firewall. It came from the dealer that way if I remember correctly.
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Old 08-29-2015, 07:48 PM   #7
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Wow that's crazy :0 just about to order one.

Did you notice the new clanking after some spirited driving?
Is the mount to the firewall just flimsy?
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Old 08-29-2015, 07:54 PM   #8
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It's more of a thud and only when shifting spiritedly.

Yea, it would appear that the mount on the firewall is a tad on the flimsy side. Ha ha. Apparently Subarus have been notorious for bad welds on earlier models. The metal splitting in half could be so many different things.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:14 PM   #9
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this is on a 2015? lets us know how it works out for you.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:29 PM   #10
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Yea, 2015. Just scheduled my appointment for Tuesday.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:31 PM   #11
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This is EXACTLY the reason I'm not buying an aftermarket pitch stop. It simply transfers too much force to the chassis due to the rigidity of the mount whereas the stock one will break way before... this happens.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:39 PM   #12
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I need to find that thread with the stock one that did the exact same thing. I would be amazed if the only one that this has happened to.
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:14 PM   #13
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I was picking up parts at a local dealer several months ago and saw a 15 on their lift. I asked the service manager what it was in for and he explained that the firewall pitch stop mount had failed and subaru had sent engineers to have a look at the car. It was modded and was going to be covered under warranty. Apparently subaru is aware that this is an issue.
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:14 PM   #14
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Jesus....Weld failed...No way that should happen.
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:16 PM   #15
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this just proves to me that FHI has a REAL PROBLEM with the design and execution of their body structure in general and the firewall in particular

I HOPE SOMEBODY AT FHI IS LOOKING AT THIS AS BEING THE REAL PROBLEM THAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

this kind of cheezy BS with firewall welds failing tells ME that there is no way in HELL im buying one of these matchbox POS cars again.

you GOTTA BE KIDDING

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THIS IS A MULTIPLE WELD FAILURE
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:21 PM   #16
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this just proves to me that FHI has a REAL PROBLEM with the design and execution of their body structure in general and the firewall in particular

I HOPE SOMEBODY AT FHI IS LOOKING AT THIS AS BEING THE REAL PROBLEM THAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

this kind of cheezy BS with firewall welds failing tells ME that there is no way in HELL im buying one of these matchbox POS cars again.

you GOTTA BE KIDDING



weldS

WELDS

THIS IS A MULTIPLE WELD FAILURE
yea yea ... lazy typing..
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:41 PM   #17
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I was picking up parts at a local dealer several months ago and saw a 15 on their lift. I asked the service manager what it was in for and he explained that the firewall pitch stop mount had failed and subaru had sent engineers to have a look at the car. It was modded and was going to be covered under warranty. Apparently subaru is aware that this is an issue.
Thanks for the info... A good and bad thing. I was a little put off also when I removed the intercooler. The damn steel is literally snapped in half.
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:50 PM   #18
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this just proves to me that FHI has a REAL PROBLEM with the design and execution of their body structure in general and the firewall in particular

I HOPE SOMEBODY AT FHI IS LOOKING AT THIS AS BEING THE REAL PROBLEM THAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

this kind of cheezy BS with firewall welds failing tells ME that there is no way in HELL im buying one of these matchbox POS cars again.

you GOTTA BE KIDDING



weldS

WELDS

THIS IS A MULTIPLE WELD FAILURE
LOL. Google image "BMW subframe tear". This stuff is peanuts compared to that issue that afflicted cars 2 and 3 times as expensive as this one. So we have pitch stop mounts ripping from firewalls in 2015+ models, largely those running hardened and rigid pitch stop mounts. Then there's pedal assembly spot weld failures in some 2008-2010 WRXs, mostly those running heavy aftermarket clutches.

What other weld issues are you so terribly concerned about?

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Old 08-29-2015, 10:52 PM   #19
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Looking at the picture, it does not appear that the actual welds broke but rather the metal. Certainly this shouldn't be happening but some bad metal on a car is a little better than a improperly engineered chassis.. I guess.

Will be interesting to see how they handle this. Even with the aftermarket part, I would not be surprised to see a fix due to the safety concerns..
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:57 PM   #20
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My pictures aren't the greatest. There are definitely busted welds along with the actual metal. I would assume the welds snapped then the metal.

As stated though, it will get repaired one way or another.
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LOL. Google image "BMW subframe tear". This stuff is peanuts compared to that issue that afflicted cars 2 and 3 times as expensive as this one. So we have pitch stop mounts ripping from firewalls in 2015+ models, largely those running hardened and rigid pitch stop mounts. Then there's pedal assembly spot weld failures in some 2008-2010 WRXs, mostly those running heavy aftermarket clutches.

What other weld issues are you so terribly concerned about?


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Old 08-30-2015, 12:57 AM   #22
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I guess there's a market for pitch stop brace's the same way there was/is a market for master cylinder braces in previous gen wrx's
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I guess there's a market for pitch stop brace's the same way there was/is a market for master cylinder braces in previous gen wrx's

no...this issue isn't the same kind of thing.....but it DOES show that there IS an issue with the design and materials used at the firewall....an ongoing issue.

if Subaru doesn't get its act together and fix this kind of ****.....nobody is going to buy their cars
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:16 AM   #24
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I've read of a few of these failures now. All seemed to be using the more rigid of the aftermarket mounts.

Has anyone seen this happen on a stock or group n pitch mount?
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:32 AM   #25
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Just skimmed the post. Do you have upgraded engine and trans mounts? We've said it before. You should do all three at the same time. Engine, Pitch, Trans mounts.

No idea what the durometer is on the BR pitch mounts.
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