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Old 05-01-2020, 09:43 AM   #51
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tesla cars will always feel heavy because, well they are. If ICE manufacturers add enough weight to make them equally porky to a Tesla, then they are dumb and deserve to go extinct. ICE cars should not be chasing Tesla acceleration numbers. Electric motors inherently have an advantage at 0mph. Screw that. Make the drive an exhilarating, aural euphoric experience . That is something no Tesla will ever be able to do. Play to your strengths.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:41 AM   #52
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Different strokes for different folks but Iíd still take the bmw over a Tesla. Even though they have become heavy and what not, they still have a driving pleasure that I havenít found in a Tesla. Yes, I know the Tesla will out handle and perform it but there still is some, although a lot less than there use to be of that driving experience bmw offers. Although new bmw interior isnít much to brag about, I still think itís better than a Tesla.

Again, different strokes for different folk.
Is there anyway to make these vehicles lighter,without costing a fortune while meeting all the current regulations?
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:20 AM   #53
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most of us were enjoying the weekend, images from what appear to be the official brochure of the new 2021 BMW 4 Series Coupe appeared on the Germancarforum revealing the carís profile and topic-inducing front end with the tall kidney grilles. The brochure also shows the available exterior colors that includes among others, green and orange shades. [Updated 5/31/2020]
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Previously, BMW officially confirmed that the all-new 4-Series Coupe would make its digital premiere this Tuesday, on June 2, 2020. It had attached a darkened teaser of the coupeís front end with the oversized double kidney grille which we had first seen on the Concept 4 last year at the Frankfurt Motor Show.

The large kidney grille design has already been leaked several times, but we reckon it goes way better with an M3 or an M4, as opposed to something like a 420i Coupe. Luckily we donít need to wait too long in order to find out if weíre right or not.




Like the latest 3-Series, the 4-Series is also based on the carmakerís CLAR platform, sharing its entire engine range with its more practical sibling. However, BMW claims that the 4 Seriesí chassis has been tuned to deliver significantly sharper handling characteristics while at the same time, offering ďexcellentĒ comfort levels on everyday drives and long journeys thanks to the double-joint spring strut front axle and five-link rear axle configuration.

Aside from your usual four- and six-cylinder gasoline and diesel units, that will include the M440i xDrive Coupe, powered by a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six cylinder engine rated at 374 PS (369 HP) and featuring 48-volt mild-hybrid technology, the 4-Series Coupe could also get a PHEV version. Then thereís the M4 variant, which will borrow the X3 M and X4 Mís 3.0-liter six-cylinder engine.

As for the 4-Seriesí interior, it will feature the exact same driver-oriented dashboard design and layout as the 3-Series, meaning a dual-screen setup (gauge cluster and infotainment), central air vents and a three-spoke steering wheel. There will of course be less room in the back, seen as how this is a traditional two-door Coupe.

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Old 06-01-2020, 09:23 AM   #54
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Like all big grilles it’s not a thing of beauty and will take a bit of time to get used to. The rest of the lines look pretty good and a blacked out grille may not look too bad. I’m interested in just how quick the M4 will be as the S58 engine is a monster. If it can get a 4500 lb SUV to 0-60 mph in 3.3 seconds and 1/4 mile in 11.6 sec @ 116 mph in a lighter, more aerodynamic car it should get close to sub-3 second 0-60 times.
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:21 PM   #55
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I think 'Audi' when I see the front of that thing...

I don't like thinking 'Audi' when I look at a BMW.
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Old 06-01-2020, 02:18 PM   #56
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It reminds me of an Infiniti, and for some reason the big grill makes me take the car less seriously.
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Old 06-01-2020, 04:22 PM   #57
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It reminds me of an Infiniti, and for some reason the big grill makes me take the car less seriously.
The side profile definitely reminds me of Infiniti. The front reminds me of the pigs from angry birds.
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Old 06-01-2020, 10:57 PM   #58
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Grill marks, bud. That thing will leave good grill marks.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:13 AM   #59
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Rabbit teeth!
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:44 AM   #60
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Id even raise ya to beaver

I cant take it seriously either, cartoonish in a bugs bunny kind of way.

Perhaps the X version SUV will look like elmer fudd?

That id like to see
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Old 06-02-2020, 01:04 AM   #61
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Old 06-02-2020, 07:54 AM   #62
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i always thought the old BMW 850 was the best-looking car they made ... mostly because it has an UNDERSTATED grille.

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Old 06-02-2020, 10:48 AM   #63
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The last picture of that person sitting on the hood and their foot on the wheel pretty much defines the market BMW is trying to hit with this car. The front lights, the grill, the cut outs in the front bumper, side profile, none of these are BMW design traits/signatures. Still ugly as heck #BARF
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:35 AM   #64
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the bitch looks like Sofia Boutella
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Old 06-02-2020, 02:42 PM   #65
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At BMW we get our inspiration from strange places.

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Old 06-02-2020, 02:59 PM   #66
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Old 06-02-2020, 03:16 PM   #67
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Unpopular opinion: I think it looks kinda decent and the grille will grow on me. It certainly looks better in higher res photos:



It looks like the cockpit is driver-oriented (i.e. center console being angled towards driver's seat) which is nice too, even if its just slightly.

The rear profile does look very Infiniti, though. The current 3-series looks like a Lexus IS from the rear. It seems that BMW is confused from behind so they just make their grills bigger and bigger as part of their identity. "Party in the front, don't look at the back!"
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Old 06-02-2020, 04:38 PM   #68
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NEIN to the power of Infinity!
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Old 06-02-2020, 05:42 PM   #69
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I donít like the grill at all, but otherwise itís a really nice looking CAR. It doesnít look like a nice BMW regardless of the grill - weird choice on their part.
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I hated it until I saw this:





https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/new-2021-bmw-4-series-coupe-keeps-a-straight-face-while-wearing-m-performance-parts/

It looks wayyy more aggressive than the old one, less 'you can have it any way you want as long as it's vanilla' , and I think I figured out why it bothers me at all: I can't unsee the 7 series with the cascading waterfall of a ginormous kidney grill that'll swallow pedestrians whole. If I put that out of my mind, I can see this as a necessary cooling/performance need. Almost.
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Old 06-02-2020, 08:20 PM   #71
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...and I gave it a day. NOPE. Still ugly as ****!

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Old 06-02-2020, 09:29 PM   #72
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Nope, still looks like scheisse - perhaps the aftermarket can come to the rescue with a restyled front fascia/body kit that will fix that abortion of a front end.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:20 AM   #73
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They better not do this to the G-series M2s...
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:48 AM   #74
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OK yeah you're right I just glanced at it, and the grill swallowed my gaze whole. Ugh.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:46 PM   #75
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I think the issue is that they changed too much all at once. If you took the badges off, I would have not guessed it was a BMW. Good God, I hope they don't do this to the LCI 8 series.
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