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09-27-2020, 05:16 PM | #751 | |
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09-27-2020, 05:33 PM | #752 |
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That's my point. If you're going to deviate from a checklist based on your system knowledge, you are increasing the variables that will determine the outcome of a situation. You may think your knowledge is sound, but are you really remembering that system correctly? Does the system actually work the way your manual tells you it does? Did they change the system since you learned it? Are you distracting yourself from more critical actions?
I'm all for knowing the airplane inside and out. I also understand the importance of going off-script when the need arises. But if there's a set procedure that applies, I do not see the benefit in willfully deviating from it. |
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09-27-2020, 09:20 PM | #754 |
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Since you’re a nuke, I understand your sentiment. Applying it to aviation is incorrect. Quote:
No one is saying people should be making up procedures on the fly for known emergencies. But blindly following a checklist does not replace systems knowledge. It’s lazy and unfortunately what 121 operators are going towards because training costs money. Checklists get revised ALL THE TIME. We’re always updating emergency procedures. |
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09-28-2020, 02:14 AM | #756 |
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Gotcha. I think we share similar philosophies and I misinterpreted what you had written earlier.
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https://apnews.com/a2461f1a0dfa2d726645c64e2b42a77c
So yeah, a few weeks after the first 737 flight again and we have another crash... |
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Was about to say the same thing. Still probably cast more negative light on the 737 MAX in any case.
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You've got crews up there flying these things that have a couple hundred hours of jet time between the two of them. Everything goes well if the weather's good, nothing breaks, and the A/P is on until just before the flare.
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09-20-2021, 02:52 AM | #764 |
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Spoiler alert: Boeing still blames dumb pilots for the crashes.
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09-20-2021, 03:48 PM | #767 |
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I'll give Frontline the benefit of the doubt. They are one of the few that still go out of their way to present multiple sides of an issue.
But sure, Boeing is going to take that position to the grave, even as their own employees get prosecuted over their roles. |
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Airplanes shouldn't want to crash themselves and not every airline pilot out there is Chesley Sullenberger.
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"Boeing declined to be interviewed for this film."
Yes, I bet they did. |
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The pilots were a factor, but Boeing put in automation without making it clear what it did or how to over-ride it. It's like blaming a guy for stepping on a landmine while holding the map.
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And the automation had single points of failure and was also miscatagorized purposely as to what type of system it was (hazardous vs catastrophic in the system safety analysis). If it was categorized correctly, single points of failure would not be allowed. Redundancy became a paid option.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/failed-certification-faa-missed-safety-issues-in-the-737-max-system-implicated-in-the-lion-air-crash/ There is also a big problem with safety engineering. Most of the people who are good at it and stand their ground vs management are old and dying off. They also tend to be so negative and outraged, that it is hard to communicate with them and find solutions (they flag problems but dont help resolve them). Last edited by Ken-Ohki; 09-21-2021 at 12:19 PM. |
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I didn't realize in one of the flights, the pilot did the right thing (turned off the breakers to the stabilizer/MCAS), and tried to trim it manually with the wheel, but at that point their air speed was too high, so the weren't able to manually turn the wheel.
Then they turned the stabilizer back on, so it nosedived even harder |
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Can someone explain this to me like I am an idiot? |
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