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Old 08-28-2020, 08:05 AM   #51
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You aren’t “nasty” to people on here? What a hypocrite. Your post lighting this exchange off is the very definition of what you always do, to many people here, textbook passive aggressive behavior. I guarantee that’s not the first time in your life you’ve heard that either. Some snide remark you try to hit someone with, an insult, and at the same time you point the finger. That makes you a hypocrite. I didn’t insult him. I severely disagreed with what he was trying to pass off as truth. There is a difference.

I said it’s not a performance car. Yet you say “I” like “I” have the entire market cornered for road courses, twisty farm roads, canyons, mountains, etc. That’s laughable. Hey everyone I have the only land to sell next to the tracks, mountains, canyons, andtwisty roads. I’ve got 1-50 acre plots for Ten million bucks an acre!

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Making the case again as usual. And no, I’ve never been labeled as passive aggressive. Direct? To the point? Yes
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What the hell is this? There's no point in calling each other out because we're all always right. It's about perception and perspective. No one's yielding, so everyone argues. Admit this, and move on.

I'll admit something: The next WRX will be a sedan only.
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Old 08-28-2020, 08:56 AM   #53
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I'll admit something: The next WRX will be a sedan only.
I'm with you - even though I want a WRX/STI wagon, we're only going to get sedans in the near future, after that it might be CUVs only if Subaru can't figure out emissions compliance with their AWD system, not to mention that is what sells.
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I'll admit something: The next WRX will be a sedan only.
I was just thinking this morning that if the next WRX/STI is sedan only again, I'll likely spring for the upcoming Toyota GR Hatchback.
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And mashing the pedal in a DCT, or an EV, will never be as engaging as rowing gears, and working for it. Each to their own though.
This we can agree on.

I hope to be able to own both forever. From a RSX 5MT, three WRX 5MT and an STI 6MT, I will always prefer a manual transmission.
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Old 08-28-2020, 11:24 AM   #56
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Making the case again as usual. And no, I’ve never been labeled as passive aggressive. Direct? To the point? Yes
A wagon hating SOB? Yes. But I agree regarding Pre, way outta hand. Between him and Nighthawk, serious cringe factor in here.
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Making the case again as usual. And no, I’ve never been labeled as passive aggressive. Direct? To the point? Yes

The snide remarks, passive aggressive, trying to be the sleuth with your insults, we can just agree to disagree. I do not like you. I wouldn't sit down and have a drink with you if Jesus was pouring it. For the forum, for both of us, neither of us should be quoting either of us. It's just never going to work sweetie. You should just let it go. You aren't "right" any more than I am. It's opinion. Let people speak for themselves without your intervention. Everyone here is a grown up and can speak for themselves. They don't need you or anyone else barking for them. You cranked it up man. Got mad at someone's opinion and think you own the place and you felt the need to intervene. Nah. Just let it go.



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This we can agree on.

I hope to be able to own both forever. From a RSX 5MT, three WRX 5MT and an STI 6MT, I will always prefer a manual transmission.

That's why i said what I said. In my opinion, no EV will ever be a performance car. Mashing the pedal, regenerative braking. It's cool, do it every day, but it cannot and never will replace the engagement from gasoline, a powerful ICE, a 3rd pedal, and the total engagement it provides. I just drove a very fast DCT on Monday and it was as soulless to me as all the fast EV's I've driven. It was I guess a performance car technically but it was just not engaging at all. I'll say your car, is the or one of the best DD's ever made. I'll give it that. It's just a performance car is for performance driving. Twisties, canyons, mountains, track. I don't think we are there yet. New Tesla roadster, infrastructure close to the good roads, and the tracks, new functionality where you can fully recharge it between sessions or full charge in 15 minutes, maybe then. I think we have a bit to go yet.



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SoDealer This user is on your Ignore List.

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Agreed. I do not care if someone doesn't like my opinions. Put me on ignore. Won't hurt my feelings in the slightest. Not all personalities will give, never will. I just tire of the hypocritical nature. He continually tries to do it too. Knows I have him on ignore, then does it anyway. Got some kind of agenda or past slight that can't let go.



This is new WRX/STi thread, not a Tesla thread anyhow. Bring us something other than the sedanigans please! My $ is ready.
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I want a wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, estate, estate, IT'S A SEDAN! SEDAN! oooh it's a SEDAN!! but I want a wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, wagon, estate, estate....
Yes, give me a wagon first-and-foremost; otherwise, give me a nice hatchback.
If all fails, I'll get myself another large RWD sedan with a bigger V8 in the front .

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[...]I'll admit something: The next WRX will be a sedan only.
I hate to admit it, but, yeah, I have the feeling Subaru will stick it to us , hatchback lovers, once again. .

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I was just thinking this morning that if the next WRX/STI is sedan only again, I'll likely spring for the upcoming Toyota GR Hatchback.
At this point, and IMO, almost any other sporty hatchback out there is better than settling for a WRX/STI sedan.
Many won't agree with me, but that's how I feel.

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I do not like you. I wouldn't sit down and have a drink with you if Jesus was pouring it.
That self importance again. The rest of the world doesn't measure the world by Pre. I don't care about you, but I do care about this forum and how some members contribute more poison than sustenance.
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Old 08-28-2020, 07:31 PM   #61
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He said one almost true thing recently. Let's give him a chance.

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So we’re thinking the next gen WRX will come out some time late 2021? Getting the itch to sell my Legacy and get my first WRX but if it’s a little over a year away would probably make sense to wait
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Old 08-28-2020, 11:18 PM   #63
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So we’re thinking the next gen WRX will come out some time late 2021? Getting the itch to sell my Legacy and get my first WRX but if it’s a little over a year away would probably make sense to wait
New WRX is definitely coming as a MY2022 being sold CY2021. Official unveiling will most likely come in November 2020 in Japan. Or they could hold out for NYIAS in the Spring of 2021. They won't go on sale until Summer 2021, most likely.

If rumors are true and STI isn't until late 2022, I'm definitely waiting and saving my money.
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If L2 is the only option then yes, I would be concerned about range in your scenario.

People do track them. I'm not saying it's the next Miata.

I'm just saying Tesla can be part of a particular category, which includes a wide range of models.
this is what people like pre just dont seem to be able to grasp intellectually about high end electric cars like NIO and Tesla entering "performance car" status. They are ABSOLUTELY high performance....all performance cars fall into a category from budget all the way up to exotic. The faster more powerful and better riding responsive electric cars from Tesla and NIO are performance cars. Just because they dont have 6 speeds and open exhaust does not exclude them from their own merits in the performance car Genre. They are more capable than many.

People like pre just arent intellectually capable to understand, or just too egotistically stubborn(ignorant) to let themselves admit it. Ask him what weighs more; a pound of feathers, or a pound of bricks....it will take him a minute but he will light up with enthusiasm when he figures it out. Its the same scenario when he realizes the performance metrics of a fast good riding responsive electric car are the same as a fast good handeling responsive ICE car. I just dont think he can grasp the concept that one is simply a pound of feathers vs a pound of bricks analogy though. But good luck!

The whole range thing is just a quirk of an electric car...totally worth the trade off, and at the end of the day..just be smarter than the car, and you wont run out of juice. ITs called thinking LOL..and even then the car TELLS you how far it can go before running out of battery LOL. Its kind of a no brainer...you dont drive 400 miles if the charge is only good for 350. Just like you dont try and drive 100 miles when you only have gas for 20. LOL.

This goes back to kindergarten, dont try and force square blocks into a round hole LMAO..there are a few in this thread that will argue that though, and blame the manufacturer who made the blocks LMAO!!

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So we're thinking the next gen WRX will come out some time late 2021? Getting the itch to sell my Legacy and get my first WRX but if it's a little over a year away would probably make sense to wait
late "calender year 2022" because of the pandemic supply chain demands and disruptions. The majority will be sold in 2023...so looking like its a 2023 model. 2 more years of the EJ STI are coming first. 2022 is going to be a weird year.

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That date was set prior to the pandemic, if we're talking about the leaked timeline image.
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It's like he's holding out hope his engine isn't going to be immediately unsupported and become obsolete. Clutching to the EJ with his last gasps. Sad.
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New WRX is definitely coming as a MY2022 being sold CY2021. Official unveiling will most likely come in November 2020 in Japan. Or they could hold out for NYIAS in the Spring of 2021. They won't go on sale until Summer 2021, most likely.

If rumors are true and STI isn't until late 2022, I'm definitely waiting and saving my money.
I hope it comes as you have said. That would be a good timming to swap my 2006 WRX for a new WRX. I don't care about the STI.
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That self importance again. The rest of the world doesn't measure the world by Pre. I don't care about you, but I do care about this forum and how some members contribute more poison than sustenance.
One only has to click on your name, spend a couple of hours of reading your past posts and see the regular condescension and ivory tower mentality. It’s why other members have stated they have put you on ignore. You think you are above everyone else. For some reason you think you know more, your OPINION carries more weight, than everyone else. And this forum is yours, and we are all just visitors. This is not true. You aren’t any more important than any member here, and you certainly aren’t any smarter than anyone else here.

Someone said x widget is a “performance” car so I mentioned “performance” driving. That consists of twisties, canyons, mountains, back roads, and the track. Fuel use is high, electricity use is high. Whatever “range” your “performance” car has, well anyone that has any experience doing “performance” driving will tell you that tank is going to go extremely quick, or range is going to be gone extremely fast. If “performance” driving is a driver stomping on the throttle on an on ramp, passing someone on the highway, we’ll just have to disagree on what performance driving is.

Automotive journalism today is a bunch of hacks. Comparison tests done in the dry only. Some track, some lap time. None of it is reality. If it was they’d test said vehicles in all 4 seasons, with appropriate tires and do various driving, canyons, mountains, twisties, in addition to the track. When they do track stuff, especially as it pertains to EV”s, they rarely or don’t list the amount of time they had to charge said vehicle. How little track time they actually got because it is electric. They don’t do it, and show the problems with it in that scenario because it means the mfr may not give them future press vehicles. So they just report the lap time. It’s never even keel, always an agenda, with a root in marketing, and $$$$. I’ve seen one single you-boober talk about this, before his canyon drive of a Tesla or Taycan, forget which it was. And a single canyon run and it’s done. You have to head back home, or stop your entire day and go find a 40 amp or above charger and charge for an hour or many hours. So said performance car doesn’t last long and really doesn’t actually work for performance driving. My opinion, which is all I gave, is that’s not really a performance car. Then there is the weight. If someone makes a new ICE sports or performance car and it weighs 4000 pounds, the forum members, the enthusiasts would bag it. EV, gets a pass. yeah yeah batteries are low in the chassis. It’s still 4000 pounds, sorry, 4100 pounds.

And here we are, you whining like a child, throwing out insults while you claim someone else is insulting. The adults were have a discussion prior to you coming in here and whining, and whining some more. Give it a rest. We shouldn’t have to walk on egg shells. We should be able to speak freely, think out loud, and not suffer repercussions. Let discussion happen. If you can’t handle it then start putting people on ignore or just don’t read it. But quit crying. We don’t need male Karens in the world.
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One only has to click on your name, spend a couple of hours of reading your past posts and see the regular condescension and ivory tower mentality. It’s why other members have stated they have put you on ignore. You think you are above everyone else. For some reason you think you know more, your OPINION carries more weight, than everyone else. And this forum is yours, and we are all just visitors. This is not true. You aren’t any more important than any member here, and you certainly aren’t any smarter than anyone else here.

Someone said x widget is a “performance” car so I mentioned “performance” driving. That consists of twisties, canyons, mountains, back roads, and the track. Fuel use is high, electricity use is high. Whatever “range” your “performance” car has, well anyone that has any experience doing “performance” driving will tell you that tank is going to go extremely quick, or range is going to be gone extremely fast. If “performance” driving is a driver stomping on the throttle on an on ramp, passing someone on the highway, we’ll just have to disagree on what performance driving is.

Automotive journalism today is a bunch of hacks. Comparison tests done in the dry only. Some track, some lap time. None of it is reality. If it was they’d test said vehicles in all 4 seasons, with appropriate tires and do various driving, canyons, mountains, twisties, in addition to the track. When they do track stuff, especially as it pertains to EV”s, they rarely or don’t list the amount of time they had to charge said vehicle. How little track time they actually got because it is electric. They don’t do it, and show the problems with it in that scenario because it means the mfr may not give them future press vehicles. So they just report the lap time. It’s never even keel, always an agenda, with a root in marketing, and $$$$. I’ve seen one single you-boober talk about this, before his canyon drive of a Tesla or Taycan, forget which it was. And a single canyon run and it’s done. You have to head back home, or stop your entire day and go find a 40 amp or above charger and charge for an hour or many hours. So said performance car doesn’t last long and really doesn’t actually work for performance driving. My opinion, which is all I gave, is that’s not really a performance car. Then there is the weight. If someone makes a new ICE sports or performance car and it weighs 4000 pounds, the forum members, the enthusiasts would bag it. EV, gets a pass. yeah yeah batteries are low in the chassis. It’s still 4000 pounds, sorry, 4100 pounds.

And here we are, you whining like a child, throwing out insults while you claim someone else is insulting. The adults were have a discussion prior to you coming in here and whining, and whining some more. Give it a rest. We shouldn’t have to walk on egg shells. We should be able to speak freely, think out loud, and not suffer repercussions. Let discussion happen. If you can’t handle it then start putting people on ignore or just don’t read it. But quit crying. We don’t need male Karens in the world.
Are you still going? You took me off your ignore list just to be upset and go on a rant. Can I go back please? By the way, didn't read what you typed. Don't have the desire to.
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I remember people like Jon n CT that were 90% less obnoxiously nasty to people than Pre and actually contributed substantial content to news and rumors. If people like that didn't make it, I don't know how we got here.
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That's why i said what I said. In my opinion, no EV will ever be a performance car. Mashing the pedal, regenerative braking. It's cool, do it every day, but it cannot and never will replace the engagement from gasoline, a powerful ICE, a 3rd pedal, and the total engagement it provides. I just drove a very fast DCT on Monday and it was as soulless to me as all the fast EV's I've driven. It was I guess a performance car technically but it was just not engaging at all. I'll say your car, is the or one of the best DD's ever made. I'll give it that. It's just a performance car is for performance driving. Twisties, canyons, mountains, track. I don't think we are there yet. New Tesla roadster, infrastructure close to the good roads, and the tracks, new functionality where you can fully recharge it between sessions or full charge in 15 minutes, maybe then. I think we have a bit to go yet.
I hear ya. There's currently a place for both in the world, and hopefully the soul you are looking for can be found in future EVs. I'm also not looking for an appliance. I find Automatics to be extremely boring to drive. I like to clutch and row. Tesla, with the control of one foot driving, helps to bridge the gap for me.

Now, I am very excited for the next WRX/STI. Plan is to have it and the MY in the garage...unless the Evoltis (or whatever) is really compelling.
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